No 3GHz Soon and No G5 Laptop

[JGowan]

...unless you are waiting for a 30" LCD (which will cost nearly $4k, i imagine), you are basically waiting for the current cinema displays but encased in aluminum... i guess if that's what you want, that's what you want. but i don't understand the hype surrounding new displays.

At work, I was running a Beige G3 until early this year. The boss would spring for a Dual 2Ghz G5 but would only buy me a 21" CRT. He's a PC person and spending the money for the computer was hard to justify. But buying a $2000 23" Display was out of the question.

Perhaps there are people who have a new G5 machine and a CRT but want to wait for a 23" with a new enclosure to match their Aluminum G5. Why drop $2000 on something that will soon be obsolete and not really match your new computer. Two grand is a lot of money. I think waiting is smart in this instance.

 

[Bhennies]

Ok did they revamp the case design at all? Is there more HD space? Did they fix the fan problems, power supply chirping? This is all I care about. Did they revamp the 2.0 and 1.8 as well...same mhz, different chip? Or is that the old stock? Thanks

 

[pjkelnhofer]

I can't believe that they would only put 256MB of RAM on their entry model... even the cheap HP machines in Best Buy and Circuit City type places don't start less than 512MB and they cost about a quarter of what these do! Apple... what happened????

A quick check of Best Buy, Circuit City and HP shows that 256MB is exactly at what their machines start (Dells start at 128MB of shared memory!). Now, these machines are not really comparable to the G5's (and 25-50% of the price), but you do not have your facts correct.

Apple puts less RAM in the system so they can charge you to upgrade it. They are trying to make money you know. Damn businesses

 

[Sun Baked]

I was just thinking... if 3Ghz is not going to happen with these G5's...at least not for a year or more.. What kind of future is there with IBM?

The next generation chip, the Power5-UL, will add SMT -- which gives us chips capable of running two threads at the same time, and seen as two CPUs by the OS (one real, one virtual) -- and give us somewhere around a 35-45% speed boost.

There were also some comments about IBM working on bus improvements. And the possibility of seeing the FSB operate at the CPU's frequency would be a more exciting development than a 500MHz boost to the CPU's frequency.

People need to get away from the MHz marketing myth... there are other areas of the computer system that have been neglected in the quest for simple MHz.

 

[klaus]

Can someone confirm that the new 2.0 and 1.8 models are also using the 90 nm processors?

Thx

 

[jxyama]

The displays have not been updated in a very long time. I'll bet the specs, in fact, will change quite a bit on the new ones. From what I understand, Samsung makes the Apple displays. Examples from their current line:

SyncMaster 213T has 21.3 inch screen, brightness of 250 cd/m2, contrast ratio of 500:1.

SyncMaster 173P has 17 inch screen, brightness of 270 cd/m2, contrast ratio of 700:1.

Meanwhile, the Apple branded 20 inch display has brightness of 230 cd/m2 and contrast ratio of 350:1. The 17 inch display (the oldest) has brightness of 200 cd/m2 and contrast ratio of 350:1. Viewing angles are the same or slightly worse than the SyncMaster models.

I admit that I don't know how much a difference these things make, but it does seem like the new displays will not just be the same specs in a new case.

thanks for the info. i didn't mean to imply that the displays will be exactly the same. i just don't think they will be that significant of a change. contrast ratios and brightness will make differences, no doubt. but usually, "dramatic" improvements in displays are associated with the size and the pixel numbers. while i can see a 30" display (still, it will be very, very expensive and apple may wait until the price comes down so there'll be reasonable demand... if 30" costs twice as much 20", say, wouldn't one opt for 20" dual screens?), i don't see the pixel sizes being reduced. so i don't think the "improvements" made to the displays will be that "significant" - that was my point.

so if one is holding out for displays to come out to be drastically different from the current ones from the pixel format/size standpoint, i was thinking they will be dissappointed...

 

[windowsblowsass]

Ok did they revamp the case design at all? Is there more HD space? Did they fix the fan problems, power supply chirping? This is all I care about. Did they revamp the 2.0 and 1.8 as well...same mhz, different chip? Or is that the old stock? Thanks

yeah the new macs are liwuid cooled http://www.apple.com/powermac/design.html

this seems strange because the 90nm are cooler than before maybe their preparing for the future

 

[bousozoku]

The liquid cooling has to be a joke because that's just too funny. The last time I remember any machines being liquid cooled, it was the 1980s and IBM's 3084 mainframe was the size of a room with the liquid cooling.

