No 3GHz Soon and No G5 Laptop

[jiggie2g]

And you would end up with a computer that is the same speed in the real world as the Dual 2.5GHz G5 that you could have spent the same money on, and it will still be running Windows!

No i Would Have Spent the same money on a Computer atleast 33% faster , it's obvious u know dog Sh^t about hardware or else u would not make such a Rediculious claim. the only Thing BMW like about a Mac is OSX , external Designs and MOST OF ALL PRICE , APPLE is So Much like Sony ..a company i really hate.. They think if they just make it look pretty and slap thier name on it, they can charge an arm and leg. get away with selling an inferior product at a high cost (Clie/Vaio).

the only thing keeping Apple afloat is the GREAT iPod and iTunes , were it not for those 2 things u and i would be having this discussion over a PC and not a Mac. this is proof as thier market share had decreased every quater for the last few years and u can only shrink so much till ur finally gone.

back to the Hardware part how do u figure when every component in that machine i put togther is wayyyyyyy faser than anything u have in that over priced Cheese Grader

 

[alexf]

Should I get. . .

$1,399.00 12-inch G4 Powerbook
12.1-inch TFT Display
1024x768 resolution
1.33GHz PowerPC G4
512K L2 cache
256MB DDR333 SDRAM
60GB Ultra ATA/100
NVIDIA GeForce FX
Go5200 (64MB DDR)
Full size keyboard
10/100BASE-T Ethernet
FireWire 400
AirPort Extreme built-in
Mini-DVI out


$1,469.00 Dual 1.25GHz PowerPC G4
2MB L3 cache/processor
256MB DDR333 SDRAM
80GB Ultra ATA drive
Combo Drive
ATI Radeon 9000 Pro
Mac OS 9 boot supported


or


$1,799.00 1.8GHz PowerPC G5
900MHz frontside bus/processor
512K L2 cache/processor
256MB DDR400 SDRAM
Expandable to 4GB SDRAM
80GB Serial ATA
8x SuperDrive
Three PCI Slots
NVIDIA GeForce FX 5200 Ultra
64MB DDR video memory
56K internal modem

(these are education price, by the way)

....I want to do video editing, and other normal college student stuff.

You are comparing apples to oranges (no pun intended).

If you need portable, of course go with the PowerBook. If you don't need the portability and you can afford the extra few hundred dollars (keep in mind that a monitor will cost you extra also), then by all means get the dual G5.

This thing will toast both the top of the line PBs and the G4 tower (the only reason to even consider that machine is if you have to boot up in OS 9). The speed difference between the G4 and even the low-end G5 processor is incredible; even more so when the former is in a laptop.

 

[seraphnyc]

How would that be achieved in an OS upgrade?



blakespot

The current OS is still a 32bit OS. The G5 can run 32bit applications at native clock speed, but when the OS or applications are written specifically to take advantage of being able to run at a true 64bits the speed itself does increase. We are not talking about using software to overclcok a CPU, but instead being able to fully take advantage of a 64bit chip.

Think of it in a similar [<---keyword ] way as the ATI 9800, it has a slower core clock speed than the 9600 but increased the pixel pipeline (along with other pieces like the wider bandwidth) and the drivers (system software) to achieve higher performance.

The same can be said for Intel boxes. What good is the chip if the OS is inefficiently running the processors?

You would see a performance improvement if OS X took full advantage of the 64bit chips inside of it. Hell, just updating from Jaguar to Panther gave the G4 a boost in performance. That alone is proof that an OS can improve performance, thus making things faster.

