No 3GHz Soon and No G5 Laptop

[technocoy]

well, in all fairness to apple..

steve did say that IBM promises us they will be at 3 Gigahertz within a year. so in reality this is IBM dropping the ball, but also in reality, thing happen in the tech world, this is new stuff, and fast stuff, and hot stuff, with a new process for manufacture. you will get your three gigahertz machines, just a little later. if you can't buy a 2.5 and be happy, then there is a problem, because you aren't going to buy any 3,000 dollar computer this faster anywhere else and have a noticeable difference. I run some pretty damn heavy stuff on my dual 2.0, and with the exception of SOME video effects editing, this things smokes at it all. 2.5 is a 1ghz jump if the software you are using is DP optimized. come on people give them a break. we could be still running G4s overclocked to 1.75 right now. They can't do it all at once! they are making some pretty big shifts in their strategies and product markets right now, and it may take some time to get everything going smooth. they ARE tit for tat with other 64 bit processors right now, so settle down, all will be well.

 

[awesomebase]

Wow is it really true?

Wow, I saw the PMs on Apple's site... I can't say I'm too impressed... doesn't seem to be much of anything new except for-one new model. That doesn't bode well for Apple doing this... I'm sure they announced it on their web-site to avoid embarassment at the conference. It shouldn't take 1 year to get 1 new model for their top of the line machines...
All I can say is that it stinks! Once again, Apple is going to find itself getting to the 3GHz mark when Intel, AMD, and others are surpassing 4GHz or higher. I'm not saying the speed is bad, but Apple has been in this business for 20+ years now. You would think that they know what to say and what not to say. It would have been nice if they had decent prices on the models too. They are starting pretty high...

 

[Stella]

Still no G5 PB soon..
:-(

What do I do.. buy G4 PB or hang on to G3 iBook until G5 PB.. getting a G4 iBook seems not much of an upgrade, since its still the same machine.

 

[jxyama]

Sorry, but it's just me personally, I need to get a new LCD in the next few months, so having the enclosures would be a plus for me. Not the biggest fan of the the plastic ... or of the price. The other reason I hope they upgrade ... LCD components has dropped in price in the recent months.

Anyway that's my perspective. ^_^

i understand. but many of us seem to think there'll be some sort of new radical displays waiting to be released... i think the displays will be just the same with different enclosures. LCD technologies haven't advanced much. pixels sizes hasn't gotten any smaller, for example.

 

[Laslo Panaflex]

Must . . not . . . let . . . speculation . . . END!!!

Has anyone ordered a dual 2.5 yet, what is the shipping time?

Methinks that if the shipping time is within the next 2-3 weeks, this is how it will play out.

1. Steve will announce a dual 3gig at WWDC. it will start shipping in August
2. It will push everything down the line making daul 2 1999 and dual 2.5 2499 and dual 3 2999
3. People that have ordered a dual 2.5 can keep thier order and have it ship right away, or upgrade to dual 3 and wait untill the end of august to get their dual 3.


Of course this scenario will only be valid if the shipping times on the 2.5 are actually 2-3 weeks, so anyone bought one yet?

/sarcasm

 

[crees!]

Excellent. So I can feel confident/safe about buying a g4 pb in the next 2 weeks.

Yea, don't wait around like other people will. Have one in your hands now instead of 8 months or a year later you know. You won't be disappointed.

 

[crees!]

Has anyone ordered a dual 2.5 yet, what is the shipping time?

"July" is when the 2.5 Ghz is shipping.

 

[autrefois]

those were goals.

at the time the statements were made, perhaps under optimistic views, he thought those statements would come true.

i think it says more about some of us who take his words too literally and cling to them as if they are some sort of infallible promises.

I see your point, but there's a difference between me saying my "goal" is to visit every ballpark by next year and me missing that goal, and Steve Jobs, head of a Apple, saying his "goal" is to reach 3.0 GHz by next year and Apple falling very short of that goal.

His words ought to mean more and be weighed much more carefully, considering his position. And it's not just one missed goal he's had recently, either...

 

[jxyama]

Has anyone ordered a dual 2.5 yet, what is the shipping time?

Methinks that if the shipping time is within the next 2-3 weeks, this is how it will play out.

1. Steve will announce a dual 3gig at WWDC. it will start shipping in August
2. It will push everything down the line making daul 2 1999 and dual 2.5 2499 and dual 3 2999
3. People that have ordered a dual 2.5 can keep thier order and have it ship right away, or upgrade to dual 3 and wait untill the end of august to get their dual 3.

Of course this scenario will only be valid if the shipping times on the 2.5 are actually 2-3 weeks, so anyone bought one yet?

did you read anything on this thread, including the original post??

autrefois - steve missing a few "predictions" isn't that big of a deal. CEOs are like politicians - their job practically is to walk the fine line between hype and lies.

