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Re: Quark is not that essential
I only do editing and all layout for three small, b & w [gray scale] tabloids, a weekly, monthly, and quarterly. not a 'bigtime' person.
But i tried ID recently,after loading my working fonts ito suitcase and popping the Suitcase extension into ID and my most recent doc opened in Jaguar/ID without a hitch. Our printer says they don't 'do' adobe. But they take pdf files from quark. i have been sending up straight Quark docs.
Quark 5.0.1 does not really 'run great', as someone said, in "Classic", no way. ( I was getting screen-only colored streaks, vertically, that were the same color as my OS 9 'highlight' color!!!)... It runs better than 4.0.1 in OS 9 though, but not good enough. I'm curious to try sending an Adobe pdf from ID to our printer to see what happens. Unfortunatrely, i am NOT an Illustrator whiz, so the learning curve is steeper than it would be for most. it's spooky, i don't call the shots on who does our printing... keepin' my fingers crossed...
I only do editing and all layout for three small, b & w [gray scale] tabloids, a weekly, monthly, and quarterly. not a 'bigtime' person.
But i tried ID recently,after loading my working fonts ito suitcase and popping the Suitcase extension into ID and my most recent doc opened in Jaguar/ID without a hitch. Our printer says they don't 'do' adobe. But they take pdf files from quark. i have been sending up straight Quark docs.
Quark 5.0.1 does not really 'run great', as someone said, in "Classic", no way. ( I was getting screen-only colored streaks, vertically, that were the same color as my OS 9 'highlight' color!!!)... It runs better than 4.0.1 in OS 9 though, but not good enough. I'm curious to try sending an Adobe pdf from ID to our printer to see what happens. Unfortunatrely, i am NOT an Illustrator whiz, so the learning curve is steeper than it would be for most. it's spooky, i don't call the shots on who does our printing... keepin' my fingers crossed...
Foocha
macrumors 6502a
I have worked with a lot of professional artwork studios, and it has always been my obeservation that they are locked-in to the Mac platform, and that they would not migrate to Windows unless there really was no alternative.
There are 3 reasons for this:
1. Inertia The publishing industry is notoriously slow to embrace change.
2. Hardware investment Since Mac & PC hardware are incompatible, a migration to Windows would represent a significant write off
3. Lack of technical expertise Mac studios lack the technical competance to handle higher maintenance PC hardware (Macs are an integrated solution that tend to look after themselves)
The question is this: is the industry more locked-in to the Mac, or more locked-in to QuarkXpress. Given that an extremely competent alternative is now available from Adobe - a name highly regarded by the publishing industry, I suspect that they're more likely to switch to InDesign on Mac.
Quark should give up blowing off steam, and start working on improving their lame product!
There are 3 reasons for this:
1. Inertia The publishing industry is notoriously slow to embrace change.
2. Hardware investment Since Mac & PC hardware are incompatible, a migration to Windows would represent a significant write off
3. Lack of technical expertise Mac studios lack the technical competance to handle higher maintenance PC hardware (Macs are an integrated solution that tend to look after themselves)
The question is this: is the industry more locked-in to the Mac, or more locked-in to QuarkXpress. Given that an extremely competent alternative is now available from Adobe - a name highly regarded by the publishing industry, I suspect that they're more likely to switch to InDesign on Mac.
Quark should give up blowing off steam, and start working on improving their lame product!
Not necessarily the horse's MOUTH
It might sound better, but it doesn't actually deny any of the details of the report - just spins them prettier.
The Quark rep still says Macs are diminishing in importance in the publishing market and that they won't be part of Quark's server strategy. He also tacitly acknowledges that Ebrahimi made the statements quoted in the column.
Aside from prose style, what's substantially different between this statement and the account of Ebrahimi's remarks?
It might sound better, but it doesn't actually deny any of the details of the report - just spins them prettier.
The Quark rep still says Macs are diminishing in importance in the publishing market and that they won't be part of Quark's server strategy. He also tacitly acknowledges that Ebrahimi made the statements quoted in the column.
Aside from prose style, what's substantially different between this statement and the account of Ebrahimi's remarks?
Be careful if you switch...
