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Nintendo Faces Investor Pressure to Bring Games to iPhone
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Mario would be really cool on the iPhone. But, I understand that Nintendo needs titles to sell hardware.
I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
I caught your comment before you edited it.
You said "They create their own software to sell more of their own hardware, in a similar way than Apple created OSX to sell their own hardware."
But Nintendo just cut the price of their latest hardware device 40% because no one was buying it.
People are having all sorts of fun on their cell phones these days... the device that's in their pocket all the time.
Is anyone really excited for the next Nintendo DS?
True, Nintendo probably has to change their practices at some point. In my opinion, Nintendo is so stubborn that they won't do that until they are absolutely totally forced to it, and they have no other choice to survive in the business. Maybe when the lifespan of 3DS is ending (in five years or so), they'll consider alternatives.
BTW Sega managed to survive from moving from a HW/SW company to purely SW.
There is space in the market for it though, most Xbox and PS3 games don't tend to be family orientated and to be honest I've always (since the early 90's anyway) had the impression they were targeting that market.
That is a perfect quote.
There is space in the market for it though, most Xbox and PS3 games don't tend to be family orientated and to be honest I've always (since the early 90's anyway) had the impression they were targeting that market.
That is a perfect quote.
Nintendo might as well call the "3DS" the "DS 32X" (Sega fans will get this reference) An improvement? Yeah, sure...worth the money? Not really.
And anyone calling the 3DS a flop really doesn't have a clue.
It sold about 4 million units so far in light of Japan suffering a huge tragedy.
I thought it was rather dumb that that analysts expected the it to sell as well as the DS Lite, because that shows such a huge lack of understanding on their part. Analysts in general seem to be either really myopic, or flat out liars for reasons of greed.
I own a 3DS, and no, my iPad is just not good at all for playing the types of games it does and it will never be, not with Apple keeping it a 'hobbled' device. At least with my ASUS Transformer, I have 2 USB ports via my $150 keyboard attachment
, which allow me to plug in Logitech PS2 and 360 knock offs, which my emulators support and even some Android market titles.
Nintnedo has already supported other platforms in the past. Anyone remember Mario Teaches Typing on the Mac? Recall the dreadful Zelda games on the Philips console?
They've gone that route and the don't need to go there now.
Our society needs to be more patient, this is just getting ridiculous. Speaking of which, I have nothing nice to say about these investors, because they obviously don't know Nintendo's history, which as an investor they should.
It sold about 4 million units so far in light of Japan suffering a huge tragedy.
I thought it was rather dumb that that analysts expected the it to sell as well as the DS Lite, because that shows such a huge lack of understanding on their part. Analysts in general seem to be either really myopic, or flat out liars for reasons of greed.
I own a 3DS, and no, my iPad is just not good at all for playing the types of games it does and it will never be, not with Apple keeping it a 'hobbled' device. At least with my ASUS Transformer, I have 2 USB ports via my $150 keyboard attachment
, which allow me to plug in Logitech PS2 and 360 knock offs, which my emulators support and even some Android market titles.Nintnedo has already supported other platforms in the past. Anyone remember Mario Teaches Typing on the Mac? Recall the dreadful Zelda games on the Philips console?
They've gone that route and the don't need to go there now.
Our society needs to be more patient, this is just getting ridiculous. Speaking of which, I have nothing nice to say about these investors, because they obviously don't know Nintendo's history, which as an investor they should.
32X... wow... takes me back. A buddy of mine had the Sega CD as well.
Who remembers "Night Trap" ?
We don't have to call it a flop... I think Nintendo just admitted it!
Don't forget... it was Nintendo who did the price-cut.
Obviously they did what they had to do.
If Apple got The Beatles, Mario doesn't stand a chance. Only a matter of time. Bring Link and Samus too.
Right so we have the core Nintendo titles, games which rely upon incredibly tight and fluid controls, and you lot seriously want to try playing these on a terrible virtual d-pad?