Oh, by the way here is a link to a chart with the video card specs so you can see what I am talking about in terms of being able to sacrifice core clock speed and make up for it in bus speeds and software. Also, yes the GPU is a CPU on a graphics card essentially [<--- keyword].

http://www.insidemacgames.com/reviews/view.php?ID=403

[edit] I know the analogy is a stretch but close enough [/edit]

 

[whenpaulsparks]

i don't know if anyone posted this already, but iTunes 4.6 is out. the only new feature i can see is the AirTunes support, but i like having the newest version of everything. it might not be in software update yet, but its on www.itunes.com

 

[Trimix]

No i Would Have Spent the same money on a Computer atleast 33% faster , it's obvious u know dog Sh^t about hardware or else u would not make such a Rediculious claim. the only Thing BMW like about a Mac is OSX , external Designs and MOST OF ALL PRICE , APPLE is So Much like Sony ..a company i really hate.. They think if they just make it look pretty and slap thier name on it, they can charge an arm and leg. get away with selling an inferior product at a high cost (Clie/Vaio).

the only thing keeping Apple afloat is the GREAT iPod and iTunes , were it not for those 2 things u and i would be having this discussion over a PC and not a Mac. this is proof as thier market share had decreased every quater for the last few years and u can only shrink so much till ur finally gone.

back to the Hardware part how do u figure when every component in that machine i put togther is wayyyyyyy faser than anything u have in that over priced Cheese Grader

why do you take an interest in this forum ? why do you become personal ?
iTunes is not making enough money as was established long ago, so what are you going on about ?

 

[jessefoxperry]

i know everyones pretty pissed at apple for no 3ghz. but ya gotta admit - the new ipods will be sweet and make up for just crappy speed bumps in the imac/g5

 

[jessefoxperry]

i don't know if anyone posted this already, but iTunes 4.6 is out. the only new feature i can see is the AirTunes support, but i like having the newest version of everything. it might not be in software update yet, but its on www.itunes.com

oh get this, it also features "minor improvments" YES! God bless you apple!

 

[SiliconAddict]

Time is running out before I just stop giving a dang.

Screw Apple. Simple as that. Screw them like a cheap $3 hooker. Last straw. I won't go Dell because of their craptacular track record but as soon as IBM rolls out the Pentium M Dothan, that was literally released a couple weeks ago, I'm getting an IBM. Should be out soon. I'm sick of the delay. No more freaking excuses. The M is at 90nm as of the latest version that is SHIPPING NOW. I don't care if its Apple fault or IBM's fault for this. The fact remains that the performance of the PowerBook sucks. Period. barefeats.com has shown that last gen of the M was anywhere from 30% to 40% faster then last falls PowerBook speed bump.

The latest speedbump, if you extract the speeds barefeats.com,

are reporting on the new 1.5Ghz systems, still shows that the M still is probably at least 15 to 20% faster with the "old" Pentium M. Interestingly enough barefeats quietly let that report fade; not mentioning it or following up since that initial report last fall. Wonder why.

The PowerBook's performance sucks. Period. In most cases on the PC side the laptop has a system that is approximately equivalent to its desktop counterpart. Heck in some cases most of the high end laptops can outperform the low-end desktop segment. If Apple truly does introduce the G5 in the iMac we are going to see every desktop product across the board, with the possible exception of the eMac, kick the snot out of Apple's top of the line PowerBook and it appears that this will be the case for some time to come.

I'm going to end up paying more for an IBM then a PowerBook but you know I'm willing to do that simply because its going to be faster. Apple should be embarrassed for the slow POS they have on their hands. It's the most beautiful POS I've ever seen with wonderful features slapped in and around the POS to make it look like the most advanced laptop on the planet. But that doesn't change the fact that it's still a slow POS. Why anyone would go out and buy a new computer simply for a 5% performance increase from the previous version is beyond my comprehension. Maybe its because the PowerBooks are starving for a performance boost beyond the 5%-10% that the latest batch of PowerBooks provides over the last rev. Pathetic. Flame away but I'm not stating anything that isn't bluntly, hurtfully, true and if that makes you think I'm hacking on your purchase that you made I'm not. If it's good enough for you great. Find. I'm very happy for you but since I'm not loyal to any one platform, I don't give a **** about this Windows vs. Mac vs. Linux vs. Amiga vs. whatever debate, I look at all my options and in my opinion the PowerBook stinks like week old New York trash.