If you DO decide to dump Quark and move to InDesign, BE CAREFUL...there is one little detail you probably have not thought of.
Since you no longer need Quark, you'll be tempted to sell it...before you do, READ THE EULA.
I don't know if it's still the case, but I know someone who owns a consignment store for computers and software, and one time they got in Quark to sell, from someone getting out of the business...when the buyer attempted to transfer ownership, Quark's lawyers threatened the buyer, the seller, and the store with a lawsuit, if the sale went through. Apparently, when you buy Quark, you buy it for life!
Just ask before you get into hot water!
If you DO decide to dump Quark and move to InDesign, BE CAREFUL...there is one little detail you probably have not thought of.
Since you no longer need Quark, you'll be tempted to sell it...before you do, READ THE EULA.
I don't know if it's still the case, but I know someone who owns a consignment store for computers and software, and one time they got in Quark to sell, from someone getting out of the business...when the buyer attempted to transfer ownership, Quark's lawyers threatened the buyer, the seller, and the store with a lawsuit, if the sale went through. Apparently, when you buy Quark, you buy it for life!
Just ask before you get into hot water!
Quark for OS X? I don't think so.
Crazy Fred hates the idea of having to recode Quark for OS X. I work with someone that left Quark a little while ago. They went to California to work with Apple on OS X when the got back Fred had them start in again on Windows work. The code was never even integrated.
Quark is killing their US work force and going overseas for programming, Fred is all about the bottom line dollar and thinks he can get more money if everybody moves to using Windows. They dont care about Mac no matter how their PR department spins it. Quark was supposed to be out at the start of this year, then the end of this year, now next. People get a clue if Xpress may never get released of OS X and if it does expect it to be a pile of crap because the team developing it is being jerk around by Crazy Fred.
Go with a product and a company that has proven they care about their customers. If there are things missing in Indesign then submit lots of feed back. Adobe will listen, it might take a while but you'll get the features before Quark is up and running on OS X.
Crazy Fred hates the idea of having to recode Quark for OS X. I work with someone that left Quark a little while ago. They went to California to work with Apple on OS X when the got back Fred had them start in again on Windows work. The code was never even integrated.
Quark is killing their US work force and going overseas for programming, Fred is all about the bottom line dollar and thinks he can get more money if everybody moves to using Windows. They dont care about Mac no matter how their PR department spins it. Quark was supposed to be out at the start of this year, then the end of this year, now next. People get a clue if Xpress may never get released of OS X and if it does expect it to be a pile of crap because the team developing it is being jerk around by Crazy Fred.
Go with a product and a company that has proven they care about their customers. If there are things missing in Indesign then submit lots of feed back. Adobe will listen, it might take a while but you'll get the features before Quark is up and running on OS X.
Stick a fork in your Quark - it's done!
Um, anybody else find this letter from Quark totally unconvincing?
"Quark is not shifting its focus away from the Mac platform. We'll develop software for Mac OS and Windows as our customers want to use those platforms."
- That's gotta be one of the top candidates for corporate backpedaling and noncommital.
"The fact of the matter is that the publishing industry is hurting. Publishing is in a crisis."
- Um, hello? The whole freakin' economy has been in the gutter for almost two years. Deal with it.
"With respect to Mac OS, our market data indicates that fewer publishers are purchasing Macs, and more of our Mac-using customers are considering switching to Windows."
- Like I said before, those "alleged traitors" dumb/cheap enough to switch to Windoze deserve what they get - agony.
"The Mac OS X version of QuarkXPress is far along in its development cycle, but there is still a lot more testing to do before we release it."
- I didn't hear a release date... did you?
"In fact, the relationship between Quark and Apple is closer than it has been in years..."
- And what does Apple think of the relationship?
Anybody else find it interesting that there's no name on this letter?
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InDesign is IN!
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Um, anybody else find this letter from Quark totally unconvincing?
"Quark is not shifting its focus away from the Mac platform. We'll develop software for Mac OS and Windows as our customers want to use those platforms."
- That's gotta be one of the top candidates for corporate backpedaling and noncommital.
"The fact of the matter is that the publishing industry is hurting. Publishing is in a crisis."
