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Stick a fork in them, they are done

Nintendo's biggest problem is that they are a company that believes that gamers are only kids from the age of 3 - 18. What Nintendo has failed to grasp is the fact that gamers that used to be 5 that played the NES are now 45, and have disposable income and still enjoy playing games, just not the same games they played when there were 5.

Nintendo is the Fisher Price of game consoles. Like Fisher Price, Nintendo does not make products intended for an adult demographic, however unlike Fisher Price, this is a huge detriment.

If Nintendo thinks their biggest issue is that adult gamers are not aware that Super Mario U exists for the Wii U and think mobile demos are the answer, then this is clearly an arrogant company in complete denial.
 
I think I'm the only gamer in this thread.

Apple has about 10-15 billion dollars in cash right now. Saying they are about to fail over one possible failure of a console is hilarious.
FAIL.

First of all, this thread is about NINTENDO, NOT APPLE. Secondly, Apple has about 150 BILLION in cash right now, not 10-15B.
 
People saying that Apple or anyone is going to just buy Nintendo is very ignorant as to Nintendo's position. First off, though the Wii U is doing poorly, the 3DS is doing amazing. Second of all, Nintendo will go under before they sell out to another company. They're just that stubborn.

The Wii U is having problems, but the company itself is doing just fine. Like Apple, they have a large cash reserve. I believe their market capitalization just eclipsed Sony's a while ago.

However in the last three console cycles this is their second major flop. The Wii is borderline becasue as a WiiFit Box it sold well. The GameCube and now the WiiU have be such a dissonant tone to the market as a whole its becoming questionable if Nintendo really understands what's going on. If they don't then that cash reserve is going to be looking a lot smaller very quickly.

The handheld sales are slowing and will keep slowing as more and more powerful hand-me-downs on the cellphone side flood that space. What the 3DS and Nintendo handhelds have over iOS/Android is generally better quality games. All it would take is a disruptive company to push an equivalent to Nintendo's first party line in that space and take away their one remaining advantage. Depending on how HearthStone does when it comes to iOS, Blizzard could do that, for example. Imagine a Blizzard backed and pushed monster collecting game. A company with an established marketing machine to advertise iOS/Android software.
 
Anyone that thought Nintendo was going to release their games on iOS was seriously kidding themselves.

It'll happen eventually. This tactic won't work as well as they're hoping. Even if it's a subscription streaming service for smartphones that they eventually opt to go for (like Playstation Now), it'd work wonders. Just a matter of time.

They're currently making £0 from the old pokémon games. Just releasing those would be a cash cow!
 
Maybe we live in different regions, but in my neck of the woods the 3DS-es are gathering dust and children are playing with the iPhones or iPads of their parents or their own. My niece has her own iPad and my nephew an iPod Touch and they are not the only ones. Small kids are learning their touchscreen skills on iPads, not on 3DS-es. And we all know how important experiences at young ages are.
This may become a problem in the future. But the 3DS is flying off the shelf at the moment. I'm not saying that Nintendo can keep producing handhelds like this forever, they may have to adjust later, but for now I don't think they have anything to fear from the iPhone or iPad.

It's in many cases not the quality of the games, but the quantity. You wouldn't believe the amount of dog and cat training games my niece has on her iPad. And you are forgetting or not mentioning that iOS has some very engrossing games of near console quality that surpass the 3DS capabilities by far (Infinity Blade, Real Racing 3 etc..).
I agree that the quality vs. quantity ratio on iOS is clearly skewed towards quantity. And I am well aware of the quality games(like I said, I'm a gamer), but I disagree that they surpass anything on the 3DS. I could get into technical details, but long story short, games like Infinity Blade look very good as a static image, but you can't explore in it. The developer simply has to create a non-interactive image around the characters. This requires far less in terms of resources than say, Mario 3d Land. A game like Infinity Blade could easily run on a 3DS (Despite Epic's BS about it not being capable). I just think that the best iPhone game, does not compare favorably to a decent 3DS game. The experience is much worse to me, while that is admittedly different from person to person.