Nintendo games will never appear on a non Nintendo hardware platform (in before somebody posts the abominations that were the Zelda CDI "games").
People were writing Nintendo's obituary after the Gamecube, and look what happened.. They steamrollered Sony and Microsoft with the Wii. They are one of the most innovative companies around, where they lead others follow.. Analogue control (in mainstream consoles), touch screen gaming, motion control.
These Nintendo are going to release Apple App Store games posts smack of desperation from people who want something meatier than yet another angry birds clone.
Nintendo games will never appear on a non Nintendo hardware platform (in before somebody posts the abominations that were the Zelda CDI "games").
People were writing Nintendo's obituary after the Gamecube, and look what happened.. They steamrollered Sony and Microsoft with the Wii. They are one of the most innovative companies around, where they lead others follow.. Analogue control (in mainstream consoles), touch screen gaming, motion control.
These Nintendo are going to release Apple App Store games posts smack of desperation from people who want something meatier than yet another angry birds clone.
And anyone calling the 3DS a flop really doesn't have a clue.
It sold about 4 million units so far in light of Japan suffering a huge tragedy.
I thought it was rather dumb that that analysts expected the it to sell as well as the DS Lite, because that shows such a huge lack of understanding on their part. Analysts in general seem to be either really myopic, or flat out liars for reasons of greed.
I own a 3DS, and no, my iPad is just not good at all for playing the types of games it does and it will never be, not with Apple keeping it a 'hobbled' device. At least with my ASUS Transformer, I have 2 USB ports via my $150 keyboard attachment
Nintnedo has already supported other platforms in the past. Anyone remember Mario Teaches Typing on the Mac? Recall the dreadful Zelda games on the Philips console?
They've gone that route and the don't need to go there now.
Our society needs to be more patient, this is just getting ridiculous. Speaking of which, I have nothing nice to say about these investors, because they obviously don't know Nintendo's history, which as an investor they should.
The same thing gets said about Nintendo every time they announce or release new hardware. They get slammed with every revelation of features, price and game support. When the DS came out there were cries that two screens would be useless, touch was stupid, Sony would win as they were cooler and not just for kids. The Wii was bound to fail and bankrupt Nintendo, Sony and Microsoft would win the console war and other such ignorant statements.
Nintendo, like Apple, know how to make their products different and enticing but that doesn't make them immune to flops. They aren't likely to change company philosophies because a product doesn't do well, they will just strive to make sure they get it right next time.
Sega's making quite a few horrible games ever since they went SW-only, especially with their core franchises like Sonic. But pointing at them is completely missing the point.
Wasn't it Steve who said "People who are really serious about software should make their own hardware"? And despite what some of the recent "Wii ..." titles might suggest, Nintendo is by far the most serious game creator out there.
If Nintendo were to move to the low-price market of iOS (which Iwata, Nintendo's CEO, has already publicly dismissed), it would force them to reduce the quality of their games, as they are no longer in control of the hardware, (which isn't even made with games in mind) and 2-year+ Development cycles are not really an option when making mobile games. It would also reduce their hardware sales. Even though they might start selling 3DS at a loss now, having a 3DS does make one far more likely to purchase Nintendo software, so selling hardware should always be one of their main objectives.
And the 40 iOS games vs 1 3DS game argument is pathetic. I have maybe 6 games I've played extensively on my iPad (World of Goo, PvZ, Battleheart, Osmos, Infinity Blade and Catan), and 5 on my iPhone (PvZ again, Run!, DoodleJump, Rainbow Unicorn and geometry Wars), and most of these cost anywhere between $2 and $10 (at least when I bought them). I've played a lot of other iOS games, but I wouldn't describe the experience I've had with them as "fun", and nothing compared to games like Super Mario games or Legend of Zelda games.
And trust me, with the price-cut and the inevitable arrival of Mario and Pokémon, the 3DS will sell. Maybe it won't be as huge of a success as the DS or Wii, but it's a well-made device which still has a broad appeal. Heck, it's doing better than the DS was at this point (and it went on to become the best-selling console).