 

[Sun Baked]

I see your point, but there's a difference between me saying my "goal" is to visit every ballpark by next year and me missing that goal, and Steve Jobs, head of a Apple, saying his "goal" is to reach 3.0 GHz by next year and Apple falling very short of that "goal".

His words ought to mean more and be weighed much more carefully, considering his position. And it's not just one missed goal he's had recently, either.

Failing to meet a "goal" isn't as bad as Apple failing to deliver product that they've already announced.

 

[IBSNOWEDIN]

NICE!! it is Water cooled and also their is a better graphics card u have the option of a 9800 XT 256mb.. also the FSB at 1250mhz is crazy... must be very quiet.. aswell so i think this is a step up and it is 90nm ship aswell!!

Good job Apple!

 

[macnews]

The "no 3Ghz anytime soon" comment is not too encouraging. Given Apple's recent problem with telling time (similar to what women say about men knowing distance), it could be a year or more before 3Ghz. That is not encouraging at all.

Steve does need to be careful about his comments (100 mil downloads, 3 gigs, etc). It is one thing to make those comments and back them up. People will respect and follow you to the end of the earth if you are that kind of a leader. Making promises or even just claims and not being able to follow through (regardless of your fault/control or not) will start to make people doubt your ability to lead or be trust worthy.

Last year Steve could have said they have hope to be at 3 gigs in a just over a year, vs one year and still been ok with today's updates. People would bitch but then in 6 months if he released 3 gigs you wouldn't hear (what is most likely to happen) "great, here is the 3 gigs, 6months late. Where is my 3.5 gig machine?"

 

[nagromme]

Only Tiger at WWDC?

He never said no iMac G5. I bet it will be released at WWDC with Mac OS 10.4 installed on it. I am going to put that on my site.

iMac G5 soon sounds highly unlikely due to heatsink size--that was just stated by Apple pretty clearly (with SMALL room to hope still). 10.4 is impossible shipping at WWDC. It's a first preview for developers. That comes MONTHS before the real product.

I wonder what steve is going to have to say at the WWDC to explain why he couldn't deliver what he promised. I know it's "technical challenges", but steve always has something more witty to say. Well i'll be there.

Steve said this "will be worth it". There must be some super amazing announcement other than Tiger.

Steve's email said the Tiger preview will be worth it. Specifically. So there could be no new hardware at WWDC. It's for developers after all. Tiger is the biggest news for that audience. Hardware's possible, but not a certainty.

Apple seems to be releasing hardware "when ready" now anyway. Like Airport Express two days before PowerMacs.

EDIT: Tiger's the biggest news for me too.... I already have my Mac _

 

[itsa]

iMac G5 soon sounds highly unlikely due to heatsink size--that was just stated by Apple pretty clearly (with SMALL room to hope still). 10.4 is impossible shipping at WWDC. It's a first preview for developers. That comes MONTHS before the real product.



Steve's email said the Tiger preview will be worth it. Specifically. So there could be no new hardware at WWDC. It's for developers after all. Tiger is the biggest news for that audience. Hardware's possible, but not a certainty.

Apple seems to be releasing hardware "when ready" now anyway. Like Airport Express two days before PowerMacs.

Before a G5 powerbook? Just does not seem right.

 

[broken_keyboard]

Cool I am so glad the Apple have updated the G5 to 2.5GHz.

I can't wait to get home and turn on my G5 and see if the extra 500MHz makes any difference.

w00t!

 

[windowsblowsass]

Not if we are shooting for 3GHz? The sad thing is... what's next? When everyone else is shooting for 4 and up apple is scrathing their heads.

actually no one is shooting for 4 intel it a road block with heat amd is at 2.4 and freescale is well ah they have 1.5

what we have here is a crapshoot for dual cores

 

[JGowan]

Ah well, the 3.0 Ghz machines will come soon enough, even if SJ is made out to be a liar.

I think the word "liar" is pretty strong. A Liar is someone who says something false and KNOWS it. What Steve gave was a projection of future events that simply are getting pushed back due to technical problems. Problems, I might add, that are nothing he can do anything about. IBM is the only one who can make this happen.

Also, anyone thinking that the "HIGH END" model would jump from Dual 2GHz to Dual 3GHz is crazy. Without the G5 Chip problem, we most likely would've seen this new line up 6 months ago and then had something like "Dual 2.2, Dual 2.6 and Dual 3.0GHz" announced at WWDC.

Dual 2GHz to Dual 3GHz... that was a pipe dream. A ganja pipe dream.

 

[jkhanson]

display lines are old

sorry to be a little OT, but what's with the constant speculation on displays? the LCD technology hasn't progressed much since the last cinema display updates. all we can hope for is bigger ones at lower prices. they will probably have different enclosures but i find that hardly worth waiting over...

unless you are waiting for a 30" LCD (which will cost nearly $4k, i imagine), you are basically waiting for the current cinema displays but encased in aluminum... i guess if that's what you want, that's what you want. but i don't understand the hype surrounding new displays.