- Um, hello? The whole freakin' economy has been in the gutter for almost two years. Deal with it.
"With respect to Mac OS, our market data indicates that fewer publishers are purchasing Macs, and more of our Mac-using customers are considering switching to Windows."
- Like I said before, those "alleged traitors" dumb/cheap enough to switch to Windoze deserve what they get - agony.
"The Mac OS X version of QuarkXPress is far along in its development cycle, but there is still a lot more testing to do before we release it."
- I didn't hear a release date... did you?
"In fact, the relationship between Quark and Apple is closer than it has been in years..."
- And what does Apple think of the relationship?
Anybody else find it interesting that there's no name on this letter?
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InDesign is IN!
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fire extinguisher
e-coli,
Please don't misinterpret my Quark-bashing - I didn't mean to imply that you were disseminating fictitious correspondence - just smacking Quark...
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But now that we have the putz's name and phone numbers... who's up for some prank calling?
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e-coli,
Please don't misinterpret my Quark-bashing - I didn't mean to imply that you were disseminating fictitious correspondence - just smacking Quark...
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But now that we have the putz's name and phone numbers... who's up for some prank calling?
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lmalave
macrumors 68000
Re: Re: Stick a fork in your Quark - it's done!
Yes, but the official version is not out yet, only the Developers Release:
http://www.oracle.com/start/apple/intro.html?src=1439096&Act=5
Yes, but the official version is not out yet, only the Developers Release:
http://www.oracle.com/start/apple/intro.html?src=1439096&Act=5
Mac studios lack the technical competence? Exsqueeze me? What did you smoke before you typed that? How about Windoze developers lack the technical competence to develop a system that works properly. To quote from Apple's website December of 1999 "We may not get everything right but at least we knew the millennium was going to end". Can anyone say Y2K? Hell Windoze engineers lack the technical expertise to fix that garbage they call a system but if there was anyone who know (and love) their computers I'd say it was Mac techies.
Foocha
macrumors 6502a
Of course it's a good thing that Macs are easier to administrate than PCs. My point is that I'm not sure most design studios would find it as easy to administrate a Windows network.
After all, Apple's whole marketing strategy is based on the concept of "it's easier on a Mac," right?
After all, Apple's whole marketing strategy is based on the concept of "it's easier on a Mac," right?
There is tons of work done every day with Quark, that is not particularly design heavy, and not only are these customers Quarks bread and butter (Perhaps more so than a graphic designer), but they have editorial staffs that want to merge their PCs into the work flow. These customers are called Newspapers. Their writing staff is using PCs. Often the drones in the classified department are using PCs. Many of the editors are using PCs, and a lot of the past editorial content is in a database that is running in Windows. The compositing, illustration, and display advertising may swear by their Macs, but they are a small piece of the pie, as the daily business is run.
Since Quark can't seem to get anything ready for OS X, they are probably going to concentrate their efforts toward their PC customers. They do not have to fight InDesign users on the PC side, merely Pagemaker users, which they can easily overthrow.
Foocha
macrumors 6502a
Most of the newspapers using PCs migrated to NT during Apple's long, dark tea-time of the soul in the late nineties when most people in the industry believed that the Mac platform had come to the end of the line.
Those companies who were first to jump ship incurred significant costs in the process - typically substantially more than they had anticipated. Since the costs of switching back would be equally prohibative, I suspect they'll now stick with what they've got. However, newspapers that still use the Mac (like The Guardian in London, for example) are planning to stick with it and getting ready to migrate to OS X.
Those companies who were first to jump ship incurred significant costs in the process - typically substantially more than they had anticipated. Since the costs of switching back would be equally prohibative, I suspect they'll now stick with what they've got. However, newspapers that still use the Mac (like The Guardian in London, for example) are planning to stick with it and getting ready to migrate to OS X.
Re: What real world are YOU guys from?
Finally...a voice of reason that seems to know what he's talking about. XPress users are all over the publishing world, regardless of platform, though college campus influence has many of them edging over to the Mac side of the fence. Mac fans, designers or not, need Quark, even if you love your ID2. If FCP had no Avid, Premiere or (fill in the blank), then lack of competition breeds things like Micro$oft, no?
