No, Apple CEO Tim Cook Didn't Say He Prefers Logitech's MX Master 3 Over the Magic Mouse

[Stella]

The MX keyboard and mouse are both great, but Logitech’s software is the worst. If the software was just to enable the custom controls, maybe it would be better. Unfortunately, it’s a service that has grown over the years and takes a huge amount of system resources on the Mac and Windows. The almost daily updates don’t help. Then there’s the fact that many can’t install the software on work computers. It would be nice if they would have a simple option for using their devices.

Logitech provide an 'offline' version that doesn't include the AI stuff.

Also, I think, IIRC, they've also updated the installer so you can exclude the AI upon install.

 

[nostradumbass]

That's great that it's ambidextrous. That doesn't change the fact that it is compromised due to that pursuit. It ends up serving both left-handers and right-handers more poorly as a result.

That's the natural downside but most office users don't care much. It's just something to push around on the desk. An Autocad or Blender user or gamer on the other hand would buy a mouse specifically for their tastes.

 

[TinyMito]

Magic Mouse hurts my hand, ergonomic design is extremely terrible. I prefer touchpad if non-other mouse available.

 

[Truben]

Why isn’t a black keyboard without numeric keys listed? I would be too much to ask if it had retro illumination?

 

[jakey rolling]

A fixed scroll wheel is objectively inferior to a forgiving touch surface. Q.E.D.

Not even close to "objective". Physical buttons and wheels are far more intuitive and less error-prone.

In my case, the physical wheel is also far superior for another very often-used feature. There are quite a few times where I find myself quickly scrolling up or down a lot of distance (working on large documents, doom-scrolling comment sections or Reddit, or even scrolling through the list of SQL objects on a client's system or a particularly long SQL query or other source code). My physical wheel has a lock-unlock mechanism where I just have to give it a quick "flick" upwards or downwards and the wheel will spin for quite some time before it would stop (typically, I reach the area I'm looking for long before it runs out of steam). Perhaps there's a gesture that could mimic this on a touch surface, but not nearly as elegantly as the fixed wheel could.

 

[barabba9174-bis]

I have 8 Mx 3/3S mice and only one Magic Mouse (mostly never used) for a reason.

 

[v0lume4]

Well, it may be good for some but there's no doubt most mice out there, especially in that price range, look much more like they've been designed with a real human hand in mind and not some ideal of pure abstract symmetrical design. It is a form-over-function object.

Oh, I think we're on the same page and your original reply to me was tongue in cheek. Went over my head!

 

[Tago]

See? All that nice mousy goodness and my wrist sitting nice and comfy on the desktop.

Would argue you are "twisting your wrist" inwards wich causes "an outward stretch to the underarm", like with my MX Master. Hard to avoid without picking a vertical mouse, which I believe is a more ideal solution...

 

[ThrowerGB]

Maybe you should try one before saying such a thing

I've tried and tried over months to get Logitech's Ergonomic mouse to work smoothly on my Studio M1 Max. There are many posts on this issue in quite a few forums. But I haven't found one yet that fixes the problem. I've talked with Logitech & Apple. Neither of them can provide a solution.
@con2apple Have you tried the Logitech mice on a Studio M1 Max? If you know of a way to make it work please let us know. I'd be very grateful.

 

[Fluffyk]

My thoughts here are thus;
How long had you been using a 'normal' mouse for?
Had all those, months/years/decades been with a Magic Mouse is it possible that you may have had a bout of RSI or similar from that device?
For me, my hand feels closer to and spends more time in its relaxed position when on a mouse that is shaped less like the magic mouse.

I’ve been using regular mouse since 3 years old with that rubber ball. So it’s been 28 years. I feel old.

 

[Fluffyk]

Interesting. I fixed mine by using an MX Veritical Mouse

and Allsop wrist rest.

I can’t comment on practicality of this but it look horrible.

 

[Fluffyk]

I believe you. It’s because the Magic Mouse allows your arm and wrist to remain on the desk, which reduces the strain on your shoulder. We hired an ergonomic consultant once who took photos of us working. Among her findings, I had my arms and wrists elevated, causing shoulder strain. A wrist rest fixed that for the keyboard and the Magic Mouse best addresses this for cursor control. I never liked mouse wrists rests because of how much you need to move your arm.

Glad to hear that I don’t have to feel alien for my experience.

 

[Fluffyk]

It's a mouse, not a handrest. I think that's the problem with everybody claiming the MM is not ergonomic, they're trying to rest their hand on it like they do with one of those crappy asymetrical mice. I had to look up the MX Master 3, and if I ever had to touch one of those it would be going across the room and as far through the wall as I can throw it. It's not as evil as those idiotic shark fin mice (you've seen them, they're advertised to help carpal tunnel, they keep your hand turned sideways. Those and trackballs are part of why I always have a small wired mouse in my bag, gotta have something to plug in when the user has an unusable mouse.)

If you're using a mouse properly, you'll never feel the shape of it on your hand, because you're not resting your whole hand on it.

Logitech has always been a mixed bag, over the years they've built some good mice and some bad ones. That MX Master 3 is one of the worst of the worst from them. Apple has only ever built one bad mouse - the hockey puck. No surprise that Steve Jobs was partially responsible for that idiocy getting out the door. But even the hockey puck could be fixed pretty easily, just remove the colored plastic bits and it's not round any more.

