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Yeah, but you carry a big device that can only play games. People want games on their iPod Touch because it can do much more than just games.

Modern portable game consoles do more than just play games. It's just that their primary function is playing games.

And as I stated earlier, games on an iOS device aren't even close to being in the same league as a DS, 3DS, PSP, or Vita. You're never going get something like Zelda: OoT or GTA Vice City Stories on iOS.
 
Zero chance this is happening.

Look, someone who actually knows what they're talking about instead of making pointless speculation about a company that clearly is fine despite the poor 3DS sales (price drop=increase in sales, trust me).

/runon sentence.
 
the gaming experience on the 3DS is leagues ahead of the iPod touch. If you're really into gaming as I am a touch screen just doesn't cut it. You don't get the same precision as you do with a physical joystick. I've played a variety of iOS games and besides little destractions like Angry Birds, Bejewled, and SimCity, I really don't enjoy gaming on iOS as much.

I'd argue it depends on the type of the game. Many of the most popular titles on the DS will be much better if the developers made good iPad-optimized versions - Final Fantasy, Dragon Quest 8, Phoenix Wright, Trauma Center, Advanced Wars, Professor Layton(probably) etc, will fare better with the larger screen with higher resolution and will do fine with the finger touch IMHO .
 
I'd argue it depends on the type of the game. Many of the most popular titles on the DS will be much better if the developers made good iPad-optimized versions - Final Fantasy, Dragon Quest 8, Phoenix Wright, Trauma Center, Advanced Wars, Professor Layton(probably) etc, will fare better with the larger screen with higher resolution and will do fine with the finger touch IMHO .

Every game you mentioned except Final Fantasy would work on touch. However, they wouldn't be any better on touch, with the possible exception of Phoenix Wright, Trauma Center, and Layton. There are all of those other point-and-click games that would do well.

Problem is people want Gears of War/God of War/Halo/Fallout/Killzone.


I figure Nintendo's response to doing iOS games is:

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Why would you "never" purchase a portable game console? Because you're 34? That would be a silly reason.

I grew up on NES, Game Boy, SNES, N64. I'm nearly 30. Not buying a portable game console because you're a certain age is truly silly and you end up missing out on some fantastic games. Especially the PS Vita. I'd love to have some of the current generation home console titles in portable form. Like Red Dead Redemption and Mortal Kombat. Would definitely pay for that.

It's not the age, silly. I don't wanna buy a another device for playing games. I won't when I'm 35 and I won't when I'm 40 either.

I like Nintendo's games, though.

Oh well... I guess I'll keep my money. Sorry Nintendo... I had fun.
 
Modern portable game consoles do more than just play games. It's just that their primary function is playing games.

And as I stated earlier, games on an iOS device aren't even close to being in the same league as a DS, 3DS, PSP, or Vita. You're never going get something like Zelda: OoT or GTA Vice City Stories on iOS.

never say never but what is true is that IOS games at the moment are pathetic, completely and utterly pathetic.

unless apple improve the graphics vastly on the IOS devices, and come up with a physical control/buttons, then most true gamers will not want to use a touch screen device which, let's be honest, is vastly inferior to use as apposed to physical controls, just like a touch screen key board.
 
never say never but what is true is that IOS games at the moment are pathetic, completely and utterly pathetic.

unless apple improve the graphics vastly on the IOS devices, and come up with a physical control/buttons, then most true gamers will not want to use a touch screen device which, let's be honest, is vastly inferior to use as apposed to physical controls, just like a touch screen key board.

For the graphics part, if it's a non-issue for Nintendo, then it must be a non-issue for Apple too. Not to mention that the current Apple A5 is quite strong already.
 
never say never but what is true is that IOS games at the moment are pathetic, completely and utterly pathetic.

unless apple improve the graphics vastly on the IOS devices, and come up with a physical control/buttons, then most true gamers will not want to use a touch screen device which, let's be honest, is vastly inferior to use as apposed to physical controls, just like a touch screen key board.

Well, whether it is really "utterly pathetic" or not is debatable.

If you compare apples to apples, some heavily touch-based big hits back in the time of the original big DS is not really any better than current iOS games.

The problem is, this market has already been taken by Apple now.

What Nintendo left is the "hardcore gaming" market.... which is hard to define.
 