And, I think we all can agree that we don't want that, now do we?
Finally...a voice of reason that seems to know what he's talking about. XPress users are all over the publishing world, regardless of platform, though college campus influence has many of them edging over to the Mac side of the fence. Mac fans, designers or not, need Quark, even if you love your ID2. If FCP had no Avid, Premiere or (fill in the blank), then lack of competition breeds things like Micro$oft, no?
And, I think we all can agree that we don't want that, now do we?
Quark and Apple both do things that are screwy
Look Guys! The truth is both Apple and Quark keep doing things that are screwy and piss people off. Crappy upgrade programs. Making unsightly comments that gets out and pisses people off. Apple for one keeps infuriating retailers and service providers with their ever changing programs and rules. Not always offering price protection for products just made obsolete by Macworld announcements or so forth. Not allowing returns of defective equipment that crowd up the warehouses. They make service providers upset by constantly changing warranty reinbursement coverage and by not providing reimbursement on parts that come DOA. I can't name everything in this board because it would take too long. Let us not forget the .Mac anger that came out.
Quark's CEO makes dumb comments and the company comes off with a really bad attitude all the time. I remember when I first went to the Quark both about reseller information and support....and etc because I wanted to get some sales training on how to sell Quark and maybe get a copy of Quark to become more familiar with it. The guy said to me, "We at Quark don't offer resellers salesman training and etc because we are Quark and we are professional. You wouldn't know anything about our customers." "We don't really do business with your kind." Boy that really pissed me off! I wanted to say to him, "Hey, Jerkoff, I am trying to get better about understanding your product so I can sell more copies of it. I already sell like 20 copies a week, and I think I could do better if I got a bit more support." I worked in Boston where there was a lot of graphics shops and etc. I knew my customers were asking me more about Quark Xpress; but since all the information I had was from Apple, I really couldn't help them much. I felt really belittled and Quark came off as snobbish. Well guess what Quark? I don't push your product anymore......I push Adobe Indesign.....at least Adobe provides trials, seminars, a vendor rep, information, and pays a little attention to the retail sales people. What do you do?.......oh let's see piss off the people who made you a profitable business. Make a rear of yourself and throw stupid tantrums. Oh, and you piss of the very same people who could help you get more product out.....real smart Quark!
Just my 2cents on this subject
Look Guys! The truth is both Apple and Quark keep doing things that are screwy and piss people off. Crappy upgrade programs. Making unsightly comments that gets out and pisses people off. Apple for one keeps infuriating retailers and service providers with their ever changing programs and rules. Not always offering price protection for products just made obsolete by Macworld announcements or so forth. Not allowing returns of defective equipment that crowd up the warehouses. They make service providers upset by constantly changing warranty reinbursement coverage and by not providing reimbursement on parts that come DOA. I can't name everything in this board because it would take too long. Let us not forget the .Mac anger that came out.
Quark's CEO makes dumb comments and the company comes off with a really bad attitude all the time. I remember when I first went to the Quark both about reseller information and support....and etc because I wanted to get some sales training on how to sell Quark and maybe get a copy of Quark to become more familiar with it. The guy said to me, "We at Quark don't offer resellers salesman training and etc because we are Quark and we are professional. You wouldn't know anything about our customers." "We don't really do business with your kind." Boy that really pissed me off! I wanted to say to him, "Hey, Jerkoff, I am trying to get better about understanding your product so I can sell more copies of it. I already sell like 20 copies a week, and I think I could do better if I got a bit more support." I worked in Boston where there was a lot of graphics shops and etc. I knew my customers were asking me more about Quark Xpress; but since all the information I had was from Apple, I really couldn't help them much. I felt really belittled and Quark came off as snobbish. Well guess what Quark? I don't push your product anymore......I push Adobe Indesign.....at least Adobe provides trials, seminars, a vendor rep, information, and pays a little attention to the retail sales people. What do you do?.......oh let's see piss off the people who made you a profitable business. Make a rear of yourself and throw stupid tantrums. Oh, and you piss of the very same people who could help you get more product out.....real smart Quark!
