Very possible - Apple submitted some patents in December around using OLED touchscreens, so it appears they intend to use it. The images looked like tablets (iPads).
Got a tip for us?
Let us know
Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.
No excuses to not go OLED anymore - Samsung Galaxy S2 shows the way
- Thread starter ped
- Start date
- Sort by reaction score
Very possible - Apple submitted some patents in December around using OLED touchscreens, so it appears they intend to use it. The images looked like tablets (iPads).
By that logic LCD is crap because there are tons of LCD displays that have horrible IQ that people are still stuck on today.
Once again you act like OLED is some vaporware technology. It's not. The best IQ of any flat panel today is an OLED.
OLED is superior to LCD, thats a fact. Once apple starts using it I'm sure you'll be saying the same thing.
Samsung Galaxy SII with "Super AMOLED PLUS" display technology, not OLED, Not AMOLED, Not super AMOLED, it's super AMOLED PLUS :http://scienceandtechnologyjournal.blogspot.com/2011/02/galaxy-sii-i9100-samsungs-new-flagship.html
Why do you insist on exaggerating my opinion? The statements I'm making are about ALL oleds, not the worst ones like you seem to be trying with LCDs. There's no doubt that OLEDs are superior in some respects, but in others, LCD wins. The key one of those being volume that prevents it from being in an apple device regardless. That will change in the near future, but that day is not today.
Consumer Reports chooses the Samsung Galaxy S as the best US smartphone. Just think what they'll say when they get this new, even better, S2...
http://english.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2010/11/12/2010111200456.html
http://english.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2010/11/12/2010111200456.html
Because information relevant to the topic and the ensuing discussion became available...? Did someone force you to enter and read a thread titled "No excuses not to go OLED anymore - Samsung Galaxy S2 shows the way"?
I can think of two excuses that are really big issues.
- Samsung couldn't even produce good old AMOLED to meet the demand. Many have switched to LCD because of that. How can they meet Apple's demand with a new technology that presumably has an even lower production yield?
- If Apple goes with Super AMOLED+, it means Samsung is the only supplier of display. Would Apple really want to risk that? If Samsung has any trouble with their production, Apple is screwed. They have a number of LCD suppliers making displays for iPhones and iPads for that reason.
I have an SAMOLED phone, and other than the black level, I just don't see what the big hoopla is about. Even discounting the pentile arrangement, the colors are too gaudy and it's not as bright as the brightest LCDs.
- Samsung couldn't even produce good old AMOLED to meet the demand. Many have switched to LCD because of that. How can they meet Apple's demand with a new technology that presumably has an even lower production yield?
- If Apple goes with Super AMOLED+, it means Samsung is the only supplier of display. Would Apple really want to risk that? If Samsung has any trouble with their production, Apple is screwed. They have a number of LCD suppliers making displays for iPhones and iPads for that reason.
I have an SAMOLED phone, and other than the black level, I just don't see what the big hoopla is about. Even discounting the pentile arrangement, the colors are too gaudy and it's not as bright as the brightest LCDs.
If you'd read the thread you'd know that Samsung's production of OLED screens is about to go up ten-fold when their new gen 5.5 plant comes online in June. Supplies will not be an issue.
Let's hope that the supplies are enough to meet Apple's anticipated demand then
If Apple could sell even 1/2 of the 30 million OLED screens a month Samsung will be pumping out, I think Steve Jobs would wet himself.
Dude. Do you know from whom Apple sourced about half the freaking parts for the past iphones? Samsung.Besides the fact that they are larger than apple, they are quite accustomed to producing millions of electronics components for hundreds of customers.
Get a clue, man.... it might help if you got information from sources that weren't all Apple press releases.
All of the info I can find about these new displays say it is only available at 4.3 inches and 4.5 inches. I can't imagine Apple using a screen that size. I hope for 4 inches in the next iPhone, though.
I also echo the concerns of others about the over saturation of colors on the current AMOLED screens. Hopefully when Apple does switch over to whatever iteration of OLED they eventually use that issue is fixed. At least leave the photo and video apps alone and only over saturate the UI for the rest of the OS.
