Yet, the Xs is the smaller phone between the Xs and Xs Max. It’s all relative. I want a relatively smaller phone than the XR. I’d be happy if it was even just barely smaller than the Xs.
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Nikkei: Apple Told Suppliers to Cancel Plans for Additional iPhone XR Production Lines
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Yet, the Xs is the smaller phone between the Xs and Xs Max. It’s all relative. I want a relatively smaller phone than the XR. I’d be happy if it was even just barely smaller than the Xs.
There’s less demand because people can’t justify upgrading their phone every 2 years anymore with those outrageous prices. $749 is a “budget” model, lmao
Honestly people here are saying that Apple's pricing is what is killing this. But, like most things, I think it's more complicated than that.
First of all, we shouldn't underestimate the people who want the best iPhone possible so they can show off. Personally I only bought it because I'm on the Upgrade Program and have enough disposable income to justify wanting the OLED display, second camera and 3D Touch. But many people just want other people to see that they have something expensive and nice. That drives the mix more towards the XS and raises average selling price.
Second of all, some people are keeping their devices longer than ever now, which lowers volume. There is little incentive to upgrade even every two to three years for a normal person, and iOS is supporting devices that came out five years ago now. The main reason to upgrade is that the battery goes to crap, but even then you can get that replaced at the Apple Store for a lot cheaper. This isn't necessarily because Apple isn't innovating, but more to do with the fact that the platform has matured. It has every feature a reasonable person could need, and most features that someone would want. To add to this, processing workloads haven't been keeping pace with A-series chip development except on maybe the iPad Pro. On the iPhone, we have no need for these crazy fast processors beyond features that they add for AR, machine learning and advanced image processing. But most people don't really care about that as much. Safari is as snappy as can be going back to the 6s and SE, as well as the messaging and social media apps that people spend 90% of their time in. If it's not slowing down there is little reason for the average person to upgrade.
Third I think is the price, which may be a smaller limiting factor on the above groups of people. Users who go to the fancier iPhone every year to show off might not be able to afford it now. Users who don't upgrade very often might wait an extra year seeing that the price of the XR is higher. I think price is important but it's a lesser factor on their decision to not report numbers than the two reasons mentioned above. Their ASP is going up and their volume is going down. They want investors to focus more on the money and less on the numbers, so this is a smart move. Their competitors already do this. Perhaps it's less transparent and makes it more difficult for fanboys of various platforms to argue on the internet, but they have little incentive to continue doing this beyond avoiding one time stock price drop. But it is interesting that they're more uncertain than ever with the new product mix and pricing, and this is especially true with the trade wars kicking off. Worse comes to worse they can always drop prices. They have dropped prices before. But increasingly people are relying on their phone as their primary computing device and among the most important purchases that they make, so I think Apple will be fine.
First of all, we shouldn't underestimate the people who want the best iPhone possible so they can show off. Personally I only bought it because I'm on the Upgrade Program and have enough disposable income to justify wanting the OLED display, second camera and 3D Touch. But many people just want other people to see that they have something expensive and nice. That drives the mix more towards the XS and raises average selling price.
Second of all, some people are keeping their devices longer than ever now, which lowers volume. There is little incentive to upgrade even every two to three years for a normal person, and iOS is supporting devices that came out five years ago now. The main reason to upgrade is that the battery goes to crap, but even then you can get that replaced at the Apple Store for a lot cheaper. This isn't necessarily because Apple isn't innovating, but more to do with the fact that the platform has matured. It has every feature a reasonable person could need, and most features that someone would want. To add to this, processing workloads haven't been keeping pace with A-series chip development except on maybe the iPad Pro. On the iPhone, we have no need for these crazy fast processors beyond features that they add for AR, machine learning and advanced image processing. But most people don't really care about that as much. Safari is as snappy as can be going back to the 6s and SE, as well as the messaging and social media apps that people spend 90% of their time in. If it's not slowing down there is little reason for the average person to upgrade.
Third I think is the price, which may be a smaller limiting factor on the above groups of people. Users who go to the fancier iPhone every year to show off might not be able to afford it now. Users who don't upgrade very often might wait an extra year seeing that the price of the XR is higher. I think price is important but it's a lesser factor on their decision to not report numbers than the two reasons mentioned above. Their ASP is going up and their volume is going down. They want investors to focus more on the money and less on the numbers, so this is a smart move. Their competitors already do this. Perhaps it's less transparent and makes it more difficult for fanboys of various platforms to argue on the internet, but they have little incentive to continue doing this beyond avoiding one time stock price drop. But it is interesting that they're more uncertain than ever with the new product mix and pricing, and this is especially true with the trade wars kicking off. Worse comes to worse they can always drop prices. They have dropped prices before. But increasingly people are relying on their phone as their primary computing device and among the most important purchases that they make, so I think Apple will be fine.
It would be a good idea for India sales it could be argued. But as the middle class grows there, probably India will be like China. Not sure. Maybe something is in the "pipeline"
Problem is theyve been living for Wall Street since Steve died. All they do is try to satisfy investors quarter after quarter.
Steve will never let Wall Street dictate what the company does.
This quarter is a key period since sales of everything have shrunk in terms of volume or units. If they still don't have the next big thing until now, Apple will slowly contract over the next few years .not even the Advent of 5G will save them
Steve will never let Wall Street dictate what the company does.
This quarter is a key period since sales of everything have shrunk in terms of volume or units. If they still don't have the next big thing until now, Apple will slowly contract over the next few years .not even the Advent of 5G will save them
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That is 100% WRONG !
Knowledge is Power !!
What most don't yet know is that AAPL's decision to clam up on future iPhone units wasn't just about a downturn in the units, but ALSO a drastic downturn in the ASP.