On the bright side I'll still be getting something from IBM but it just won't be a G5.

 

[SiliconAddict]

i know everyones pretty pissed at apple for no 3ghz. but ya gotta admit - the new ipods will be sweet and make up for just crappy speed bumps in the imac/g5

Yep...oh wait a second. I would use a computer more then I would an iPod. I retract my statement. Nope.

 

[jayscheuerle]

whoop de friggin' doo

For what most users do with their machines (and this includes graphic artists), the available G5s are plenty fast for anything they're ever going to do, provided they have enough RAM. Compelling reasons to upgrade are not going to have to do with speed. I'd much rather have Apple hold the speed and drop the price or maybe come up with something smarter, instead of just slightly faster. Airport Extreme seems smart. A liquid cooled dual 2.5gHz G5 is nice and fast, but so was the 2.0 g1 version, and the 1.8, etc...

Are there no more revolutions in the desktop/laptop world? Don't just tell me I can do something marginally (and possibly not even visibly) faster, show me something new I can do.

 

[seraphnyc]

Screw Apple. Simple as that. Screw them like a cheap $3 hooker. Last straw. I won't go Dell because of their craptacular track record but as soon as IBM rolls out the Pentium M Dothan, that was literally released a couple weeks ago, I'm getting an IBM. Should be out soon. I'm sick of the delay. No more freaking excuses. The M is at 90nm as of the latest version that is SHIPPING NOW. I don't care if its Apple fault or IBM's fault for this. The fact remains that the performance of the PowerBook sucks. Period. barefeats.com has shown that last gen of the M was anywhere from 30% to 40% faster then last falls PowerBook speed bump.

The latest speedbump, if you extract the speeds barefeats.com,

are reporting on the new 1.5Ghz systems, still shows that the M still is probably at least 15 to 20% faster with the "old" Pentium M. Interestingly enough barefeats quietly let that report fade; not mentioning it or following up since that initial report last fall. Wonder why.

The PowerBook's performance suck. Period. In most cases on the PC side the laptop has a system that is approximately equivalent to its desktop counterpart. Heck in some cases most of the high end laptops can outperform the low-end desktop segment. If Apple truly does introduce the G5 in the iMac we are going to see every desktop product across the board, with the possible exception of the eMac, kick the snot out of Apple's top of the line PowerBook and it appears that this will be the case for some time to come.

I'm going to end up paying more for an IBM then a PowerBook but you know I'm willing to do that simply because its going to be faster. Apple should be embarrassed for the slow POS they have on their hands. It's the most beautiful POS I've ever seen with wonderful features slapped in and around the POS to make it look like the most advanced laptop on the planet. But that doesn't change the fact that it's still a slow POS. Why anyone would go out and buy a new computer simply for a 5% performance increase from the previous version is beyond my comprehension. Maybe its because the PowerBooks are starving for a performance boost beyond the 5%-10% that the latest batch of PowerBooks provides over the last rev. Pathetic. Flame away but I'm not stating anything that isn't bluntly, hurtfully, true and if that makes you think I'm hacking on your purchase that you made I'm not. If it's good enough for you great. Find. I'm very happy for you but since I'm not loyal to any one platform, I don't give a **** about this Windows vs. Mac vs. Linux vs. Amiga vs. whatever debate, I look at all my options and in my opinion the PowerBook stinks like week old New York trash.

On the bright side I'll still be getting something from IBM but it just won't be a G5.

Are we a bit hostile or what? Not a single Apple noteboook has been touted as a Desktop Replacement, so I think you expectations for it are just a tad skewed. Do what you will, but are you not slightly worried that your emotional well being relies on a company releasing a G5 Powerbook? This isn't the apocolypse, calm down and breathe.

P.S. Nothing smells as bad as week old NYC trash, especially in the summer. Been there during the trash incident, the only thing worse than it hasn't come out yet.... longhorn.

