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Lol - I think many of us "got in" at a share price that is 2 splits away - 14 times less from a 2:1 and a 7:1 split. So when you paid $4.00 for a $200 share what does it really matter.

Warren Buffet will only be acquiring more shares, and he was late to the party. He should have been buying much earlier actually but claimed he did not understand "tech". He did understand Campbells Soup however, and big trains and stuff.

Know this - Apple has $80Billion left from it's April $100B buyback declaration. Tomorrow I believe their "blackout period" is finished, so they will then be allowed once again to buyback shares. I think they will! Do you?

I never assume. Let’s see where things are after Q2. :apple:
 
Picked up an XR for one of my mother-in-laws yesterday afternoon. My first real interaction with anything X, other than a few friends with X's that I have just seen in passing.

I was pretty impressed, she upgraded from a 5, yes a 5.

Got to work this morning and a co-worker got a X, or an XS, I didn't ask which it is. Helped him with an issue of it not displaying his email correctly. Now I want one, still holding out an hoping for a good holiday promotion.
 
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Bezels aside.. Looking at the apps most people use most of the time, (iMessage, Safari, IG, WhatsApp, FB, Maps etc) is it even possible for the average consumer to notice a real world performance difference between the cheapest and the most expensive option in Apples current iPhone lineup?

The bang for buck ratio on the iPhone 7 or 8-line is amazing compared to the X-line for most people.
 
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I have no issues buying phones outright every year, however, I dont see the value in newer phones because my older iPhone 7 is still running well. The new phones have incremental advantages, but it’s not worth it at that asking price.

It should be greatly highlighted that iPhones are supported way longer than android counterparts, which will deter new purchases. My iPhone 7 feels as snappy on iOS12 as the day I purchased it. It’s a double-edged sword because of how stellar iOS is on older hardware. This is what will keep me on iOS for the foreseeable future.
 
Time for a small round-up:

STEVE JOBS ERA

iPhone > phenomenal success
iPhone 3G > phenomenal success
iPhone 4 > phenomenal success
iPhone 5 > phenomenal success

BOZO ERA

iPhone 6 > failed design, still semi-successful
iPhone 6s > failed design, for phablet niche market still semi-successful
iPhone SE > phenomenal success
iPhone 7 > failed design without innovation
iPhone 7s > failed design without innovation
iPhone SE refresh > phenomenal success
iPhone 8 > failed design without innovation
iPhone 8s > failed design without innovation
iPhone X > failed design, horrific costs, still semi-successful
iPhone X plus > failed design, horrific costs, for phablet niche market still semi-successful
iPhone Xs > failed design without innovation
iPhone Xs max > failed design without innovation

iPhone XR > failed design, wrong niche phablet market, horrific price




Apple did it all wrong. Tim Cook did it all wrong. Jony Ive did it all wrong.

Jobs early recipe for developing the iPhone was slight enlargement of the display with each version and improving overall design. Cook and Ive did improve nothing. they blatantly blew up the screen size in hope for more cash from the App store. There are people, who want giant phablets, there are even ones, who would love using an iPad pro to make calls.

But the vaaaaaast majority, especially men who don't carry men purses, want a SMALL phone in their front pockets. Easy as that. And screw Your App Store sales, Tim. I am not buying anything until You give me that small phone.


This would have never happened if Apple would not have changed from "Apple Computers Inc" to "Apple soldered computer parts Inc"...


Steve Jobs driving force was not greed but user experience and the sheer beauty of a product.


Steve would have never allowed this.

The vast majority of iPhone users do not want a small device. Where I live at I barely see any SE or smaller devices. I see more Plus iPhones and 6/7/8 size iPhones. Me personally, I hated the small screen iPhones and jumped at the chance to upgrade to increase my screen size. I don’t know how people can continue to use a size 4 inch or smaller screen.
 
i like how people in this forum conflate affordability with value for money. i also like how people say if you have no money, then get the iphone 7 or 8.

That’s not what I was saying, but whatever makes you happy.
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If you read closely, I use the terms “I believe” and “many,” not “there is” and “most.” I am stating my opinion that a crowded stored does not necessarily mean increased sales, which I do not have to prove but that I think many people could agree with (though not necessarily be happy with). I was just pointing out a possibly flawed assumption as I have seen many people walk into many stores without the intention of buying anything. Hell, if I was near an Apple Store right now, I’d go in to see if I could hold one of new iPads. Wouldn’t buy it. I’d be part of the crowd, but not a sale.