Nintendo will get out of this, they're an innovative company with a lot of brilliant people, great IP's and great products. Just give it some time.
Wasn't it Steve who said "People who are really serious about software should make their own hardware"? And despite what some of the recent "Wii ..." titles might suggest, Nintendo is by far the most serious game creator out there.
If Nintendo were to move to the low-price market of iOS (which Iwata, Nintendo's CEO, has already publicly dismissed), it would force them to reduce the quality of their games, as they are no longer in control of the hardware, (which isn't even made with games in mind) and 2-year+ Development cycles are not really an option when making mobile games. It would also reduce their hardware sales. Even though they might start selling 3DS at a loss now, having a 3DS does make one far more likely to purchase Nintendo software, so selling hardware should always be one of their main objectives.
And the 40 iOS games vs 1 3DS game argument is pathetic. I have maybe 6 games I've played extensively on my iPad (World of Goo, PvZ, Battleheart, Osmos, Infinity Blade and Catan), and 5 on my iPhone (PvZ again, Run!, DoodleJump, Rainbow Unicorn and geometry Wars), and most of these cost anywhere between $2 and $10 (at least when I bought them). I've played a lot of other iOS games, but I wouldn't describe the experience I've had with them as "fun", and nothing compared to games like Super Mario games or Legend of Zelda games.
And trust me, with the price-cut and the inevitable arrival of Mario and Pokémon, the 3DS will sell. Maybe it won't be as huge of a success as the DS or Wii, but it's a well-made device which still has a broad appeal. Heck, it's doing better than the DS was at this point (and it went on to become the best-selling console).
Nintendo will get out of this, they're an innovative company with a lot of brilliant people, great IP's and great products. Just give it some time.
If you think the Vita is anything besides dead on arrival, your fanboy is showing. I'd be VERY surprised if it even sells as many units as the 3DS, let alone matches Sony's hopes.
Been there, done that.
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/875207/
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1038920/
https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/7969294/
We saw this coming two years ago, the writing was on the wall.
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/875207/
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1038920/
https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/7969294/
We saw this coming two years ago, the writing was on the wall.
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Nintendo is hardware company. They use their games solely to drive hardware sales. Going multiplat would be the end of Nintendo, at least the end of them being a huge corporation. In the worst case scenario they will always have time to transform into petite development house making mobile games, no reason to just jump into this category yet without putting up a fight.
Handheld consoles will surely go the way of the pocket digital camera and all the other things incorporated into the smartphone, whereby only the hardcore who need/want top of the range will buy standalone; the general users (Nintendo's audience since the introduction of the Wii) will just use their iPhones. That potentially leaves a place for a powerhouse like the Vita, but I don't see a place for the 3DS.
I'd love Pokemon and Zelda on iPhone! Maybe Apple will buy Nintendo... (that's my solution to everything!)
Edit: I don't necessarily think this will happen this generation, the 3DS and Vita /may/ have a place, if the price is low enough, but I doubt they'll have successors that aren't phones.
I'd love Pokemon and Zelda on iPhone! Maybe Apple will buy Nintendo... (that's my solution to everything!
)Edit: I don't necessarily think this will happen this generation, the 3DS and Vita /may/ have a place, if the price is low enough, but I doubt they'll have successors that aren't phones.
I'm wondering when the big fight's supposed to start. Nintendo had from 2008 to now.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_Nintendo_DS_video_games
Yea so Nintendo are going to give this up to sell cut down horribly controlling phone games.
Plus Nintendo get a nice slice of the pie from any other title released on their platforms. Anyone who seriously thinks they will give all that up to become another 'me too' phone game house churning out derivative titles after a few months development are deluding themselves.
Yea so Nintendo are going to give this up to sell cut down horribly controlling phone games.
Plus Nintendo get a nice slice of the pie from any other title released on their platforms. Anyone who seriously thinks they will give all that up to become another 'me too' phone game house churning out derivative titles after a few months development are deluding themselves.