Modern portable game consoles do more than just play games. It's just that their primary function is playing games.
Like what?
And as I stated earlier, games on an iOS device aren't even close to being in the same league as a DS, 3DS, PSP, or Vita. You're never going get something like Zelda: OoT or GTA Vice City Stories on iOS.
No technical reason why, the CPU & GPU are powerful enough on current generation iOS devices. Nintendo's hardware isn't very powerful (unlike the PS3 or even the X-Box). A D-pad would be nice (an iPad or ATV2 using iPod Touches as dedicated Bluetooth controllers would be something).
 
It's not the age, silly. I don't wanna buy a another device for playing games. I won't when I'm 35 and I won't when I'm 40 either.

I like Nintendo's games, though.

Oh well... I guess I'll keep my money. Sorry Nintendo... I had fun.

Why won't you buy a device specifically for playing games? If you like games, then why not? Makes sense to want the best experience. Not the "casual" and "waste a few minutes with gimmicks before it gets old" experience iOS games provide.

For the graphics part, if it's a non-issue for Nintendo, then it must be a non-issue for Apple too. Not to mention that the current Apple A5 is quite strong already.

Its not the graphics so much as it is controls. Modern GTA games (Chinatown Wars is more of a throwback to the first GTA games) use every single button on a modern controller. No way can you replicate that on iOS devices. Plus on-screen controls for targeting are never as accurate as analog sticks or keyboard+mouse.

Like what?

PSP was browsing the web, playing video, music, etc. years before the first iPhone was announced. 3DS can browse the web, stream netflix, etc.

No technical reason why, the CPU & GPU are powerful enough on current generation iOS devices. Nintendo's hardware isn't very powerful (unlike the PS3 or even the X-Box). A D-pad would be nice (an iPad or ATV2 using iPod Touches as dedicated Bluetooth controllers would be something).

Again, its control issues. An iOS device will never be able to provide the same quality experience a portable console can provide because of the lack of physical controls. Theres no denying that an iPhone 4 could actually run the game GTA Vice City Stories from the PSP. The problem is that there would be no good way to control it. Have you played Gameloft's Miami Vindication? The onscreen controls are useless.
 
Actually, I found Final Fantasy III played surprisingly well on my iPhone. It's not perfect by any means, but it shows that, with a bit of extra time spent on the menus and control scheme, it'd be a near seamless experience.

What? Turn based rpgs do fine on touch screens. In fact the controls can be better cause you don't have to scroll through commands to pick one, just touch the option you wanted/enemy you want it to attack.

You guys are thinking too far back.

I'm not talking about the SNES versions of Final Fantasy. I'm talking about Final Fantasy-to-be. With Square Enix's direction, any future Final Fantasy games will absolutely swallow on a touch screen. Could you imagine trying to fumble through Final Fantasy XIII on an iPad?
 
Well, whether it is really "utterly pathetic" or not is debatable.

If you compare apples to apples, some heavily touch-based big hits back in the time of the original big DS is not really any better than current iOS games.

The problem is, this market has already been taken by Apple now.

What Nintendo left is the "hardcore gaming" market.... which is hard to define.

What do you mean " the market has already been taken by apple"? The mobile phone market? of course not, the app market? of course not, android still have a huge amount of apps and competition, and many apps and games on the IOS platform are also on the Android platform.


the gaming market? haha Apple have about 5 good games, the rest are garbage.

If you think apple, is in any way a threat at this moment, to nintendo, think again.

the only threat nintendo has, in terms of hand held gaming, is sony.

so what market are you talking about?

I'm not saying apple will fail at the hand held gaming market, but there not even in properly yet, If apple turn the ipod touch into a propa gaming machine, that has physical buttons and the backing of various large game developers, then they will be a true threat to nintendo.
 
It might... or....

I grew up on Nintendo... from NES to SNES... and I've kept up with Nintendo's franchises over the years.

But I'm now 34 years old... and I'll never purchase a dedicated portable gaming console.

So I guess Nintendo will get 0% from me....

I'm 32 so I'm only 2 years younger than you. I bought a 3DS because I expect gaming to be more than just tossing birds at pigs 1000 times in a row, or waiting 4 hours for my carrots to be done on a farm that looks so ugly it makes me wonder why they even bothered to put a GPU on my iPad.

For the sake of game quality, I sincerely hope iOS is not the future of gaming. Because Apple doesn't have any vested interest in gaming beyond using it to sell more iPads.