Just my 2cents on this subject
shadowfax
macrumors 603
Re: Quark and Apple both do things that are screwy
I am OK with you comparing apple and quark, as long as you look at what they actually have produced, and see that, hey, apple does things completely differently... i mean, hey, no company is perfect. and apple certainly more than likely has that snobbish thing going, at least a little. but apple gets things done. people have criticized OS X a lot, and i have to admit they released it rather too soon, but, wow. people who criticize apple for OS X are idiots. i had been waiting for microsoft to change things for years. and surprise, they never really did. with XP they finally got rid of the DOS base, but nothing significantly changed, other than that now i could leave my ugly, yet resource hogging GUI on for weeks without a restart. everyone has criticized MS for not making meaningful change. now here's apple. they have new ideas, and they innovate. and they bring it right to you. sure, you live through some of their bugs, but hey, you always live through bugs. that's a lot of code. OS X is now internationally recognized as one of the best OSes on the block, by many who use it (myself included) as THE best. you criticized Apple's coming out with new hardware. they really seem to me to come out with stuff fairly regular, and certainly usually with some level of advance warning to people who sell their stuff. i can't imagine that anyone would find a problem with their updating of stuff. that's horrible. updating is a part of product life. everyone knows that. with a company like apple, they keep a single product as the best in its class for much longer than PCs, where they come out with the latest crap every few weeks. sure, there you know that the stuff you buy is devaluing. you just expect it because it happens so regularly, so publicly.
anyways, i don't feel like defending apple anymore. with quark, you have a company that is more snobbish (by far) than apple, and one that is incompetent to boot. they don't come up with new stuff. they don't update software, most significantly. this is just unforgivable for a company like that. they don't have a version out for the very best operating system in the world. and they act snobbish about it--they don't think OS X is that special, just kind of an immature little fluke not worth writing for.
there are little comparisons, but i don't think you should be making them without qualifying that APPLE IS STILL NOTHING LIKE QUARK when it comes down to the most important stuff (customer satisfaction and innovation being foremost among those things in my mind).
to apply this: i have heard people defend dictatorships like Hitler's Mussolini's, the USSR, N. Korea, and so on, by saying, "hey, the US has done some really horrible things too." Oh, gee, that's great. so the constitution, the general welfare of the people, all those great things about america. shoot. ask anyone who's been under political persecution in any of those countries, hey, you wanna live in america? i don't think they'll say, no, i prefer to live over here in daily fear of my life, where any day i could be purged... no, i really like the single party state so much better.
hah, right. i've known several people from the czech republic and belarus, they don't say crap like that.
of course the US has problems. i'd be the first to tell you that. i'm not a hotheaded nationalist. but that doesn't make it comparable to regimes that actively kill millions of [it's own] people! same line of reasoning going on here.
I am OK with you comparing apple and quark, as long as you look at what they actually have produced, and see that, hey, apple does things completely differently... i mean, hey, no company is perfect. and apple certainly more than likely has that snobbish thing going, at least a little. but apple gets things done. people have criticized OS X a lot, and i have to admit they released it rather too soon, but, wow. people who criticize apple for OS X are idiots. i had been waiting for microsoft to change things for years. and surprise, they never really did. with XP they finally got rid of the DOS base, but nothing significantly changed, other than that now i could leave my ugly, yet resource hogging GUI on for weeks without a restart. everyone has criticized MS for not making meaningful change. now here's apple. they have new ideas, and they innovate. and they bring it right to you. sure, you live through some of their bugs, but hey, you always live through bugs. that's a lot of code. OS X is now internationally recognized as one of the best OSes on the block, by many who use it (myself included) as THE best. you criticized Apple's coming out with new hardware. they really seem to me to come out with stuff fairly regular, and certainly usually with some level of advance warning to people who sell their stuff. i can't imagine that anyone would find a problem with their updating of stuff. that's horrible. updating is a part of product life. everyone knows that. with a company like apple, they keep a single product as the best in its class for much longer than PCs, where they come out with the latest crap every few weeks. sure, there you know that the stuff you buy is devaluing. you just expect it because it happens so regularly, so publicly.