I guess the PPC970 needs some help, even at 90nm. That's pretty scary.

 

[musichris777]

What happened to 3GHZ?

Jobs said at last years WWDC that, "a year from now we will be at 3 GHZ...."

Well is he going to release something this fall as 3GHZ or is this it? If this is it and we don't see a 3GHZ this fall, IBM is not living up to it's end of the bargain.

Remember that The G5 didn't come out untill the fall last year, so we could see 3GHZ after all.

 

[Bhennies]

MAN AM I HAPPY I BOUGHT MY POWERBOOK NOW!!!

They didn't even include Bluetooth and airport extreme. WTF? Unbelievable!!!!!!!!!

 

[blue&whiteman]

it should be obvious that there will be no new powerbook soon. not a G4 or G5 since they were just updated.

 

[itsa]

This is really odd. I have been waiting for months, (with money in hand) for this new line and I still have not ordered one. I'm thinking I will wait until after WWDC before I do anything. Maybe something cool will happen.

 

[blakespot]

Hopefully this will stop the "Apple will release 3GHz machines next week" speculation

arn

Indeed, let us hope this. They were troubling.



blakespot

 

[windowsblowsass]

The liquid cooling has to be a joke because that's just too funny. The last time I remember any machines being liquid cooled, it was the 1980s and IBM's 3084 mainframe was the size of a room with the liquid cooling.

I guess the PPC970 needs some help, even at 90nm. That's pretty scary.

many highend pcs use liquid cooling

 

[jxyama]

yeah the new macs are liwuid cooled http://www.apple.com/powermac/design.html

this seems strange because the 90nm are cooler than before maybe their preparing for the future

where did you read that 90 nm is cooler?

smaller the feature size, more power that is needed to combat dark voltages and cross talks... no?

 

[pjkelnhofer]

Ok did they revamp the case design at all? Is there more HD space? Did they fix the fan problems, power supply chirping? This is all I care about. Did they revamp the 2.0 and 1.8 as well...same mhz, different chip? Or is that the old stock? Thanks

I believe that the fan and power supply problems have already been fixed. As for you other questions, did you read any of the threads or just post?

 

[awesomebase]

Of course they are in business...

A quick check of Best Buy, Circuit City and HP shows that 256MB is exactly at what their machines start (Dells start at 128MB of shared memory!). Now, these machines are not really comparable to the G5's (and 25-50% of the price), but you do not have your facts correct.

Apple puts less RAM in the system so they can charge you to upgrade it. They are trying to make money you know. Damn businesses

Yeah, I know that they want you to upgrade and they want to make money, but, I think you're missing the point... every business wants you to upgrade, but Apple has a DUAL PROCESSOR machine... that means right off the bat it is a higher-end piece of hardware. They should be going to 1GB right off the line. The fact that they won't even start theirs at 512MB is absurd... especially in light of the fact that they didn't meet their 3GHz promise. It is almost like they made this release half-heartedly... like they didn't care. Well, it doesn't do them any good to make their top of the line machines look weak. After all, IBM probably doesn't make those memory chips. Apple could have just as easily added more memory to their machines and at least tried to bolster that part of the PM beyond what was offered a year ago. My 3-year old TiPB at 550MHz has 512MB... and it wasn't that special when I made the upgrade (I sold the 256MB 133MHz module and got 2 256MB 100MHz modules for $30 less). Do you think that would be so horrible? I think Apple is more than capable of doing AT LEAST that kind of an upgrade...

 

[jiggie2g]

1 Whole Year for this Crap

Apple just loves to piss me off this is why I am just going to Build a PC , **** Apple , atleast they could have put out something better in the lower models. a single/dual 2ghz and Dual 2.2 low and mid end would have been great. and come on $3000 for a comp and all we get is a 2nd rate soon to be outdated and replaced Radeon 9600XT that should be minimum . a 9800XT should be standard on a 3K machine , i'd love to see Dell , HP or AlienWare try to pull this Bull **** off. ALL APPLE HAS DONE IS UPDATE 1 MACHINE AND NOW IS TRYING 2 SELL US IT'S OVER STOCKED CRAP AT A DISCOUNT.

While i like the Liquid cooling alot i'm disappointed to see it's only on the High end. NOTE TO APPLE: AMD NOW HAS AN ATHLON 64 +3800. They will have a +4000 by Oct/Nov or sooner.

