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Everyone I know uses Waze

So they are using Google one way or another.

Waze Mobile Ltd, formerly FreeMap Israel, is a subsidiary company of Google

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No one has mentioned that Apple TV has remained $99 a year on an annual plan. No increase and considerably less expensive than the others. Furthermore, in a bundled Apple plan (TV, Music, etc.) it remains a bargain. And I find enough variety and new shows/seasons that I like that subscribing year round makes sense.
 
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There's a big difference between there are no plans and we'll never put ads in any of Apple TV subscriptions. One the door to ads is open the second the door is closed.
 
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Love the quality of Apple TV as well!

Despite having Pixels for years, and such, I can't get myself to buy into YouTube. Google dropping their Music service and forcing users into YouTube Music is something I still do not forgive them for. It broke so much that took ages to fix so I just don't trust them for paid media content to this day. :( .
The quality is excellent. The content? Not so much. Youtube premium is the best value by far if you could have any one streamer. I might bite on netflix a couple times a year. That's about it. Parents have cable and hbo. Usually mooch off that. But it's a handful of times that i actually watch it. For movies, it's an occasional itunes purchase. Or picking up an old bundled series for cheap. Disney got old quick. No interest.
 
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Have you seen the prices they charge for things? Have you been in an Apple Store? They charge $700 for wheels and $1,000 for a LCD stand, they are a premium brand.
I didn't mean the prices they charge; I meant the quality.
 
The quality is excellent. The content? Not so much. Youtube premium is the best value by far if you could have any one streamer. I might bite on netflix a couple times a year. That's about it. Parents have cable and hbo. Usually mooch off that. But it's a handful of times that i actually watch it. For movies, it's an occasional itunes purchase. Or picking up an old bundled series for cheap. Disney got old quick. No interest.
Yeah, I see how YouTube has huge value to many. Not only do you get their content, or stuff they license without ads, you also get creator content without ads which can be nice. Subscription fatigue is totally a thing, so I get going for one that has the most for you!

Frustrated overall with the landscape of cord cutting in general. Outside of the direct content from the various firms, many of the shows bounce around various streaming or for purchase sites over the past couple of decades and it is mostly the customers who lose out. There are many series shows I can't finish because they have moved from Apple (or others) to services I don't have, or, went from selling episodes / seasons to streaming only.
 
Good to hear but is most probably a ‘No’ for now. Will not be surprised to see an increase in prices and a new ad free tier will take the current TV monthly price.
 
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This 👆
Say what we want about the companies involved and certainly how awful Google is in so many ways ... They do care about their data quality on Google Maps, which is what I care about.

Yah. Sending updates to Apple Maps has gotten so aggravating that I rarely do it. One instance... an ATM. It was mapped to a completely wrong location in a parking lot. I submitted an update while parked in front of it, along with a photo that had the GPS information embedded. Rejected. I repeatedly tried to get them to recognize that the occupational health office for my employer was open under the rename of that employer, not permanently closed like they had it listed. I provided a web page and phone number. It took 3 tries. What worked on the 3rd try? Including a screen cap of Google Streetview showing the signage. THAT is what it took. Apple Maps sucks.
 
Apple TV has "no plans" to launch an ad-supported streaming tier for the platform, according to Apple's head of services Eddy Cue, speaking in interview with Screen International.
Living in 2025 be like: journalists caving in for companies to rip off users by introducing “ad tiers” for paid subscription plans🤦‍♂️

And these same people are meant to represent consumers…

Surely I am glad that Apple “has no plans currently”, but that should be seemed as morally bad to introduce advertisements to paid users. I just hope piracy returns and ones introducing such plans will feel the wrath of it
 
I don't know anyone that uses google maps any more unless they are on the web (android users aside). There is just no real reason to.

Anyone have a bad apple maps experience? it was rough the first two years but that was ages ago.

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It has gotten better but it is still not that great internationally, if you don't know where you're going. I often use it, because it looks better, but I often switch to google maps when I can see that Apple is clearly not getting the right address. E.g. it sometimes wants to send me to streets that are 2 countries and hundreds of kilometers away, despite the nearest street with the exact same name being in the City where I am. There's no working auto-complete, if you want to enter a street address number after the street name (which is common in Europe). Sure there's autocomplete, but after completing, it directly goes to search, and you can't correct or add something to your input after that. So you have to fully enter a street name (including the word "street") and then the address number if you want to go somewhere specifically. And last but not least, recently I was searching for the next "Flying Tiger" Shop - the full name of the company is "Flying Tiger Copenhagen", which Apple Maps in carplay "conveniently" autocompleted - guess in which 1100km away city all search results of "Flying Tiger Copenhagen" showed up? Google Maps does none of this.
 