 

[learthur]

LCD Panels

There is a high probability with the current progression of technology that the LCD panels will have not just a firewire HUB, but a firewire CONNECTION. For those who haven't discovered HD video yet, the firewire cable is the coaxial TV cable of the future. Its advantages are:

1) High bandwidth video/audio
2) Ability to control video source from display device.
3) Easy to network your whole house
4) Firewire hubs are cheap.

In preparation for this....(it will be big when the pieces come together), you should call your local cable company and get a HD cable box with a firewire port, get a HD display like the possibly to be announced Apple displays with firewire video connectivity, and then get the soon to be developed Airport Express WITH VIDEO streaming. Now there is a home entertainment system. As you can see Jobs is going to do to home TV what he did to the home CD changer with the iPod.

 

[Trimix]

a lot of people are really angry about this - what i am wondering - for the high end applications, would the difference between 2.5 and 3.0 really be so extremely noticeable ? when for example ? i am ignorant, not arrogant, but isn't 2.5 already blistering fast ? (ducks behind his 867 mhz iMac)

 

[gothamac]

Great Value

What can $3966 shipped get you?
MacMall
G5 2.0 Ghz
1GHz frontside bus/processor
512K L2 cache/processor
1.512 GB DDR400 SDRAM-Free Gig mail in $99
Expandable to 8GB SDRAM
160GB Serial ATA
8x SuperDrive
Three PCI-X Slots
NVIDIA GeForce FX 5200 Ultra
64MB DDR video memory
56K internal modem
23" TFT active-matrix LCD supports 1920-by-1200-pixel resolution.

I paid over $4000 for a DP500 4 years ago.(It's still going strong)
You people need to stop complaining.

 

[alexf]

For what most users do with their machines (and this includes graphic artists), the available G5s are plenty fast for anything they're ever going to do, provided they have enough RAM. Compelling reasons to upgrade are not going to have to do with speed. I'd much rather have Apple hold the speed and drop the price or maybe come up with something smarter, instead of just slightly faster. Airport Extreme seems smart. A liquid cooled dual 2.5gHz G5 is nice and fast, but so was the 2.0 g1 version, and the 1.8, etc...

Yes, I agree completely; I think that the only people who really have use for even the lowest-end G5s are video professionals / people doing a lot of rendering-intensive tasks.

I myself am a graphic designer using a G5 1.6 GHz with 2 GB of memory and am very satisfied.

 

[a_iver]

Wait.... Did we just get new G4 powerbooks? It says so on Apple. I guess the people upset about the G5 PBs won't be so upset after all.

 

[zuggerat]

i wonder if this upgrade is front so when the 3ghz are released at the WWDC then there will be a huge influx of orders for the PM and upgrades to 3ghz... its possible and its very clever strategy for advertising, plus it instills a huge customer moral booster

 

[yuphorix]

The Apple hasn't ripened yet

It's interesting to see that apple still doesn't understand the power of having a midrange computer. $2k is hardly midrange and infact is considered high end for most PC's. It's odd, for years apple was the one that desputed the claims that "more Ghz" != Faster, and yet here they are at this very moment trying to push their processors to higher clock speeds, but at the same time they've managed to neglect the other components of the computer. Apple is so quick to adopt DP to give them a processor advantage, why not adopt RAID configuration for the HD to boost the read speed to allow video editors to access their data faster? And, if apple truly believes their machines are "professional", they should at the very least make 128mb video cards standard, along with 512mb of RAM (256mb of RAM is weak-sauce). At this point, it seems like most of the price goes towards the Dual processor system. Still, Apple downplaying the other components makes it very hard to recommend buying their desktops, unless OSX is necessary. Unless you need Final Cut Pro or Logic, this is usually not the case.

 

[PRØBE]

U kidding me?