You’ll also notice I never resort to name calling because that adds nothing to the discussion other than one person trying to enforce their view upon another by trying to shut them up.

And my first name is not Expert. (Though it’s odd how you know my last name.)

Most of this thread is people saying, “This is how I feel”, “This is what I’ve seen” or “This is what I would do.” in a way that makes them sound like some kind of expert we should all be listening to. Of course they aren’t. Everyone but the rare one or two are totally clueless about what’s going on, because all they have is their infinitely limited experience to call upon.

So, just a standard internet discussion then! But sometimes I get tired of it and just want to see someone throw down more than their unfounded two cents.

Carry on.
 
Time for a small round-up:

STEVE JOBS ERA

iPhone > phenomenal success
iPhone 3G > phenomenal success
iPhone 4 > phenomenal success
iPhone 5 > phenomenal success

BOZO ERA

iPhone 6 > failed design, still semi-successful
iPhone 6s > failed design, for phablet niche market still semi-successful
iPhone SE > phenomenal success
iPhone 7 > failed design without innovation
iPhone 7s > failed design without innovation
iPhone SE refresh > phenomenal success
iPhone 8 > failed design without innovation
iPhone 8s > failed design without innovation
iPhone X > failed design, horrific costs, still semi-successful
iPhone X plus > failed design, horrific costs, for phablet niche market still semi-successful
iPhone Xs > failed design without innovation
iPhone Xs max > failed design without innovation

iPhone XR > failed design, wrong niche phablet market, horrific price

But the vaaaaaast majority, especially men who don't carry men purses, want a SMALL phone in their front pockets. Easy as that. And screw Your App Store sales, Tim. I am not buying anything until You give me that small phone.

even for opinions some of this is wrong.
The phablet niche market??? Haha. The plus sized screen has been the biggest or 2nd biggest seller for the past 4 years. Why is the 6s a failed design? What was wrong with it? Sure there was bendgate with the 6plus, but the s series rectified that. Why didn't you put the iPhone 4 into the failed design category? It's had the biggest failed design of all time for Apple with the antenna problems.

But that didn't fit into your rant. So you like smaller phones, eh?

Most men want a small phone? Who knows, I'm sure you don't and neither do I, but, anecdotally, all the blokes I know want a larger phone so they don't press two keys at once. Using those tiny screens was a PITA with larger hands.
 
A slow crash, followed by a slow burn. We all can see it coming, it's just happening in slow motion.
Lol
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even for opinions some of this is wrong.
The phablet niche market??? Haha. The plus sized screen has been the biggest or 2nd biggest seller for the past 4 years. Why is the 6s a failed design? What was wrong with it? Sure there was bendgate with the 6plus, but the s series rectified that. Why didn't you put the iPhone 4 into the failed design category? It's had the biggest failed design of all time for Apple with the antenna problems.

But that didn't fit into your rant. So you like smaller phones, eh?

Most men want a small phone? Who knows, I'm sure you don't and neither do I, but, anecdotally, all the blokes I know want a larger phone so they don't press two keys at once. Using those tiny screens was a PITA with larger hands.
I agree. Apple is making bigger phones because that’s what the market wants. I tried using my moms old iPhone SE to text coming from a 7Plus into a XS Max, I couldn’t type one sentence. Maybe because I have big hands and long fingers.

Most iPhones I see in the wild are either plus models, or X
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Time for a small round-up:

STEVE JOBS ERA

iPhone > phenomenal success
iPhone 3G > phenomenal success
iPhone 4 > phenomenal success
iPhone 5 > phenomenal success

BOZO ERA

iPhone 6 > failed design, still semi-successful
iPhone 6s > failed design, for phablet niche market still semi-successful
iPhone SE > phenomenal success
iPhone 7 > failed design without innovation
iPhone 7s > failed design without innovation
iPhone SE refresh > phenomenal success
iPhone 8 > failed design without innovation
iPhone 8s > failed design without innovation
iPhone X > failed design, horrific costs, still semi-successful
iPhone X plus > failed design, horrific costs, for phablet niche market still semi-successful
iPhone Xs > failed design without innovation
iPhone Xs max > failed design without innovation

iPhone XR > failed design, wrong niche phablet market, horrific price




Apple did it all wrong. Tim Cook did it all wrong. Jony Ive did it all wrong.