That's pure speculation, but so what if you're right? They cannibalize their own puny platform and gain revenue from the single the largest markets on the planet right now. Also, who says they have to lower the price point? There's no rule that iOS/Android games can't cost $20,$30,$50, it's just that no one is going to pay that much for Angry Birds. I'd pay a lot more than $3 for a Super Mario Bros 3 port.

Well everything in this thread is speculation, including what you said. But I'd speculate that when everyone from EA to Square has had to lower the price on their legacy ports (based off valuable IP) to compete on the iOS market, so would Nintendo. Since iOS has been around for a few years now, I'd think if a dev could actually make money off a $50 iOS game, we would've seen it already. But the reality is you can't expect the iOS market to preserve a $50 price point when it can't even preserve a crappy $0.99 price point. If you haven't noticed, over the past couple years, devs have been migrating to Freemium just to turn a profit.
 
I'm 32 so I'm only 2 years younger than you. I bought a 3DS because I expect gaming to be more than just tossing birds at pigs 1000 times in a row, or waiting 4 hours for my carrots to be done on a farm that looks so ugly it makes me wonder why they even bothered to put a GPU on my iPad.

For the sake of game quality, I sincerely hope iOS is not the future of gaming. Because Apple doesn't have any vested interest in gaming beyond using it to sell more iPads.

I like to have fun... without purchasing and carrying an additional device.

If any company makes a fun game... I will buy it.

I'd like that company to be Nintendo... and I'm not the only one here...
 
most of the people here have no clue of what they are talking about, and in many way sound like a lot of windows user back in the past:

"apple would make a killing releasing OS X for any pc... i've really enjoyed apple operating systems in the past, but i'm not willing to buy a mac... too bad, seems like apple won't see any of my $$$"


1 - satoru iwata, president of nintendo, made the company glorious in the last years thanks to wii and ds. Because of how nintendo still work the only person who can fire him is Yamauchi, no board of investor can do anything about it

2 - because of the 3DS debacle Satoru Iwata cancelled his own bonus for this year, cutted his salary of 50%, and the salary of all the executive of 30%. The man knows what he's doing and many other CEO should learn something from him.

3 - last month NPD showed that this is the worst month for the whole industry in the last 6 years. Still the nintendo DS was the best selling console. In the month of July, seven of the top 10 and 15 of the top 25 best-selling software SKUs play on Nintendo platforms.

4 - the 9th best selling videogame in the US for july 2011 is... guest what? New Super Mario Bros (NDS). Not bad for a software 6 years old, selling still at full price.
Just like apple with it's app store nintendo makes money thanks to royalties for any game sold on his platform.

5 - Following the logic of most of you guys even microsoft and sony should just switch to iOS, because guess what, the company with less financial problems is Nintendo itself (speaking of the gaming department of course). To make a comparison the Xbox 360: 277K units sold this month take into account the free console given when you buy a laptop, so if you have to talk about doom and gloom for nintendo you better expand the concept to all the big 3.

6 - nintendo always makes money out of hardware. they do not sell their hw at a loss.
The only exception was for a brief period the NGC and that didn't kill the company. Stop selling hw would limit the revenue of the company itself. Why don't you ask apple to sell OS X for other hw?

7 - thanks to the numbers apple gave us we know that since the launch of the app store a total of about 1.4 billion dollar was the revenue of the whole thing. take off 30% because of the apple cut, take away all the sw that's not a game, and what you have left is less of what nintendo makes out of a single game. Last year DKCR sold more then 20 million copies WW at a retail price of 50.

8 - you have pretty much the same chances of seeing nintendo doing software for Sony or Microsoft platform as for apple.

9 - Core franchises like zelda and mario would play like **** on a touch screen without a proper controller. Those franchises cost years of development of entire teams. It's not possible to sell those games at the crazy prices of the app store. Satoru Iwata made a speech about how that can endanger gaming like what happend at the end of the atari era, when there was too much sw at low price, no one willing to pay the right price for sw and at the end no one was anymore developing compelling sw.

10 - all the people that bought a DS to play crosswords are probably shifting to cellphones, but the industry lived long before their arrival and will continue after they leave. Those people anyway don't contribute too much with software sales. Core gamers, who want to play a proper game with proper controls won't go anywhere.

11 - you have the same chances of seeing halo for iOS as to see mario.

ps: sorry for my english :)
 
It's not the age, silly. I don't wanna buy a another device for playing games. I won't when I'm 35 and I won't when I'm 40 either.

I like Nintendo's games, though.