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Yup, such a funny rule! Those pesky villains would be a lot more successful if they were using the proper equipment!
Yeah it’s stupid, especially when you are not supposed to know who the bad guy is.

Oh look, he hardly ever using his phone and when he does it’s in a case.
 
Yah. Sending updates to Apple Maps has gotten so aggravating that I rarely do it. One instance... an ATM. It was mapped to a completely wrong location in a parking lot. I submitted an update while parked in front of it, along with a photo that had the GPS information embedded. Rejected. I repeatedly tried to get them to recognize that the occupational health office for my employer was open under the rename of that employer, not permanently closed like they had it listed. I provided a web page and phone number. It took 3 tries. What worked on the 3rd try? Including a screen cap of Google Streetview showing the signage. THAT is what it took. Apple Maps sucks.

This story is so emblematic of the issues with Apple and their attitude towards others*.

* could be other companies, jurisdictions, developers ... anyone
 
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To each our own I guess.
I love the YT Premium + Music combo.

YT Music is absolutely ace for discovery and interesting variations since so much off label/live/bootleg/alternative stuff can be accessed.
I understand and respect your viewpoint for sure!

I was all, and I mean ALL in on Google Play Music, enough that I had abandoned iTunes Match and stopped buying content from Apple.

To this day, Google still drops or changes services I like, so I simply do not trust them as a main media source. Dropping Assistant, forcing broken Gemini (not as broken as Apple Intelligence but still broken) and killing older Nest devices from even functioning in a basic form, have not helped me reverse my dislike for their services.

Discovery and such on Apple Music have been better than I expected, but I also monitor podcasts and other sources for discovery of the style of music I enjoy.
 
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I understand and respect your viewpoint for sure!

I was all, and I mean ALL in on Google Play Music, enough that I had abandoned iTunes Match and stopped buying content from Apple.

To this day, Google still drops or changes services I like, so I simply do not trust them as a main media source. Dropping Assistant, forcing broken Gemini (not as broken as Apple Intelligence but still broken) and killing older Nest devices from even functioning in a basic form, have not helped me reverse my dislike for their services.

Discovery and such on Apple Music have been better than I expected, but I also monitor podcasts and other sources for discovery of the style of music I enjoy.

No disagreement about Google, at all.

I don't have much regard for Apple in these discussions though, either, all the way back to when iTunes was not respecting user metadata enough or when iTunes match was swapping my versions of songs for w/e it had in ITs catalog.

Too many times I got burned early on and I haven't been interested in Apple Music "anything" ever since.

To this day, I just want iTunes back as a standalone, not connected to AM in any way, App for those who do local music libraries, buy music, use iPods, etc.
 
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No disagreement about Google, at all.

I don't have much regard for Apple in these discussions though, either, all the way back to when iTunes was not respecting user metadata enough or when iTunes match was swapping my versions of songs for w/e it had in ITs catalog.

Too many times I got burned early on and I haven't been interested in Apple Music "anything" ever since.

To this day, I just want iTunes back as a standalone, not connected to AM in any way, App for those who do local music libraries, buy music, use iPods, etc.
Agreed!

Both sides have done stupid things (IMO) that are anti consumer. I still to this day purchase my music after I discover something and notice my play count is high. Those purchases are usually on sites such as HD Tracks (or similar sites), and I resumed to employ iTunes Match and family sharing to get those songs onto all of my devices.

Frustrating that I have to do any workaround due to a lack of trust, but I also enjoy owning my music for offline listening, or to listen on my non-connected devices.
 
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That was never the point.
It was a nice benefit, especially in the early days when Netflix pretty much was the only streamer in town, but it was never the point.
The point was to make money, of course, but also to have a proper Internet based replacement for cable TV that did away with that format‘s biggest annoyances, scheduled TV watching, more on demand content, and availability from devices that weren’t your television like your computer, and later your phone and tablet.
These days the market is completely different.

You are conflating two different things here, of course it's to make money. That's what the ads are for in the first place. That doesn't mean that subscription models weren't offered as a market alternative for people who don't like ad breaks. The only way the market has changed is that people have internet instead of cable boxes.
 
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