Jobs early recipe for developing the iPhone was slight enlargement of the display with each version and improving overall design. Cook and Ive did improve nothing. they blatantly blew up the screen size in hope for more cash from the App store. There are people, who want giant phablets, there are even ones, who would love using an iPad pro to make calls.

But the vaaaaaast majority, especially men who don't carry men purses, want a SMALL phone in their front pockets. Easy as that. And screw Your App Store sales, Tim. I am not buying anything until You give me that small phone.


This would have never happened if Apple would not have changed from "Apple Computers Inc" to "Apple soldered computer parts Inc"...


Steve Jobs driving force was not greed but user experience and the sheer beauty of a product.


Steve would have never allowed this.
So the iPhone 6 was a failure??? Lmao ok pal.

Apple sold over 100 million iPhone 6’s.

There is no iPhone X Plus either. No iPhone 7S and no iPhone 8S.

Idk where you’re getting these ideas from but you’re waaaayyyyyy off.

And please stop with the “if Steve Jobs was here” crap, no one knows what he would think or how he would design phones as times are always changing. That’s just pure speculation.

Apples sales show that most of the phones you list as a failure as actually a very big success. Did Apple piss in your Cheerios or something???
 
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Problem is theyve been living for Wall Street since Steve died. All they do is try to satisfy investors quarter after quarter.

Steve will never let Wall Street dictate what the company does.

This quarter is a key period since sales of everything have shrunk in terms of volume or units. If they still don't have the next big thing until now, Apple will slowly contract over the next few years .not even the Advent of 5G will save them

No one that followed the legendary Steve Jobs would ever have the combination of clout and charisma to keep Wall Street off Apple's back. Tim Cook has to dance the dance of the CEO - that's just the way it is.
 
My working theory is that cost is one of two issues for consumers. The other is face-id and the lack of a home button/fingerprint sensor. Why else would iPhone 8 sales be boosted?
 
Time for a small round-up:
STEVE JOBS ERA

iPhone > phenomenal success
iPhone 3G > phenomenal success
iPhone 4 > phenomenal success
iPhone 5 > phenomenal success

BOZO ERA

iPhone 6 > failed design, still semi-successful
iPhone 6s > failed design, for phablet niche market still semi-successful
iPhone SE > phenomenal success
iPhone 7 > failed design without innovation
iPhone 7s > failed design without innovation
iPhone SE refresh > phenomenal success
iPhone 8 > failed design without innovation
iPhone 8s > failed design without innovation
iPhone X > failed design, horrific costs, still semi-successful
iPhone X plus > failed design, horrific costs, for phablet niche market still semi-successful
iPhone Xs > failed design without innovation
iPhone Xs max > failed design without innovation

iPhone XR > failed design, wrong niche phablet market, horrific price

lol, where is iPhone 3GS, 4S, 5C, 5S? ))

SE refresh, 7S, 8S, X Plus is in your imagination
 
But Apple has decided to open up the price gap even further by increasing prices on all its products. We will see for how long people will keep buying Apple products. I know I won‘t be buying anything else, but I sure as h... will use every piece of Apple gear until it is truly unusable. No upgrade for a couple of new features at these prices.

I agree, the new mini is proof of that.
 
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lol, where is iPhone 3GS, 4S, 5C, 5S? ))

SE refresh, 7S, 8S, X Plus is in your imagination
It's the beginning of the 2018 all over again!

"iPhone X is doomed!" "Apple shutting down iPhone X production lines!" "iPhone X sales worst ever!"

*sigh*

It is different. The X was the phone for the Apple faithful like myself. We bought it even though we felt it was pricey. The XS and especially XS Max targetted the same demographic. With the XR Apple asks a former flagship price from people who rarely bought a flagship phone. Quite a new experiment.
 