anyways, i don't feel like defending apple anymore. with quark, you have a company that is more snobbish (by far) than apple, and one that is incompetent to boot. they don't come up with new stuff. they don't update software, most significantly. this is just unforgivable for a company like that. they don't have a version out for the very best operating system in the world. and they act snobbish about it--they don't think OS X is that special, just kind of an immature little fluke not worth writing for.
there are little comparisons, but i don't think you should be making them without qualifying that APPLE IS STILL NOTHING LIKE QUARK when it comes down to the most important stuff (customer satisfaction and innovation being foremost among those things in my mind).
to apply this: i have heard people defend dictatorships like Hitler's Mussolini's, the USSR, N. Korea, and so on, by saying, "hey, the US has done some really horrible things too." Oh, gee, that's great. so the constitution, the general welfare of the people, all those great things about america. shoot. ask anyone who's been under political persecution in any of those countries, hey, you wanna live in america? i don't think they'll say, no, i prefer to live over here in daily fear of my life, where any day i could be purged... no, i really like the single party state so much better.
hah, right. i've known several people from the czech republic and belarus, they don't say crap like that.
of course the US has problems. i'd be the first to tell you that. i'm not a hotheaded nationalist. but that doesn't make it comparable to regimes that actively kill millions of [it's own] people! same line of reasoning going on here.
I used to work for a desktop publishing Service Provider, and now I am working for a medium sized printing company. In both places, we have owned copies of Quark for the PC. And in the entire time that I have been at the Service Provider (5 years) only 5% of the PC jobs were using Quark. The majority of PC designers that worked with us used Pagemaker or CorelDraw instead. At the printer that I am now working at, there has not been a SINGLE job for Quark on the PC.
In my experience, there are three reasons why designers use PCs:
1. A printing shop decided to get into design, and went with the "cheapest" option.
2. A design student started a home business and choose a PC because "that is what I always used before."
3. A design firm was primarly a web-design firm, and their clients asked them to expand their services to include print design.
In the graphics industry, the only three sub-industries that have traditionally NOT USED macs were the Signage industry (vinyl lettering), silkscreen (t-shirts, manufacturing), and web design ("anybody can do it."). For the first two, this was only because the tools were only available for PC at the time. In fact, this is where CorelDraw (a small nich design program) got its group of loyal followers. For web-design, it grew so much because of the need for corporate and business web sites. In many ways we (the graphic design industry) can be thankful for the web designers that started on the PC because it has allowed Adobe to grow and literally take-over in a niche that Corel was unable to satisfy at the time.
This said, the first two reasons (listed above) why designers are not using Macs to design is really ignorance. The third reason, (web designers) is purely economics... and the web design companies are able to support the PC hardware to make it a practical business with regards to design.
Cross-Platform Compatibility:
The cross-platform file formats of BOTH InDesign and Quark have only one problem when switching from one platform to the other... the fonts. Once Opentype is the standard, this is not going to be a problem. This will mean that a designer can design on the PC in either Quark or InDesign, and the printer will have the ability to print using the Mac OSX (or vice versa).
Cost of Quark/InDesign:
I believe that just because of the cost, that InDesign is a more attractive solution. You can buy the design collection for $999 which includes all of the programs that a designer would need. However, a full version of Quark would cost $799 plus the need to purchase Photoshop ($599) and Illustrator ($399). In addition, the upgrade prices for Quark range between $299 to $399 whereas InDesign upgrades are only $149.
In my experience, there are three reasons why designers use PCs:
1. A printing shop decided to get into design, and went with the "cheapest" option.
2. A design student started a home business and choose a PC because "that is what I always used before."
3. A design firm was primarly a web-design firm, and their clients asked them to expand their services to include print design.
In the graphics industry, the only three sub-industries that have traditionally NOT USED macs were the Signage industry (vinyl lettering), silkscreen (t-shirts, manufacturing), and web design ("anybody can do it."). For the first two, this was only because the tools were only available for PC at the time. In fact, this is where CorelDraw (a small nich design program) got its group of loyal followers. For web-design, it grew so much because of the need for corporate and business web sites. In many ways we (the graphic design industry) can be thankful for the web designers that started on the PC because it has allowed Adobe to grow and literally take-over in a niche that Corel was unable to satisfy at the time.
