No excuses to not go OLED anymore - Samsung Galaxy S2 shows the way

[DDustiNN]

So, the answer is no, you haven't owned one, put one in your pocket or used one as a daily device. You saw and touched a few in store and balked at the size without attempting to see if it's useful. That puts you in a poor position to dismiss the larger handsets as bad designs and criticize their usability.

What are you talking about? You're not even making sense. My iPad is useful, but I sure don't carry that around with me everywhere I go. I very clearly stated that the larger phones do not fit in the pocket I want them to go in. I never once mentioned "bad designs" or "usability" - simply put, if it's too big, it's not coming with me. End of story.

I have my keys in one pocket and money clip & credit cards in the other. The phone goes in the "other" pocket so it doesn't get scratched. And no I don't want to combine the items because that will be too much in one pocket.

I've been using the same setup for many years, so don't act like you know what's best for everybody. The iPhone 4 (and my previous phones) fit perfectly in the 5th pocket. Anything bigger will not, which means I will not buy. Why is that so hard for you to grasp?

 

[chrmjenkins]

You made sweeping statements about why larger phones are unsuitable solely because they are bigger. I had to press twice to get the real reason for saying so (5th pocket fitting is a must for you). Too often there are uninformed consumers who disagree with something on principle without understanding their choice. I was testing to see if that is indeed the case with you.

 

[Sedrick]

What are you talking about? You're not even making sense. My iPad is useful, but I sure don't carry that around with me everywhere I go. I very clearly stated that the larger phones do not fit in the pocket I want them to go in. I never once mentioned "bad designs" or "usability" - simply put, if it's too big, it's not coming with me. End of story.

I have my keys in one pocket and money clip & credit cards in the other. The phone goes in the "other" pocket so it doesn't get scratched. And no I don't want to combine the items because that will be too much in one pocket.

I've been using the same setup for many years, so don't act like you know what's best for everybody. The iPhone 4 (and my previous phones) fit perfectly in the 5th pocket. Anything bigger will not, which means I will not buy. Why is that so hard for you to grasp?

Apple has an iPhone Nano waiting for you. I agree 4.3 it generally too big (but the EVO has a rounded back and quite nice to use), but a 4" phone is hardly bigger than the iPhone. I'll mention the Samsung Captivate again. With it's thinness and curved back, you hardly notice it in your pocket. No one should freakout over the size difference between these two devices.

 

[2IS]

Uh, EVERYTHING ELSE.

As if battery life, contrast ratio, pixel response and refresh rate are meaningless and the only thing that matters is cramming more pixels on an already-too-tiny-to-see cellphone screen?

Or not... Pixel response is pretty meaningless for a phone actually. I'd much rather have the higher pixel density. Contrast ratio is better, but colors over-saturated IMO and not as natural looking as they are on the iPhone.

In other words, it's not better. Its merely different.

 

[DDustiNN]

You made sweeping statements about why larger phones are unsuitable solely because they are bigger. I had to press twice to get the real reason for saying so (5th pocket fitting is a must for you). Too often there are uninformed consumers who disagree with something on principle without understanding their choice. I was testing to see if that is indeed the case with you.

I mentioned the pocket issue the first time you questioned my opinion. If people like big brick phones, that's fine, I guess it's good that you're keeping everyone in check though, making sure their opinions are correct.

Apple has an iPhone Nano waiting for you. I agree 4.3 it generally too big (but the EVO has a rounded back and quite nice to use), but a 4" phone is hardly bigger than the iPhone. I'll mention the Samsung Captivate again. With it's thinness and curved back, you hardly notice it in your pocket.

iPhone Nano already sounds too small, haha. I guess we'll have to wait and see though. I do feel like they might be able to get away with a 4" screen on the next iPhone without compromising the size of the phone... So if they go that route, that's fine with me. I just really like the current size of the phone, and I know I'm not alone with that opinion.

 

[chrmjenkins]

I mentioned the pocket issue the first time you questioned my opinion. If people like big brick phones, that's fine, I guess it's good that you're keeping everyone in check though, making sure their opinions are correct.

No, you didn't give the definite reason (it must absolutely fit in the 5th pocket, which is usually a standard size) until later. Fitting in a pocket is vague because sizes differ and so do the things people carry in them. The reason for inquiring further is to eliminate uninformed opinions, which breed like rabbits around here.

 

[chreesto]

How many elements do you think you can squeeze onto a 3.5" display? Cell phones already have as many pixels as desktop displays 17" had just 6 or 8 years ago. Unless you think you can use an entire desktop OS on a 3.5" screen and it be usable and useful I don't see the point of increasing pixel density at this point.

I get what you're saying and agree with you that OLED has a bright future but I disagree about the pixels in a small space. I was a bit skeptical about the pixel density in the iphone 4. I thought it might have been just a marketing gimmick but now that I've gotten used to it I can't use anything else. I use my coworkers' HTC Evo and Samsung Galaxy phones and the difference is shocking. The pixels seem to jump off the screen. It feels like going back in time.
Whether we should have gone to that pixel density or not, I'm never going back.

 

[ped]

Or not... Pixel response is pretty meaningless for a phone actually. I'd much rather have the higher pixel density. Contrast ratio is better, but colors over-saturated IMO and not as natural looking as they are on the iPhone.

In other words, it's not better. Its merely different.

Colors are easily adjusted and will always be more vibrant on an OLED than on an LCD, if for no other reason than the massive difference in contrast ratios due to no backlighting on an OLED.

 

[Pez555]

Uh, EVERYTHING ELSE.

