No, Apple CEO Tim Cook Didn't Say He Prefers Logitech's MX Master 3 Over the Magic Mouse

The MX Master 3 isn't perfect either though. The scrolling is hyper-aggressive and often takes off at mach-12. It's not uncommon to get bluetooth drops out. And critically on mine, the main click button seems to have developed problems after a few months.

The MX keyboard also has a huge flaw that it doesn't work in a wired mode...

I wish that Apple would add a first-party "pro" mouse with better ergonomics, improved charging, more controls, and the ability to actually click both mouse buttons at the same time...

This was a cool design, but still missing some of the needed features:
www.yankodesign.com

The ‘Magic Mouse Pro’ is the premium ergonomic wireless mouse that Apple never made - Yanko Design

With an ambidextrous design, upgraded laser tracking, a dedicated middle-scroll button (for CAD users), and a repositioned charging port, the Magic Mouse Pro is the wireless mouse we wish Apple would just make already. The Magic Mouse may just be Apple's oldest, most unchanged product ever...
www.yankodesign.com www.yankodesign.com
 
t0rqx said:
Too bad Logitech mouse doesnt work on Mac OS. It doesnt master the smooth scrolling.
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There's control panel app called SteerMouse, it would fix that (and allow to tweak almost any mouse or trackball as well). Costs money though, but IMO worth it.

Managed to make Master 3S buttons and scroll usable after some tweaking and testing.
 
H2SO4 said:
Why don't you tell us where you think we're going wrong?
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it's pretty simple
- MM2 has a built in battery and Apple wants users to charge with the provided Apple lightning cable due to its ubiquitous nature.
- Common cables use PVC material which are durable, cheap, and scalable to produce but toxic for the environment. Apple decide to not use PVC.
- The downside of not using PVC is that the cable cannot withstand the tug and pull from a mouse. You'd be replacing cables yearly.
- So that's why Apple decided to include the front charging port on the keyboard/trackpad, but not the mouse. - Instead, the packed in a quick charge feature so you'll get a day's battery life in the same amount of time it takes you to swap AA batteries on the old MM1.

Now tell me where the error is.
 
Serqetry said:
As far as scroll wheels go... I think they are obnoxious technology from early '90s PCs and they deserve to die in fire. They aren't even real wheel encoders (with a few exceptions now in some mice), they are click wheels with only a few positions. They are so stupid. I also hate that they are the middle button, so I'm pushing on a wheel to click.
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I am assuming that when you talk about "real wheel encoders" you're talking about mice that scroll without the ratcheting mechanism. You can turn ratcheting off on the higher end (again, MX series) mice and use the wheel in "real wheel" mode (it can also switches between those modes on the fly). You can also set the "mode switch" button that sits just under the scroll wheel to be your middle button.

You are right, of course, that scroll wheels are an early 90's PC technology (or, if you prefer, an early 2000's Mac technology). That doesn't meant that the functionality isn't just as useful today as it was when we were using it to switch weapons in Quake II. I mean, the mouse itself is mid-1970s technology, and it's still pretty useful, too.

Serqetry said:
A long time ago I had a very unusual mouse that I've never been able to find evidence of existing, but it had a small trackball for scrolling and it did both horizontal and vertical. And the middle button was shorter and placed right above it, so the trackball was not a button. It was an absolutely amazing design, although it was just made of cheap plastic like other PC mice. I really wish this design caught on. But since they didn't and mice like this no longer exist, the Magic Mouse is the next best thing when it comes to scrolling.
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What you're describing sounds almost like the Apple Mighty Mouse, but that mouse didn't have any buttons on it. Closest image I can find to something even resembling that mouse (that isn't that mouse) is some of the old IBM mice that had a trackpoint as a scrolling mechanism.
 
Serqetry said:
A long time ago I had a very unusual mouse that I've never been able to find evidence of existing, but it had a small trackball for scrolling and it did both horizontal and vertical. And the middle button was shorter and placed right above it, so the trackball was not a button. It was an absolutely amazing design, although it was just made of cheap plastic like other PC mice. I really wish this design caught on. But since they didn't and mice like this no longer exist, the Magic Mouse is the next best thing when it comes to scrolling.
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😁 like the original Mighty Mouse ?
 
deevey said:
😁 like the original Mighty Mouse ?
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Yes sort of, but the trackball was more of a real free-spinning trackball about twice the diameter of the ball in the Mighty Mouse, and it didn't get gummed up the same way, and you didn't have to break it open to clean it. It had 3 individual buttons instead of one big finger-detecting button. I liked the Mighty Mouse but it had some issues. This mouse didn't look like an Apple product but it functioned much better.
 