There are ONLY so many AAPL Faith Militant (i.e., AAPL Fanboys & Fangirls) who are willing to spend one grand or more on a new iPhone every year or two ! ... many in that category who wanted a XS Max, now have theirs ... the XS had NO chance this year ... too similar to last year's X model.
The XR is the wildcard, but it has a camera memory limitation issue that few on this planet currently know about ... but it will become center-stage by the end of this month ... good (technical) news travels slow these days !
But those who laugh or complain about the high price probably have a cellphone plan that subsidizes their phone. That's why my Auntie gets a "NEW" iPhone 8 this year - an out of date "new" phone from the cellphone company for a hidden overpriced cost. Penny wise, Pound poor.
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i like how people in this forum conflate affordability with value for money. i also like how people say if you have no money, then get the iphone 7 or 8.
Idk, I think the XR is a great phone. My mom went from a 6S+ to a XR due to the XS Max bring so expensive.. She loves it.
I wish I could sound as convincing as you when I make up "facts" out of thin air.
Most of your post is just plain wrong.
Apple has told iPhone assemblers to halt plans for additional production lines dedicated to the iPhone XR, claimed a new report on Monday.
According to sources cited by the Nikkei Asian Review, Apple has informed Taiwanese smartphone manufacturers Foxconn and Pegatron of the cancelation, which the report said signaled "disappointing demand" for Apple's lower cost flagship model, which launched late last month.
Article Link: Nikkei: Apple Told Suppliers to Cancel Plans for Additional iPhone XR Production Lines
"Lower cost flagship model" sure, Apple. I love your stuff, but you axed the SE and essentially I'm priced out of upgrading my iphone at any point in the future so......?
When we can afford it, then we can buy it.
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Amen. The SE was my very first brand new iPhone I was able to afford. I was very much looking forward to being able to upgrade at some point but not with these prices.
I need to upgrade my phone(Tmobile, Samsung Galaxy S6) the battery no longer completely charges and drains fast so I figured maybe its time for a change and buy my very first iPhone..was thinking about the iPhone XR(Tmobile has a promotion would get 250 off the price of the iPhone or any other phone I pick)
Tmobile now offers the XR for 0 dollars, free basically with a $40 a month plan
That would be awesome if they could fit it into an iPhone 7-8 sized body or even smaller. The current one is too big for me.
If you read closely, I use the terms “I believe” and “many,” not “there is” and “most.” I am stating my opinion that a crowded stored does not necessarily mean increased sales, which I do not have to prove but that I think many people could agree with (though not necessarily be happy with). I was just pointing out a possibly flawed assumption as I have seen many people walk into many stores without the intention of buying anything. Hell, if I was near an Apple Store right now, I’d go in to see if I could hold one of new iPads. Wouldn’t buy it. I’d be part of the crowd, but not a sale.
You’ll also notice I never resort to name calling because that adds nothing to the discussion other than one person trying to enforce their view upon another by trying to shut them up.
And my first name is not Expert. (Though it’s odd how you know my last name.)
Im already on a family plan(With my brother in law) went yesterday to the store, he said I would get 250 off the phone(If I ONLY do the monthly payments, if I pay in full Id lose the promotion, which is weird, not sure what tmobile is gaining with no interest but by me paying it off in installments) I did NOT ask that I dont have to change the phone plan I assume right, I just want the phone but keep the same plan we have now..my brother in law just has to authorize me so when I go to the store I just show my ID and I can get the phone
Also The ecosystem is breaking. So many iPhone models and screen resolutions, developers can't keep up developing for SO many screen resolutions!. This will reduce the rate of new apps, which Means weaker interest form developers and eventually weaker interest from us, consumers. Too much Greed and lack of focus is killing Apple...
I think I am also gonna keep my 7plus for a long long time ... iPhone Xs Max should be sold for the price of the Xr ...
You should compare it to the Xs, not the Xr.
Oh common, you really believe that....
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Agreed. I was just thinking last night about how substantial the XR feels in hand. The transition from the 6 to the XR has been quick and easy for me. Happy with the decision to upgrade after waiting for a while. I don't see the iPhone getting cheaper over time and this was the most cost-effective way to upgrade to Apple's most recent design/hardware updates without paying the premium price. I don't understand the "overpriced by $50" argument. Is a $50 price drop really what it would take to entice more potential buyers? And why should we expect a steadily growing company with a responsibility to its shareholders to start offering substantially lower device prices than its competitors just because they are "making enough money" already?
Well, every piece of information we get will be kinda irrelevant, because Apple won't tell us how many of each model they sell. So, we'll never know how much XR or any iPhone flopped.
[doublepost=1541444222][/doublepost]You should compare it to the Xs, not the Xr.
I see it advertised 20 times a day. Why not believe it
Oh common, you really believe that....
Imvho feeling substantial or quite heavy which the Xr is, doesn't equate to feeling premium.
My point is, it's not free, also,T-mobile gets these iPhones at prices below for what you pay, even if they only charge you 10$ for the plan they make money, t-mobile buys them by the millions so they probably get them for $100 (just a wild guess) less.
They still get a few 100$ during the contract period.
*Note: Fix your post please.
There is no market for this phone. If you don´t have money, you cannot even afford an iPhone 8. If you have money, you can pay 749$ for a phone but you could probably pay 999$. Also, I think that there is no place in the lineup, having three display sizes in 0.7 inches... And on top of that, they offer it with different colors which increases the cost of manufacturing / packaging. I though that they learned from the iPhone C...
FMHPOV they should re-think their strategy with iPhone, f.e going for less models but better and cheaper ones (you can assign more resources to them and you have less manufacturing costs).
FMHPOV they should re-think their strategy with iPhone, f.e going for less models but better and cheaper ones (you can assign more resources to them and you have less manufacturing costs).