There was a GameBoy emulator for the Palm OS a few years ago that Nintendo had a cow over. They ended up having either a private investigator or attorney work the then Palm developer community to find who wrote it. Ended up being a developer out of Sweden and they started to send C&D's to any residency they could find for the guy.
Palm could have protected the guy and acted as a liaison to grow their platform. But they caved in to attorneys and not a vision that would have grown the company. But let's stop the Palm missed opportunity dirge.
Nintendo isn't the only one that is seeing an Armageddon on the volume of iOS devices. Sony, Sanyo and other niche houses are very resistent moving their character IP over to a platform they don't control.
Mario Cart would rock on an iPad / iPod Touch / iPhone. I think there is a play alike out there already. But yes, these guys are used to writing their games on their own hardware with a very limited API and definately not in any object oriented language. When their revenue streams thins, things will change but not 'til then. Sega saw the light and are doing fine by that move so it is not like there no big boys on the dance floor.
Palm could have protected the guy and acted as a liaison to grow their platform. But they caved in to attorneys and not a vision that would have grown the company. But let's stop the Palm missed opportunity dirge.
Nintendo isn't the only one that is seeing an Armageddon on the volume of iOS devices. Sony, Sanyo and other niche houses are very resistent moving their character IP over to a platform they don't control.
Mario Cart would rock on an iPad / iPod Touch / iPhone. I think there is a play alike out there already. But yes, these guys are used to writing their games on their own hardware with a very limited API and definately not in any object oriented language. When their revenue streams thins, things will change but not 'til then. Sega saw the light and are doing fine by that move so it is not like there no big boys on the dance floor.
Oops... good point.
Apple wised up and decided to sell their phone subsidized like EVERY other phone.
Does this mean all future handhelds should be $170?
You know what's seriously unsettling?
You people sound exactly like the majority of Windows users, back then when Apple was on the verge of exiting the hardware business. "If you can't beat them, join them"... yeah, that sounds familiar. How hypocritical.
Just like Apple, Nintendo wants to be able to innovate, change the game, like they have done so many times. They can do so much more when they're independent. Why are you so happy about the prospect of seeing them surrender to the market leader and become just another 1$ minigame developer?
I guess most of you have never really been Nintendo followers - otherwise you'd know that the quality of N's games lies in the perfect gameplay, controls, fine tuning. Nintendo develops their hardware with the software in mind, just like Apple! The idea of playing Mario or Zelda on a buttonless smartphone is ridiculous.
When Apple was the underdog, Mac forums like this had kind of a "freedom fighter" spirit... now they're on the winners side, and they find they like it.
Really, how times have changed.
You people sound exactly like the majority of Windows users, back then when Apple was on the verge of exiting the hardware business. "If you can't beat them, join them"... yeah, that sounds familiar. How hypocritical.
Just like Apple, Nintendo wants to be able to innovate, change the game, like they have done so many times. They can do so much more when they're independent. Why are you so happy about the prospect of seeing them surrender to the market leader and become just another 1$ minigame developer?
I guess most of you have never really been Nintendo followers - otherwise you'd know that the quality of N's games lies in the perfect gameplay, controls, fine tuning. Nintendo develops their hardware with the software in mind, just like Apple! The idea of playing Mario or Zelda on a buttonless smartphone is ridiculous.
When Apple was the underdog, Mac forums like this had kind of a "freedom fighter" spirit... now they're on the winners side, and they find they like it.
Really, how times have changed.
That number is fast becoming meaningless. The transition is underway and Nintendo is completely unprepared, stuck on an old paradigm, trying to find excuses to rehash the same old thing.
Sound familiar? MS does it. Until they, too, realize what's going on, but unfortunately get to the party when everyone's already on their way home.
Check out the App Store reviews for some of the "horribly controlling" games for iOS. You're in for quite shock. We're past the stage where touchscreen controls were new and strange. They are now the norm.