No, Apple CEO Tim Cook Didn't Say He Prefers Logitech's MX Master 3 Over the Magic Mouse

[Victor Mortimer]

Funnily enough, this was the excuse that I and many of my colleagues used when explaining the puck mouse to customers back when that was the thing that came with all desktop Macs. "It has a bump on the middle of the button to keep your hand oriented. It is meant to be gripped by your fingertips instead of resting your palm. Orient the mouse then curl your fingers over to keep it in the correct position and it works great." And actually, it did work quite well.

The thing is, though, that "correct positioning" lessons don't matter. As soon as you have to give a tutorial on how to use a mouse correctly, you've already lost the "it just works" battle. Because that thing that is supposed to be second-nature and work right out-of-the-box doesn't actually work intuitively.

We sold a lot - and I mean A LOT - of Macally mice in the late 90's and early 00's.

Oh, I know. The hockey puck wasn't a great design. And Macally mice sold really well back then, as did ADB > USB adapters and snap-on mouse covers, I've still got a new in box one of those somewhere.

No Apple mouse before or after had that level of replacement.

The first hockey puck didn't even have the bump, that was a later concession to how much of a problem a round mouse was. But as far as tutorials on how to use a mouse correctly, almost everybody had to have those in the early '80s when mice were a new thing, lots of people didn't automatically know how to use it. And there were lots of people complaining about it, they didn't like having to move a hand away from the keyboard, claimed it slowed them down.

And the best fix for the round mouse was just pulling the colored panels off. It took just enough of the round shape away that it was easy to position it. Wasn't as pretty, was a lot easier to grab without looking at it.

 

[breenmask]

What circumstances? I'm an actual designer so I would love to know this.

The circumstances that Apple refuses to use PVC materials in their cables.

Explained here: https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...-3-over-the-magic-mouse.2443270/post-33576678

For the record, the MX Master 3, which I use for my actual design work, has the charging port on the front.

MX Master 3 probably includes a cable that uses PVC for better durability.

 

[cmichaelb]

Whoa. How long did it take you to get used to that? I've heard those vertical mice are significantly more ergonomic because that's the "default" position for your wrist. You're actually having to twist your wrist to lay it flat on a table like with traditional mice.

About a week to adjust. Feels great and natural, you aren't turning wrist at all. My hand just falls in place naturally. I even had my local PD buy me one to use at work.

 

[cmichaelb]

I can’t comment on practicality of this but it look horrible.

Once you go vertical, you can't go back, it's too comfortable.

 

[The Spif]

About a week to adjust. Feels great and natural, you aren't turning wrist at all. My hand just falls in place naturally. I even had my local PD buy me one to use at work.

Interesting... I have seen these for years, but always felt the sensitivity would be reduced because of using large muscle groups for fine maneuvering - arm vs wrist.

 

[v0lume4]

About a week to adjust. Feels great and natural, you aren't turning wrist at all. My hand just falls in place naturally. I even had my local PD buy me one to use at work.

I need to get one of those to go one day. Thank you for answering. 🙂

 

[nebojsak]

I'm relatively OK with its ergonomics (I've managed to hold it different from other standard mice), but the actual downside of Magic Mouse for me is its imprecision (guess it's largely due to the BT connection only). The 360° scroll is handy for use in Logic Pro or Excel, but when I'm doing pixel-precise design and need to do it fast and accurately, every wired $20 gaming mouse is the better option.

 

[H2SO4]

Roughly 75% of the surface is touch sensitive — up to the Apple logo. That’s very forgiving and superior to a fixed scroll wheel.

So not the whole surface.........

 

[cmichaelb]

I need to get one of those to go one day. Thank you for answering. 🙂

You're welcome! If you use a wrist rest that moves too (like the allsop), you don't even have to bend wrist, just move your lower arm.

 

[cmichaelb]

Interesting... I have seen these for years, but always felt the sensitivity would be reduced because of using large muscle groups for fine maneuvering - arm vs wrist.

Might be. I don't play FPSs or anything like that, so no issue there.

 

[The Spif]

I'm relatively OK with its ergonomics (I've managed to hold it different from other standard mice), but the actual downside of Magic Mouse for me is its imprecision (guess it's largely due to the BT connection only). The 360° scroll is handy for use in Logic Pro or Excel, but when I'm doing pixel-precise design and need to do it fast and accurately, every wired $20 gaming mouse is the better option.

I, for one, do not understand the fixation of a wireless mouse/ keyboard or "chiclet" keyboards. Give me wired and a proper mechanical switch keyboard any day of the week!

 

[deevey]

I, for one, do not understand the fixation of a wireless mouse/ keyboard or "chiclet" keyboards. Give me wired and a proper mechanical switch keyboard any day of the week!

Everyone has their own preference. Personally I prefer wires not cluttering up an otherwise already cluttered workspace. Bluetooth works great for just about everything except gaming. Flatter keys are IMHO more comfortable and I can use them for longer with less fatigue and less mistypes.

I have a Logicool G in front of me right now that I got a couple of months ago and Logitech RF mouse that I've had for years. I'm finding the keyboard however quite tiring in comparison to my old (non mechanical) chiclet keyboard after a long day. I might try a low profile mechanical with flatter keys in the future and see how it goes. But it will be wireless - RF wireless mind you.

 

[The Spif]

Everyone has their own preference. Personally I prefer wires not cluttering up an otherwise already cluttered workspace. Bluetooth works great for just about everything except gaming. Flatter keys are IMHO more comfortable and I can use them for longer with less fatigue and less mistypes.

I have a Logicool G in front of me right now that I got a couple of months ago and Logitech RF mouse that I've had for years. I'm finding the keyboard however quite tiring in comparison to my old (non mechanical) chiclet keyboard after a long day. I might try a low profile mechanical with flatter keys in the future and see how it goes. But it will be wireless - RF wireless mind you.

Absolutely agree! There are folks our there who like Dvorak keyboards, others who prefer chording, and a few really like the split keyboards - I seem to recall seeing one where the two halves were somewhat vertical for a natural hand position. To each their own, but I still don't understand it.

 

[nebojsak]

As if the gaming is the only field that requires fast and precise mouse.

I'm using Magic Mouse regularly for some other work, but when I need pixel precise fast design, I pull out my cheap wired A4 tech gaming mouse. Magic doesn't come even close.

I don't understand many things in this world, but keep it to myself.