The displays have not been updated in a very long time. I'll bet the specs, in fact, will change quite a bit on the new ones. From what I understand, Samsung makes the Apple displays [Edit: winblowsass says that LG makes them -- that may indeed be the case, but the point remains the same since the current line of LG monitors also has higher specs than the Apple branded ones]. Examples from the current Samsung line:

SyncMaster 213T has 21.3 inch screen, brightness of 250 cd/m2, contrast ratio of 500:1.

SyncMaster 173P has 17 inch screen, brightness of 270 cd/m2, contrast ratio of 700:1.

Meanwhile, the Apple branded 20 inch display has brightness of 230 cd/m2 and contrast ratio of 350:1. The 17 inch display (the oldest) has brightness of 200 cd/m2 and contrast ratio of 350:1. Viewing angles are the same or slightly worse than the SyncMaster models.

I admit that I don't know how much a difference these things make, but it does seem like the new displays will not just be the same specs in a new case. We'll find out soon enough.

 

[pjkelnhofer]

Hopefully this will stop the "Apple will release 3GHz machines next week" speculation

arn

Only if you repost the quote every week. People around here tend to have short memories.

I think the Dual 2.5GHz is impressive, the Dual FSB on the whole lineup is pretty sweet as well. Do these machines blow the doors of everything Intel/AMD makes? No, but they are just as fast as similarly priced PC's.

I give Apple credit for stepping up and saying, we made the promise but we could not deliver.

He said no G5 PB's, but he said nothing about iMacs

 

[sinisterdesign]

Hopefully this will stop the "Apple will release 3GHz machines next week" speculation

arn

thank you.

i don't think anyone is THRILLED w/ this update, but at least that should end some of the ranting/speculating for the next couple months. if you're in the market for a fast desktop, the 2x2.5 should be the TOL for a little while. if you need a new fast laptop, looks like it may be a while. get comfortable...

 

[itsa]

actually no one is shooting for 4 intel it a road block with heat amd is at 2.4 and freescale is well ah they have 1.5

what we have here is a crapshoot for dual cores

I was just thinking... if 3Ghz is not going to happen with these G5's...at least not for a year or more.. What kind of future is there with IBM?

 

[kettle]

powerbook

Hopefully this will stop the "Apple will release 3GHz machines next week" speculation

arn

Really, why should we be concerned if it doesn't, surely it's the "All the fun of the fair" that is macrumors. It's the excitement of the Apple brand and why we love this site.

Actually, there maybe logic to say no 3GHz next week, but I haven't ruled out liquid cooled G5 in the Powerbook. ...maybe a slower one like the 1.6.

 

[itsa]

About the only real noticeable difference aside from the liquid cooling on the 2.5DP and the PCI-X stuff is the 8X DVD burners (which are available for $180 online anyway) instead of the 4X DVD burners.
I don't think this news would be so bad if it were the iMac line getting a little bump... but it just throttles me that Apple would do so little to their top of the line models in just 1 year. It just seems to me that they could have done a lot more (i.e. get better video cards as standard, provide more than one optical drive bay, make the case smaller, and for Pete's sake lets get more than 256MB of RAM in there!) I can't believe that they would only put 256MB of RAM on their entry model... even the cheap HP machines in Best Buy and Circuit City type places don't start less than 512MB and they cost about a quarter of what these do! Apple... what happened????

I thought the very same thing. Along with a bit of a price drop.

 

[themacman]

This could be true

1. Steve will announce a dual 3gig at WWDC. it will start shipping in August
2. It will push everything down the line making daul 2 1999 and dual 2.5 2499 and dual 3 2999
3. People that have ordered a dual 2.5 can keep thier order and have it ship right away, or upgrade to dual 3 and wait untill the end of august to get their dual 3.

This is very likely. I looked how long it will take to get a dual 2.5 shipped it says it will ship in mid july this means that 3ghz could still be very possible. I think jobs will talk about the 3ghz and on the 3ghz there will be some kind of new technology. The Dual 3 Ghz will probably ship with tiger on it in september, October

 

[windowsblowsass]

The displays have not been updated in a very long time. I'll bet the specs, in fact, will change quite a bit on the new ones. From what I understand, Samsung makes the Apple displays. Examples from their current line:

SyncMaster 213T has 21.3 inch screen, brightness of 250 cd/m2, contrast ratio of 500:1.

SyncMaster 173P has 17 inch screen, brightness of 270 cd/m2, contrast ratio of 700:1.

Meanwhile, the Apple branded 20 inch display has brightness of 230 cd/m2 and contrast ratio of 350:1. The 17 inch display (the oldest) has brightness of 200 cd/m2 and contrast ratio of 350:1. Viewing angles are the same or slightly worse than the SyncMaster models.

I admit that I don't know how much a difference these things make, but it does seem like the new displays will not just be the same specs in a new case.

actually i think the apple displays are mace by lg