It is different. The X was the phone for the Apple faithful like myself. We bought it even though we felt it was pricey. The XS and especially XS Max targetted the same demographic. With the XR Apple asks a former flagship price from people who rarely bought a flagship phone. Quite a new experiment.

It's not the former flagship price/ It is the same price as the iPhone 8+ last year, except it is much better phone that the 8+.
 
I am not surprised at all (here in India). Been an apple user for a decade and the way apple has been slowly jacking up the price year on year, this was bound to happen. The feature additions are just incremental Vs 10's of thousands increase in price. Prices here have gone up more than double over last couple of years, and discounts offered by online retailers was also curbed, thanks to apples new direction of keeping the brand "premium".

Competition is also catching up and killing the premium market, with better products year on year, and unless apple rethinks its pricing strategy, they are going to lose out big time on phones and even laptops.

Sad to see the brand I love falling into the downward spiral, slow and steady...
 
It's not the former flagship price/ It is the same price as the iPhone 8+ last year, except it is much better phone that the 8+.
It is 20 Dollars under the price of the 7Plus two years ago which was arguably the flagship at the time. In many international markets it is more expensive than the 7 Plus was. The 6s Plus and the 6 Plus were both 749 at release. Before that the new flagship started at an even lower price.
 
The vast majority of iPhone users do not want a small device. Where I live at I barely see any SE or smaller devices. I see more Plus iPhones and 6/7/8 size iPhones. Me personally, I hated the small screen iPhones and jumped at the chance to upgrade to increase my screen size. I don’t know how people can continue to use a size 4 inch or smaller screen.
Well, I use the 8 Plus. Nobody from Apple asked me why. From the statistics it may look like people love big screens, but I think that many people from that category feels the same as me. I'm not using it because I want a huge phone. I want the best battery life possible and all those features that Apple offered with Plus version. It has nothing to do with the love for the bigger screen.
 
Well, I use the 8 Plus. Nobody from Apple asked me why. From the statistics it may look like people love big screens, but I think that many people from that category feels the same as me. I'm not using it because I want a huge phone. I want the best battery life possible and all those features that Apple offered with Plus version. It has nothing to do with the love for the bigger screen.

That’s completely understandable. I upgraded for the screen size, better battery and because the 6/6s/7/8+ size iPhones had things that the 6/6s/7/8 size iPhones did not have.
 
Time for a small round-up:

STEVE JOBS ERA

iPhone > phenomenal success
iPhone 3G > phenomenal success
iPhone 4 > phenomenal success
iPhone 5 > phenomenal success

BOZO ERA

iPhone 6 > failed design, still semi-successful
iPhone 6s > failed design, for phablet niche market still semi-successful
iPhone SE > phenomenal success
iPhone 7 > failed design without innovation
iPhone 7s > failed design without innovation
iPhone SE refresh > phenomenal success
iPhone 8 > failed design without innovation
iPhone 8s > failed design without innovation
iPhone X > failed design, horrific costs, still semi-successful
iPhone X plus > failed design, horrific costs, for phablet niche market still semi-successful
iPhone Xs > failed design without innovation
iPhone Xs max > failed design without innovation

iPhone XR > failed design, wrong niche phablet market, horrific price




Apple did it all wrong. Tim Cook did it all wrong. Jony Ive did it all wrong.

Jobs early recipe for developing the iPhone was slight enlargement of the display with each version and improving overall design. Cook and Ive did improve nothing. they blatantly blew up the screen size in hope for more cash from the App store. There are people, who want giant phablets, there are even ones, who would love using an iPad pro to make calls.

But the vaaaaaast majority, especially men who don't carry men purses, want a SMALL phone in their front pockets. Easy as that. And screw Your App Store sales, Tim. I am not buying anything until You give me that small phone.


This would have never happened if Apple would not have changed from "Apple Computers Inc" to "Apple soldered computer parts Inc"...


Steve Jobs driving force was not greed but user experience and the sheer beauty of a product.


Steve would have never allowed this.
Except you have just made up a lot of 'facts' to justify your point. The iPhone SE did not sell well (compared to other iPhones), while Apple may not have provided numbers, different mobile networks have provided numbers and people don't generally want small phones anymore. You also have phones in your list that don't exist and the latest iPhone models generally sell better than the previous gen. So can't see how you can call any of them failed products.
 
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