Hopefully this will stop the "Apple will release 3GHz machines next week" speculation

arn

That would presuppose that people actually read anything before they posted

 

[jessefoxperry]

i wonder if this upgrade is front so when the 3ghz are released at the WWDC then there will be a huge influx of orders for the PM and upgrades to 3ghz... its possible and its very clever strategy for advertising, plus it instills a huge customer moral booster

true. very likely. and until Apple's own Director of Power Mac Product Marketing says otherwise, im going with you. like until said director says something along the lines of "we are not getting to 3GHz anytime soon" im gonna be expecting upgrades at WWDC

 

[nmk]

Screw Apple. Simple as that. Screw them like a cheap $3 hooker. Last straw. I won't go Dell because of their craptacular track record but as soon as IBM rolls out the Pentium M Dothan, that was literally released a couple weeks ago, I'm getting an IBM. Should be out soon. I'm sick of the delay. No more freaking excuses. The M is at 90nm as of the latest version that is SHIPPING NOW. I don't care if its Apple fault or IBM's fault for this. The fact remains that the performance of the PowerBook sucks. Period. barefeats.com has shown that last gen of the M was anywhere from 30% to 40% faster then last falls PowerBook speed bump.

The latest speedbump, if you extract the speeds barefeats.com,

are reporting on the new 1.5Ghz systems, still shows that the M still is probably at least 15 to 20% faster with the "old" Pentium M. Interestingly enough barefeats quietly let that report fade; not mentioning it or following up since that initial report last fall. Wonder why.

The PowerBook's performance sucks. Period. In most cases on the PC side the laptop has a system that is approximately equivalent to its desktop counterpart. Heck in some cases most of the high end laptops can outperform the low-end desktop segment. If Apple truly does introduce the G5 in the iMac we are going to see every desktop product across the board, with the possible exception of the eMac, kick the snot out of Apple's top of the line PowerBook and it appears that this will be the case for some time to come.

I'm going to end up paying more for an IBM then a PowerBook but you know I'm willing to do that simply because its going to be faster. Apple should be embarrassed for the slow POS they have on their hands. It's the most beautiful POS I've ever seen with wonderful features slapped in and around the POS to make it look like the most advanced laptop on the planet. But that doesn't change the fact that it's still a slow POS. Why anyone would go out and buy a new computer simply for a 5% performance increase from the previous version is beyond my comprehension. Maybe its because the PowerBooks are starving for a performance boost beyond the 5%-10% that the latest batch of PowerBooks provides over the last rev. Pathetic. Flame away but I'm not stating anything that isn't bluntly, hurtfully, true and if that makes you think I'm hacking on your purchase that you made I'm not. If it's good enough for you great. Find. I'm very happy for you but since I'm not loyal to any one platform, I don't give a **** about this Windows vs. Mac vs. Linux vs. Amiga vs. whatever debate, I look at all my options and in my opinion the PowerBook stinks like week old New York trash.

On the bright side I'll still be getting something from IBM but it just won't be a G5.

You seem to be getting highly emotional considering you're not loyal to any one platform. Anyway, the G5 PB was a dream and I've been saying it for a while. This statement from Apple should hardly come as a surprise. Or did you not notice that the heatsinks for the G5 are larger than a 12" PB. On the more positive front though, the new Centrino's are great processors. I'm sure you'll enjoy your new machine.

 

[gothamac]

enjoy

"You seem to be getting highly emotional considering you're not loyal to any one platform. Anyway, the G5 PB was a dream and I've been saying it for a while. This statement from Apple should hardly come as a surprise. Or did you not notice that the heatsinks for the G5 are larger than a 12" PB. On the more positive front though, the new Centrino's are great processors. I'm sure you'll enjoy your new machine."

...and new Operating System.

 

[Rower_CPU]

Folks, insults, spam and off topic posts will be deleted immediately.

Keep the discussion on topic, please.

 

[NOV]

The funny thing is that for me -using my mac for audio recording purposes- it has become totally uninteresting to even think about switching.

The hardware may be more costly compared to building your own PeeCee but the Logic Pro-software is now so cheap compared to a Windows (=Steinberg) solution, that switching is out of the question.

I guess for video professionals this is also true (FCP)

 

[bishopduke]

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