This said, the first two reasons (listed above) why designers are not using Macs to design is really ignorance. The third reason, (web designers) is purely economics... and the web design companies are able to support the PC hardware to make it a practical business with regards to design.
Cross-Platform Compatibility:
The cross-platform file formats of BOTH InDesign and Quark have only one problem when switching from one platform to the other... the fonts. Once Opentype is the standard, this is not going to be a problem. This will mean that a designer can design on the PC in either Quark or InDesign, and the printer will have the ability to print using the Mac OSX (or vice versa).
Cost of Quark/InDesign:
I believe that just because of the cost, that InDesign is a more attractive solution. You can buy the design collection for $999 which includes all of the programs that a designer would need. However, a full version of Quark would cost $799 plus the need to purchase Photoshop ($599) and Illustrator ($399). In addition, the upgrade prices for Quark range between $299 to $399 whereas InDesign upgrades are only $149.
yzedf
macrumors 65816
About 12 months ago I was interviewing for several different sales jobs. One was for a Harley motorcycle magazine (the one that introduced the Spider-Man bike). Their entire office was running PC's (Gateways of all things) except for the graphic artist/layout guy. He had a G4 with the jumbo CRT display that Apple used to sell. It was strange to see this setup, and I asked him about it. His response was along the lines of "I need OS 9 and Quark to do my job easily. I hate it, OS X will be so much better in most respects, but Quark has not seen the light..." Now, this was a year ago, and he was lamenting no Quark on OS X. He is stuck using whatever the printing companies can accept, which is usally only one format.
I think that Quark has screwed Apple out of a lot of newer harware sales, just to prove that they can.
What are the chances of Apple creating their own product, selling it for $150, and using open file formats? Would something like that be a viable solution?
I think that Quark has screwed Apple out of a lot of newer harware sales, just to prove that they can.
What are the chances of Apple creating their own product, selling it for $150, and using open file formats? Would something like that be a viable solution?
I don't see Quark's situation as being vindictive toward Apple. What I see is that Quark did not accurately gauge what the users wanted, and now they are suffering the consequences.
When the offical OSX 10.0 came out, Quark had a press release stating that their market research has determined that Quark users are not planning on switching to OSX for another year and a half. Nearly two years have passed since that announcement, and they still do not have OSX native software. Instead of developing immediately for OSX, the Quark software design team decided that their version 5 (which was in development at the time of this announcement) would only support OS9. They choose to have no consideration for the future... now they are doing the same thing in a sense. They are writing their OSX version so that it is OSX ONLY -- FROM THE GROUND UP!!!
Adobe, on the other hand, took the opposite approach knowing that their best interest lay in developing OSX native software ASAP.
It was a matter of priorities.
When the offical OSX 10.0 came out, Quark had a press release stating that their market research has determined that Quark users are not planning on switching to OSX for another year and a half. Nearly two years have passed since that announcement, and they still do not have OSX native software. Instead of developing immediately for OSX, the Quark software design team decided that their version 5 (which was in development at the time of this announcement) would only support OS9. They choose to have no consideration for the future... now they are doing the same thing in a sense. They are writing their OSX version so that it is OSX ONLY -- FROM THE GROUND UP!!!
Adobe, on the other hand, took the opposite approach knowing that their best interest lay in developing OSX native software ASAP.
It was a matter of priorities.
shadowfax
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I think you're right, i don't think they hate apple, but i think they grossly underestimated it, and that makes me mad.
I'll believe it when i see it, lol. but that would probably be a really cool program. it just makes me so edgy to read the quotes by managers of the company and so on about how they have no faith in OS X; i think they have done it just because they don't want to admit they were asses not to make OS X compatibility when they should have.
What makes Quark the must have it is, (for people using running tons of paper daily through a press) is the reliance on the plug in architecture for work flow, and the RIPs for high end imagesetting or direct to press. Apple could assign 20 coders to this task just to get Quark back in the ballpark, it still might not do them a bit of good... it is the third party plug ins, that might massage a relational database into a phone book for example, that need the upgrading.
Also, isn't Quark privately held? I think you might be seeing some Quark executives wish to sell out and retire... they have been at it for nearly 20 years.