As if battery life, contrast ratio, pixel response and refresh rate are meaningless and the only thing that matters is cramming more pixels on an already-too-tiny-to-see cellphone screen?

i would much prefer to have a clearer screen.

battery life is a none issue, im getting 2 days out of my iPhone 4.

 

[ped]

i would much prefer to have a clearer screen.

battery life is a none issue, im getting 2 days out of my iPhone 4.

Clearer than what? Did you see the image in the first post? What's "unclear" about it? It looks beautiful.

 

[DDustiNN]

Clearer than what? Did you see the image in the first post? What's "unclear" about it? It looks beautiful.

It looks like a screen door to me. I honestly don't understand why you posted that picture. It really doesn't show anything other than the fact that you can see pixels when you look closely.

 

[Tarzanman]

Or not... Pixel response is pretty meaningless for a phone actually. I'd much rather have the higher pixel density. Contrast ratio is better, but colors over-saturated IMO and not as natural looking as they are on the iPhone.

In other words, it's not better. Its merely different.

Your post is full of LOL. I'm going to bookmark it and see what you have to say after Apple switches away from LCD.

 

[chrmjenkins]

It looks like a screen door to me. I honestly don't understand why you posted that picture. It really doesn't show anything other than the fact that you can see pixels when you look closely.

It shows that the pixels aren't PenTile like older AMOLED displays. PenTile exacerbates the screen door effect for some users, even at normal viewing distances.

For comparison, here's a closeup of a PenTile display:

 

[ped]

It looks like a screen door to me. I honestly don't understand why you posted that picture. It really doesn't show anything other than the fact that you can see pixels when you look closely.

It shows that the pixels are squares and the text is clean, and that it's not using Pentile Matrix.

 

[yamaduc]

Apple looking to implement OLED displays in future products

 

[2IS]

Colors are easily adjusted and will always be more vibrant on an OLED than on an LCD, if for no other reason than the massive difference in contrast ratios due to no backlighting on an OLED.

ok? So you just explained WHY the colors don't look as realistic, the issue that they don't look as real still remains.

What you call vibrant I call over-saturation and I'd rather have a more natural looking image.

 

[chrmjenkins]

Apple looking to implement OLED displays in future products

Shouldn't be a surprise, it's the future. Question is when. Need to get color accuracy, power consumption and production capacity improved to make it a reality.

 

[ped]

ok? So you just explained WHY the colors don't look as realistic, the issue that they don't look as real still remains.

What you call vibrant I call over-saturation and I'd rather have a more natural looking image.

It appears most people (even on an Apple site) disagree, and so does Apple since they're preparing devices using OLED. LCDs were an OK technology but their time has come and gone.

 

[2IS]

Your post is full of LOL. I'm going to bookmark it and see what you have to say after Apple switches away from LCD.

Go ahead and bookmark, print and tattoo it for all I care, it won't do you any good. I'm not against OLED technology i'm just not overly impressed with Samsung's Super AMOLED implementation of it. If Apple moves to OLED but maintains its current pixel density while having the same or better color accuracy than they have now, i'll be all for it.

So I did you one better, you already know what I have to say if/when Apple switches away from LCD.

 

[Tarzanman]

Go ahead and bookmark, print and tattoo it for all I care, it won't do you any good. I'm not against OLED technology i'm just not overly impressed with Samsung's Super AMOLED implementation of it. If Apple moves to OLED but maintains its current pixel density while having the same or better color accuracy than they have now, i'll be all for it.

So I did you one better, you already know what I have to say if/when Apple switches away from LCD.

You've already contradicted yourself, mr. fanboy.

 

[foodle]

The details don't concern me. I was just addressing the point of GPU accelerated UI on android. Yes, it's supported (listed as GPU accelerated UI animations). I don't know any more detail than that.

Er, what?

So you're not concerned about minor details like it only being applicable to 0.4% of Android phones? As long as you can put a check mark next to it in your pro-Android fanboy rant, who cares if it's really true for >99% of Android users?

 

[2IS]

You've already contradicted yourself, mr. fanboy.

Show me where smart guy

 

[chrmjenkins]

Er, what?

So you're not concerned about minor details like it only being applicable to 0.4% of Android phones? As long as you can put a check mark next to it in your pro-Android fanboy rant, who cares if it's really true for >99% of Android users?

I'm no apologist for their version lag. I do appreciate your attempt to pigeonhole me, but I own an iPhone 4. The issue was whether not it was supported. Yes, it is.

 

[THE dAY]

The Galaxy S uses a Super AMOLED display and it is noticeably (and measurably) better than the iPhone4 display. The iPhone4 screen has better resolution, and that is the only category it wins in. Color gamut, brightness, vibrancy, contrast ratio etc are all better on the Galaxy S.

Could you kindly show me the article where the Super AMOLED is measurably better than the iPhone 4's IPS. According to this article from DisplayMate, the iPhone 4 screen performed better overall than the Samsung Galaxy S but still to me, its a personal preference. I know someone with the Galaxy S so I have had plenty of time to compare both displays and I easily prefer my iPhone 4's display to the S. They however prefer theirs over my iPhone. It all depends on what aspects of the display are more important to you.
http://www.displaymate.com/Smartphone_ShootOut_1.htm



I know this isn't thread isn't about the Galaxy S display but the newer S2's with Super Amoled Plus with full subpixels. But I would hope Apple goes for Samsung's new PLS display which follows IPS technology.
http://iphone.zix.im/2011/02/apple-to-use-samsung’s-recently-revealed-‘pls’-display/

 

[sicmac]

I would never buy a phone made by Samsung.

Never say never

I've been using: Nokia -> Motorola -> Nokia -> iPhone -> .................. Samsung ???

Yeah I've hated it... now want to buy S2 - it's obviously the best!