2128506 said:
There's control panel app called SteerMouse, it would fix that (and allow to tweak almost any mouse or trackball as well). Costs money though, but IMO worth it.

Managed to make Master 3S buttons and scroll usable after some tweaking and testing.
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Read about it. Just cant justify buying a non compatible product and buy some 3rd party software to fix it.
 
breenmask said:
it's pretty simple
- MM2 has a built in battery and Apple wants users to charge with the provided Apple lightning cable due to its ubiquitous nature.
- Common cables use PVC material which are durable, cheap, and scalable to produce but toxic for the environment. Apple decide to not use PVC.
- The downside of not using PVC is that the cable cannot withstand the tug and pull from a mouse. You'd be replacing cables yearly.
- So that's why Apple decided to include the front charging port on the keyboard/trackpad, but not the mouse. - Instead, the packed in a quick charge feature so you'll get a day's battery life in the same amount of time it takes you to swap AA batteries on the old MM1.

Now tell me where the error is.
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How much of this is fact and how much is supposition?
 
Well... it's true.

I have a Magic Mouse, it's uncomfortable and not particularly good as a mouse. The only saving grace is the integration into MacOS. It now sits in my drawer.

Meanwhile I have two MX Master 3's (one at home and one in my office) plus for my travel mouse I have a MX Anywhere 3S in my laptop bag. They're great, comfortable and with the software integrate well into Mac OS.

The Magic Mouse is entirely form over function.
 
v0lume4 said:
I just want to say that the Magic Mouse is the most unergonomic mouse I've ever used.
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I would hazard a guess you never used the Apple Hockey Puck mouse... it was a REAL winner! Because Apple designs never favor form over function.

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Suxamethonium said:
The Magic Mouse is entirely form over function.
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No, it's actually almost all function, because the whole surface is a touch interface that no other mouse can compete with.

And it may be uncomfortable for you, but it is not uncomfortable for everyone. Quite the opposite for some of us.

I just really wish it wasn't bluetooth.
 
Serqetry said:
No, it's actually almost all function, because the whole surface is a touch interface that no other mouse can compete with.

And it may be uncomfortable for you, but it is not uncomfortable for everyone. Quite the opposite for some of us.

I just really wish it wasn't bluetooth.
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NO. The whole surface is not touch sensitive, it just looks like it. Try yours and see.
In addition, I'd suggest, (or rather using the number of people I've spoken to about it both on and offline), that most find it crap and uncomfortable.
 
v0lume4 said:
Holy cow it actually CAN get worse. 🙈 Apple's hubris goes wayyy back.
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That wasn't just limited to the iMac of the time, either. The same puck mouse and the most cheaply made keyboard imaginable was also included with the G3 and G4 workstations of that era. Luckily that mouse's era only lasted a few years before Apple switched back to an oblong optical mouse for their machines. Unfortunately, the incredibly cheaply-made keyboard that also accompanied those machines lasted for a lot longer.
 
H2SO4 said:
NO. The whole surface is not touch sensitive, it just looks like it. Try yours and see.
In addition, I'd suggest, (or rather using the number of people I've spoken to about it both on and offline), that most find it crap and uncomfortable.
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Roughly 75% of the surface is touch sensitive — up to the Apple logo. That’s very forgiving and superior to a fixed scroll wheel.
 
The Spif said:
I would hazard a guess you never used the Apple Hockey Puck mouse... it was a REAL winner! Because Apple designs never favor form over function.

Apple_USB_Mouse.JPG
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The hockey puck mouse was indeed an awful design that favored form over function, but at least Steve Jobs learned his lesson and totally discontinued that mouse, next releasing something that bore no resemblance to it, which prioritized function over form.

Tim Cook is not like that at all. Cook is willing to stick to the same form-over-function design for several years. Cook doesn't learn his lesson.
 
Neil J. Squillante said:
Roughly 75% of the surface is touch sensitive — up to the Apple logo. That’s very forgiving and superior to a fixed scroll wheel.
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How so? A scroll wheel provides tactile feedback and does lead to a stupid zoom in to a webpage that leads to your elderly mother calling you in a panic because she can't get the web browser to zoom back out again.
 
breenmask said:
and no, the charge port on the bottom is the correct position. every actual designer knows this. it's legitimately the best position given the circumstances. people who keep saying apple wouldn't put it on the front due to aesthetics reasons can't explain why apple put it on the front of the keyboard and trackpad and not on the mouse. maybe if they thought about it for 5 secs, they would know why
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What circumstances? I'm an actual designer so I would love to know this. For the record, the MX Master 3, which I use for my actual design work, has the charging port on the front.
 
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