TL;DR: If you think the Magic Mouse is not ergonomic, and not in fact one of the most ergonomic mice available, you are, in fact, holding it wrong.

I’m glad that some people can appreciate the Magic Mouse.

 

[H2SO4]

I’ve been using regular mouse since 3 years old with that rubber ball. So it’s been 28 years. I feel old.

You don't thibnk that 28 years of use of the same device, (regardless of what that device was), might have had something to do with it?

 

[xaanaax]

It blows my mind how people use this mouse, the profile is too low… not to mention the charging port under it…

 

[seanmcbay]

I’ve used the same Magic Mouse for over a decade. I really like it, except for playing games.

 

[seanmcbay]

It blows my mind how people use this mouse, the profile is too low… not to mention the charging port under it…

I don’t find it too low. I also use one that takes AA batteries so that isn’t a problem for me.

 

[Larry_G]

If he said he prefers the Magic Mouse vs the Logitech he’s either a liar or has not used the Logitech. Apple has a lousy track record with both design and reliability with so many peripheral devices (including <$5k displays).

 

[Serqetry]

How dare someone sully their workflow with such an ugly piece of input device just because they'd rather go through life without an RSI.

Just looking at that twisted sideways freakshow is giving me an RSI.

 

[Serqetry]

If he said he prefers the Magic Mouse vs the Logitech he’s either a liar or has not used the Logitech.

Oh yeah sure, they're lying if they prefer the Magic Mouse over the Logitech. Yeah that's it. Couldn't possibly be because they aren't you and people have different hands.

I've tried pretty much all the Logitech mice and all the "ergonomic" ones have hideous shapes that are not comfortable. I can't stand to use non-ambidextrous mice in general, but those Logitech ones are some of the worst.

How about this? If you prefer the Logitech over the Magic Mouse, either you are lying or you haven't used the Magic Mouse for more than 5 seconds in an Apple Store.

The only thing Logitech (and other brands) mice have over the Magic Mouse, is that Apple insists on making them Bluetooth only, which is really dumb. I would kill for a fast high-DPI Magic Mouse that uses a better wireless connection like RF. Even wired would be acceptable.

 

[Serqetry]

My physical wheel has a lock-unlock mechanism where I just have to give it a quick "flick" upwards or downwards and the wheel will spin for quite some time before it would stop (typically, I reach the area I'm looking for long before it runs out of steam). Perhaps there's a gesture that could mimic this on a touch surface, but not nearly as elegantly as the fixed wheel could.

So, you're saying you've never tried the Magic Mouse at all.. beceause that's exactly how the touch scrolling works.

 

[deevey]

Love Apple keyboard, love the trackpads - absolutely could not work with the Magic Mouse, Just too damn heavy. And I've had two of them.

It absolutely makes sense that the charger is underneath the Magic Mouse, there is nowhere to physically place the port without breaking up the clean lines and charging it every couple of weeks is certainly no big deal.

How about this? If you prefer the Logitech over the Magic Mouse, either you are lying or you haven't used the Magic Mouse for more than 5 seconds in an Apple Store.

I used one for two months and tried to force myself to like the second one for a month or so. Nope - back to a Logitech.

I didn't have anything against the The Magic Mouse's ergonomics, I don't think it's particularly good or bad but it weighs more than double my Logitech and I happen to like a wheel for scrolling, buttons for clicking and knobs for turning.

 

[SFjohn]

The funniest story about the hockey puck was John Carmack flat out telling Steve Jobs to his face that the mouse sucked.

Truly an abomination all across the board. Single button too.

I remember it well. It was absolutely beautiful, but difficult to use as you had to keep checking where it’s tail was constantly… 😉

 

[H2SO4]

and no, the charge port on the bottom is the correct position. every actual designer knows this. it's legitimately the best position given the circumstances. people who keep saying apple wouldn't put it on the front due to aesthetics reasons can't explain why apple put it on the front of the keyboard and trackpad and not on the mouse. maybe if they thought about it for 5 secs, they would know why

Why don't you tell us where you think we're going wrong?

 

[Serqetry]

I didn't have anything against the The Magic Mouse's ergonomics, I don't think it's particularly good or bad but it weighs more than double my Logitech and I happen to like a wheel for scrolling, buttons for clicking and knobs for turning.

I don't think it's that it's too heavy... I think it's actually a really nice weight, but I think the problem is the skis on the bottom aren't slippery. The Magic Mouse would be much better with some super slick teflon pads or something. The plastic skis have way too much friction... especially on a mouse pad. So this is one flaw in the Magic Mouse I complain about.

As far as scroll wheels go... I think they are obnoxious technology from early '90s PCs and they deserve to die in fire. They aren't even real wheel encoders (with a few exceptions now in some mice), they are click wheels with only a few positions. They are so stupid. I also hate that they are the middle button, so I'm pushing on a wheel to click.

A long time ago I had a very unusual mouse that I've never been able to find evidence of existing, but it had a small trackball for scrolling and it did both horizontal and vertical. And the middle button was shorter and placed right above it, so the trackball was not a button. It was an absolutely amazing design, although it was just made of cheap plastic like other PC mice. I really wish this design caught on. But since they didn't and mice like this no longer exist, the Magic Mouse is the next best thing when it comes to scrolling.