You are right that Nintendo should be smart about its marketing, but this news is a great example that they are shooting blanks.
I'm willing to see how this plays out. I have a love/hate relationship with the company. I love their games so much, that it infuriates me when I see them make terrible business decisions. They seem to really understand that they screwed up with the Wii U. I think they make some better moves in the future.



I didn't say that, but I agree with you. It doesn't have to be a matter of licensing. Nintendo could issue small games on iOS that could serve as gateways or extensions to their established console games. They don't need to sell or license anything. And before you mention Apple's 30% fee: Apple will definitely lower that fee with the pull that Nintendo would create towards iOS through an exclusive agreement.
I agree with most of that, but that's what I imagine they are trying here. I imagine they will have little mobile experiences that draw people into awareness of their much better and fully featured consoles and games.

Touchscreen controls and experiences like the best console games simply doesn't happen. You'll never see experiences like Zelda, or the Last of Us, or Halo (One for all three systems to make everyone happy) on a touchscreen device. It's just not possible.

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FAIL.

First of all, this thread is about NINTENDO, NOT APPLE. Secondly, Apple has about 150 BILLION in cash right now, not 10-15B.

I clearly meant Nintendo. I'll edit the post. Good job with critical thinking though.

You meant to say Nintendo?
Oops. Yes.
 
I agree that the idea of advertising and putting "trial" games on iOS and Android is stupid. I don't believe it'll spur sales of the Wii U. This on its own merit, I think is dumb and won't help Nintendo's position.

From the standpoint of "If it was me", I can understand not wanting to port my own software to other hardware. Nintendo and Mario go hand-in-hand, but I think I'd weigh that very carefully at this point in time.

I think the question to ask is if there will be a paradigm shift in gaming. The processing power of upcoming devices will soon be enough to support most games, controllers are already becoming available, and you can stream games to a TV.

If they believe this is the future, Nintendo should be a front-runner and get their software on iOS/Android ASAP. If they believe that the gaming console will be the future, then they certainly need at least some added features to bring them up to par with xBox and PlayStation. Better/More advertising makes sense although I don't agree with using iOS/Android because I think the general sentiment will be to hold off buying the Wii U because the common expectation will be that a full version will be available on that platform.

Usually if I play a trial game, I expect a full version is available or will be. Think about the early days. What if you could play the first few levels of angry birds and then it said, "to play more levels, buy a console and this game for it". No effin way.
 
Wow

This is about the dumbest possible thing they could announce along these lines... which is not at all that surprising actually.
 
Idiots. Do these Executives even talk to their kids? How do they not know how completely futile this is? Just use the awesome hardware that already exists, and put your software on it.

Trouble is, so far iOS control methods are rubbish for "proper" games.
The lack the accuracy and control of physical controls

Of course Apple could fix this in an instant.
They have had since the iPhone 1st came out to do this, but they have not.
 
You can't blame them for valiantly defending their platform, but they're out of touch with reality. For their sake, I hope I'm wrong, but I believe this strategy will miss the mark for the simple reason that the gaming 'landscape' has changed. People aren't likely to go out and buy a new gaming console, because they see a, what has to be less than perfect, demo on their smartphone.

Die-hard gamers are always going to prefer dedicated consoles. However I'm suspecting even the big players like Sony and MS are feeling the pinch of the casual gamer's shift to smartphones.
 
Good for them.

Trying to play any serious game like those that are found on an actual gaming handheld or console is a chore. A game like Mario or Zelda wouldn't be as enjoyable or playable as it is on a proper gaming device. I could only imagine people playing a demo on a phone or tablet when the actual game would be different due to it being a 3DS or Wii U title. Nintendo just needs to focus on getting bigger titles to the Wii-U and keeping up with the 3DS. With Monster Hunter 4 coming to the 3DS, sales are not going to be a problem for the 3DS.
 
People saying that Apple or anyone is going to just buy Nintendo is very ignorant as to Nintendo's position. First off, though the Wii U is doing poorly, the 3DS is doing amazing.

Everyone keeps reiterating this, but I haven't seen any proof. Is anyone able to show me a chart that shows an increase in 3DS sales that continues up to last year? The 3DS is in need of a refresh or a follow-up.