Also Why did they ever bother to put in a PCI-X Slot in. this is a complete waste as PCI-X will be used Exclusively for the Server Market, The PC Industry has already Picked the Better and faster PCI Express as the new Standard to replace PCI making PCI-X a total waste unless ur running an X-Serve. Doesn't Apple Realize i can Biuld me a Spanking new +3800/FX-53 system for under 2K , and don't let me jump on those Phoney Benchmarks where the new G5 2.5 beats the AMD 64 FX-53 by 93% .....LMAO yea right.

 

[Bhennies]

I believe that the fan and power supply problems have already been fixed. As for you other questions, did you read any of the threads or just post?

First if all- take down the tone. Yes I read the other posts. There are other people asking as well whether or not the low end models were updated as well. The only BIG update was the 2.5- yes I can see that much was revised on that- but the 1.8 and 2.0??? And no...the problems have not been fixed. I know people who have the rev. E powersupply and it still chirps.

 

[Gus]

We all know that Steve and the engineers at Apple have to have a couple of functioning 3Ghz G5 processors at Cupertino for testing, etc. So...


At WWDC, Steve will be doing his presentations on the only Dual-3Ghz PowerMac G5 in existence. He gets to show off whats in store for everyone, meets his deadline, and therefore keeps his promise. I think this is how it will happen. Steve doesn't like to apologize or make excuses-he wasn't thrilled when the Pepsi promotion only netted a couple of million songs for iTunes, and the iTMS missed its mark.

Anyway, I think the only reason this announcement bothered me at all was the lack of excitement in the interviews with Boger. He really gave us nothing to look forward to at all (no G5iMac soon, no G5 PB soon, etc.). We all know they've been having cooling problems, but this just seemed real deflating.

Anyway, my 2¢

Regards,
Gus

 

[jxyama]

I think you're missing the point... every business wants you to upgrade, but Apple has a DUAL PROCESSOR machine... that means right off the bat it is a higher-end piece of hardware. They should be going to 1GB right off the line. The fact that they won't even start theirs at 512MB is absurd...

i agree, these duals should ship with at least 512 MB. (i guess that would be 2 x 256 MB since they need to come in pairs, right?) that adds $100, at most, to the cost of each PM. for a computer with dual processors costing $2000+, it's unacceptable to short change the user on such a petty level on the default configuration that it's hardly usable out of the box.

 

[klaus]

We all know that Steve and the engineers at Apple have to have a couple of functioning 3Ghz G5 processors at Cupertino for testing, etc. So...


At WWDC, Steve will be doing his presentations on the only Dual-3Ghz PowerMac G5 in existence. He gets to show off whats in store for everyone, meets his deadline, and therefore keeps his promise. I think this is how it will happen. Steve doesn't like to apologize or make excuses-he wasn't thrilled when the Pepsi promotion only netted a couple of million songs for iTunes, and the iTMS missed its mark.

Anyway, I think the only reason this announcement bothered me at all was the lack of excitement in the interviews with Boger. He really gave us nothing to look forward to at all (no G5iMac soon, no G5 PB soon, etc.). We all know they've been having cooling problems, but this just seemed real deflating.

Anyway, my 2¢

Regards,
Gus

Djeezes, do any of you guys read other threads in this forum, or other news-sites? Boger, chief of powermac line for apple, said himself, 3 ghz will not be anytime soon!, sure it can be within 4-5 months, but that's not soon, WWDC is soon, there will not be 3ghz at wwdc, just stop already, it's very annoying, and I think a lot of people share the same feelings on this subject

 

[BakedBeans]

why are people calling this an upgrade???

they have lowered the spec of 2 of the existing pms and brought in a new one

why lower the specs for the dual 1.8
and why give the dual 2.0 a really crap graphics card

HOW COULD WE BE HAPPY WITH THAT?????

 

[BornAgainMac]

We got longhorned!

 

[jxyama]

At WWDC, Steve will be doing his presentations on the only Dual-3Ghz PowerMac G5 in existence. He gets to show off whats in store for everyone, meets his deadline, and therefore keeps his promise. I think this is how it will happen.

no way. he won't show off a machine that can't be shipped in the near future simply because it will drop the sales of existing machines. who'll buy the current PMs if people know 3 GHz can be done but not on a massive scale? people waited a year for the rev. B PM until now. i don't see why they won't wait for another year.

i doubt he will even bother mentioning about the "promise" of 3 GHz. he'll just say it was harder than expected, but 2.5 GHz is pretty good. that's all he will say.