Oh well... I guess I'll keep my money. Sorry Nintendo... I had fun.

get a kid. buy him/her a device. use it. case closed.
 
most of the people here have no clue of what they are talking about, and in many way sound like a lot of windows user back in the past:

"apple would make a killing releasing OS X for any pc... i've really enjoyed apple operating systems in the past, but i'm not willing to buy a mac... too bad, seems like apple won't see any of my $$$"


1 - satoru iwata, president of nintendo, made the company glorious in the last years thanks to wii and ds. Because of how nintendo still work the only person who can fire him is Yamauchi, no board of investor can do anything about it

2 - because of the 3DS debacle Satoru Iwata cancelled his own bonus for this year, cutted his salary of 50%, and the salary of all the executive of 30%. The man knows what he's doing and many other CEO should learn something from him.

3 - last month NPD showed that this is the worst month for the whole industry in the last 6 years. Still the nintendo DS was the best selling console. In the month of July, seven of the top 10 and 15 of the top 25 best-selling software SKUs play on Nintendo platforms.

4 - the 9th best selling videogame in the US for july 2011 is... guest what? New Super Mario Bros (NDS). Not bad for a software 6 years old, selling still at full price.
Just like apple with it's app store nintendo makes money thanks to royalties for any game sold on his platform.

5 - Following the logic of most of you guys even microsoft and sony should just switch to iOS, because guess what, the company with less financial problems is Nintendo itself (speaking of the gaming department of course). To make a comparison the Xbox 360: 277K units sold this month take into account the free console given when you buy a laptop, so if you have to talk about doom and gloom for nintendo you better expand the concept to all the big 3.

6 - nintendo always makes money out of hardware. they do not sell their hw at a loss.
The only exception was for a brief period the NGC and that didn't kill the company. Stop selling hw would limit the revenue of the company itself. Why don't you ask apple to sell OS X for other hw?

7 - thanks to the numbers apple gave us we know that since the launch of the app store a total of about 1.4 billion dollar was the revenue of the whole thing. take off 30% because of the apple cut, take away all the sw that's not a game, and what you have left is less of what nintendo makes out of a single game. Last year DKCR sold more then 20 million copies WW at a retail price of 50.

8 - you have pretty much the same chances of seeing nintendo doing software for Sony or Microsoft platform as for apple.

9 - Core franchises like zelda and mario would play like **** on a touch screen without a proper controller. Those franchises cost years of development of entire teams. It's not possible to sell those games at the crazy prices of the app store. Satoru Iwata made a speech about how that can endanger gaming like what happend at the end of the atari era, when there was too much sw at low price, no one willing to pay the right price for sw and at the end no one was anymore developing compelling sw.

10 - all the people that bought a DS to play crosswords are probably shifting to cellphones, but the industry lived long before their arrival and will continue after they leave. Those people anyway don't contribute too much with software sales. Core gamers, who want to play a proper game with proper controls won't go anywhere.

11 - you have the same chances of seeing halo for iOS as to see mario.

ps: sorry for my english :)

A person that at least knows what he's talking about.
 
oh Nintendo...

Well... I feel bad for Nintendo...

They used to have some of the BEST systems. The Super Nintendo was the king of it's time... and the nintendo 64 and gamecube were excellent...

and then... things went downhill...

the wii had potential... but weak hardware and relatively lackluster games (to an extent anyway) killed it's staying power. Also, for me, the controller is TERRIBLY designed. Between my girlfriend and I and our roomate, we have a wii, xbox 360, and ps3... and the wii is rarely used.

If nintendo did put out games (even old one, like snes titles) on ios, they would make a FORTUNE. But I really doubt they'll do that. I hope they make some better systems on the future, I really do. I'd hate to see the demise of nintendo. Supposedly, they will be catering more to "hardcore" gamers with their new system, and that should help. While catering to the family game market is important, neglecting hardcore gamers is a very bad financial move.

And while some people have a hard time defining "hardcore" gamers, I think it's pretty easy: Hardcore gamers = gamers who enjoy playing games a lot (i.e. spend a fair bit of time and money on games) and who also primarily enjoy mature adult oriented games (which basically means good 'ol violent video games... none of that cartoony nonsense... because I'm not 8 years old anymore... although even when I was young I loved intense shooters like Doom... lol).

So hopefully Nintendo can change their luck... but I don't know about that wii U... doesn't seem too promising, but we'll see...
 
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