The Wii U is having problems, but the company itself is doing just fine. Like Apple, they have a large cash reserve. I believe their market capitalization just eclipsed Sony's a while ago.

Sorry, but that is some really bad economics here. First a large cash reserve can still mean you are in trouble. A big pile of cash will quickly disappear when your market is drying up (not that it is that extreme here, but look at what happened to Blackberry). Investors look at market potential, not at cash pile. Look at Apple's share price that is currently decreasing. The increasing pile of cash isn't impressing anyone anymore.

A comparison to Sony doesn't make sense. they are completely different companies and Sony is just decreasing in value faster than Nintendo. It says nothing about Nintendo's market potential or future perspectives.
 
Idiots. Do these Executives even talk to their kids? How do they not know how completely futile this is? Just use the awesome hardware that already exists, and put your software on it.

They probably do have kids, but their kids probably all have 3DS's, just like tons of other kids. They are actually popular, you know.

Their main concern is probably: But why don't people want the WiiU?
 
This may become a problem in the future. But the 3DS is flying off the shelf at the moment. I'm not saying that Nintendo can keep producing handhelds like this forever, they may have to adjust later, but for now I don't think they have anything to fear from the iPhone or iPad.

Can you show us some proof that it is flying off the shelves? I have looked at figures but these only reach until 2012. The 3DS is becoming long in the tooth.

A good strategist (and I hope some are working at Nintendo or that they will get some external ones) would say that doing well now is not good enough. You need to be at the top of the market, and Nintendo is nowhere: it is not in sync with Sony and Microsoft, losing out on the big console refresh wave. And the last 3DS refresh was more than a year ago.

To be relevant in the future, Nintendo needs to move NOW. It might be doing this without all of us knowing, working on a next gen console or new experience. But something tells me we are going to see Mario Kart XX and Zelda XX without a REALLY significant development in the next product phase.
 
Can you show us some proof that it is flying off the shelves? I have looked at figures but these only reach until 2012. The 3DS is becoming long in the tooth.

A good strategist (and I hope some are working at Nintendo or that they will get some external ones) would say that doing well now is not good enough. You need to be at the top of the market, and Nintendo is nowhere: it is not in sync with Sony and Microsoft, losing out on the big console refresh wave. And the last 3DS refresh was more than a year ago.

To be relevant in the future, Nintendo needs to move NOW. It might be doing this without all of us knowing, working on a next gen console or new experience. But something tells me we are going to see Mario Kart XX and Zelda XX without a REALLY significant development in the next product phase.
http://www.joystiq.com/2013/05/16/nintendo-3ds-software-sales-up-52-year-on-year-in-us/

Closest thing I could find right now for growth. But like I said, it sold 13.5 million units in 2013. That's more than any other console in the year.
 
What is with all the Nintendo hate on this site? Seriously doubt many of the people in this thread are gamers. It doesn't make sense to put Mario and Zelda on a smartphone, no matter how much you want it to happen. iOS devices cannot offer an experience similar to the 3DS (lack of buttons for one).

The Wii U has not sold well at all so far and Nintendo seriously need to do a U-turn NOW on it, but the 3DS has recovered from its slow start and has a good library of games right now. Nintendo are no where near going down the drain and I don't know where most people seem to be getting that idea from.

I think this is a good strategy in respect to mobile devices, and what I expected. Maybe a Nintendo Network app would be good as well.
 
Can you show us some proof that it is flying off the shelves? I have looked at figures but these only reach until 2012. The 3DS is becoming long in the tooth.

http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/library/historical_data/pdf/consolidated_sales_e1309.pdf

Nintendo's fine when it comes the 3DS. 35M units sold in 3 years

The Wii U is where they need to put in work. Less than 5M units in 1 year

Also, iOS games are like the $5 games that Fry's used to sell in the bargain bins, you know the ones that came in cardboard sleeves instead of boxes. Basically they're budget junk.

And AppAnnie is a mobile analytics company like Flurry that makes $$$ when developers sign up for premium services. Of course they're gonna paint a rosy picture about the mobile market, that's part of their marketing pitch
 
This idea is a bit rubbish. Demo's a pointless and as many stated, it won't make you rush out and buy a nintendo machine.

Their days are limited - they do not have the money or resources to compete with Sony or Microsoft. They don't even have the facilities to produce both handhelds and consoles at the same time - they run it in batches. The factory will operate for say 3 months producing the DS and then it stops, the assembly lines/equipment are changed and they produce Wii's!

I know why they don't want to give up the fight (pride, fear of it being a flop) but unfortunately it's necessary. Even if they just put their back catalogue on iOS/android and kept their new games for the DS, that would be better than what they have suggested :-/
 
Everyone keeps reiterating this, but I haven't seen any proof. Is anyone able to show me a chart that shows an increase in 3DS sales that continues up to last year? The 3DS is in need of a refresh or a follow-up.



Sorry, but that is some really bad economics here. First a large cash reserve can still mean you are in trouble. A big pile of cash will quickly disappear when your market is drying up (not that it is that extreme here, but look at what happened to Blackberry). Investors look at market potential, not at cash pile. Look at Apple's share price that is currently decreasing. The increasing pile of cash isn't impressing anyone anymore.

A comparison to Sony doesn't make sense. they are completely different companies and Sony is just decreasing in value faster than Nintendo. It says nothing about Nintendo's market potential or future perspectives.

http://www.polygon.com/2014/1/10/5294810/nintendo-3ds-game-sales-up-45-percent-in-2013
 
What is with all the Nintendo hate on this site? Seriously doubt many of the people in this thread are gamers. It doesn't make sense to put Mario and Zelda on a smartphone, no matter how much you want it to happen. iOS devices cannot offer an experience similar to the 3DS (lack of buttons for one).

The Wii U has not sold well at all so far and Nintendo seriously need to do a U-turn NOW on it, but the 3DS has recovered from its slow start and has a good library of games right now. Nintendo are no where near going down the drain and I don't know where most people seem to be getting that idea from.

I think this is a good strategy in respect to mobile devices, and what I expected. Maybe a Nintendo Network app would be good as well.

Maybe they could make Nintendo licensed games available to all platforms including the PC like Sega did...I would totally buy Mario Kart on Steam, or Zelda stuff on DVD and run it with a controller.
 
1. 3DS Developer kit and app submission process like the iOS App Store.
2. iOS companion apps like a Pokedex app that can communicate with 3DS game
3. Low cost game specific hardware, a Chromecast or Apple TV sized device with a NES controller that plays specific titles like Mario 1 2 and 3 or the original Zelda series. Let people legally obtain these great games without having to depend on 20 year old hardware or emulators or a $169-$299 device. I have seen Sega devices that have tons of built in Genesis games for $40 and the Atari Flashback systems that are a simple fun way to play the old games.

I can't see Apple ever purchasing Nintendo and if they did Apple would just incorporate the patents and close it down. And as far as hardware is concerned, the Dreamcast was an amazing system but it didn't save Sega.
 
I'll never get why so many people want to see Nintendo fail. They're a great company with great products, who just have made quite a few missteps this current generation. The 3DS was the best selling console the last year, and the Wii U is a very good console with some amazing games, but it's just not got much mass market appeal, and maybe it never will. (The GameCube had the same problem) I played it today with my brother, and he didn't even realise that there was a successor to the Wii. It's great that the Xbox One and PS4 are selling so well, and just because they succeed doesn't mean that Nintendo has to fail. As long as they make great products I will continue to spend my money on them. They're not doing great at the moment, but I have more faith in them than a lot of companies. (Also, people were writing the 3DS off a year ago, and just look at it now). /rant
 
What's with all the negativity? Didn't most of us grow up on Nintendo? At 31 I cannot be the oldest person here. I now love playing Wii with my kids. I don't want Donkey Kong on iOS. I applaud Nintendo for keeping it simple (you still can't even play a DVD/blu ray on it). I like that. I don't know much about the Wii U but I'm sure I'll plunk down for it sooner or later and we will love it.

I would also download a Nintendo app for previews.
 
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