I also echo the concerns of others about the over saturation of colors on the current AMOLED screens. Hopefully when Apple does switch over to whatever iteration of OLED they eventually use that issue is fixed. At least leave the photo and video apps alone and only over saturate the UI for the rest of the OS.
Part of this "issue" is your being used to the washed out colors of an LCD. Just the massive increase in contrast alone of an OLED can account for the colors appearing more bright than usual, even if they aren't.
making parts is quite different than finished products
Samsung is a great company that makes many great products. Their weakest products imo is their phones. I have a Galaxy S for work and a iP4 for personal use. In daily use the iP4 screen is better for battery life, reading on sites, outside viewing. The display on the Galaxy looks pixelated, the UI is horrible and the phone feels cheap. It is always on a charger as the battery life is horrible. So why would Apple switch to their screens when they cannot produce enough for them and the experience would be lessened? I agree the technology will be the future but Apple is smart enough not to implement it until it is ready for prime time. Building great components is quite different than putting them together for a finished product. This is where Apple exceeds Samsung's ability.
Besides the fact that they are larger than apple, they are quite accustomed to producing millions of electronics components for hundreds of customers.
Get a clue, man.... it might help if you got information from sources that weren't all Apple press releases.
Samsung is a great company that makes many great products. Their weakest products imo is their phones. I have a Galaxy S for work and a iP4 for personal use. In daily use the iP4 screen is better for battery life, reading on sites, outside viewing. The display on the Galaxy looks pixelated, the UI is horrible and the phone feels cheap. It is always on a charger as the battery life is horrible. So why would Apple switch to their screens when they cannot produce enough for them and the experience would be lessened? I agree the technology will be the future but Apple is smart enough not to implement it until it is ready for prime time. Building great components is quite different than putting them together for a finished product. This is where Apple exceeds Samsung's ability.
I don't think the issue I'm seeing is just that colors are washed out on the iPhone. Colors on AMOLED are extremely exaggerated. When I look at my photography on an AMOLED they don't look anything close to natural. They look very close to the color of reality on my iPhone, as well as my Apple Cinema Display.
That is the issue I have: the colors look over blown on AMOLED.
I still wonder, though, if that is inherent in the technology or cranked up just because the tech supports it and many people think the vibrant over blown colors look good.
Last edited:
How is the DPI on this phone? The clarity of text is about 1000x more important than color contrast on a phone for me. I have no issues considering non-iphone entries, but I wont go back to pixelated text on my phone.
Yes 3.5 needs to be bigger, but it doesn't need to be 4.3 necessarily.
Also, for competitors I doubt that you need QUITE as high DPI to have extremely crisp text, so I wouldn't even be asking for 300+ DPI.
And honestly, the colors are far, far from washed out on an iPhone.
The colors are overstated on Samsungs OLED, that is a fact. to say otherwise is to be as ignorant as the worst of apple fanboys.
That said, there are plenty of people who prefer it that way, and that's fine. But dont put up some complete ******** like the iphone has washed out colors.
My thoughts were that it was a choice, OLED screens can be calibrated like an LCD or Plasma.
Its a samsung thing....its been a while since I was hawking the newest TV tech, but I've never seen a samsung flat panel that didn't need to be calibrated for color accuracy.
Last edited by a moderator:
IMO OLED displays don't exaggerate colors; they are simply more vibrant because they aren't restrained like LCDs are. LCDs have to shine a backlight through small holes and then through color filters. OLEDs have neither issue which is why they appear brighter and more colorful.
BTW here's a cool article on flexible displays using OLED:
http://www.computerworld.com/s/arti...What_s_the_holdup_?taxonomyId=15&pageNumber=2
Agreed - it's a conscious choice. I'd think most people using cellphones would prefer bright and vibrant. On desktop OLEDs and TVs color accuracy will be more important, like on those Sony OLED broadcast-quality monitors.
Where's the BS flag icon when I need it?
Last edited by a moderator:
GSMArena usually do good screen comparisons when reviewing. Here's the page comparing the iPhone 4, Sony Ericsson Arc and Samsung Galaxy S.
http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_ericsson_xperia_arc-review-584p2.php
The strawberries are a good example of AMOLEDs oversaturation of colours. You can see how the strawberries have lost a lot of definition on the SGS vs. their plump (and juicy!) appearance on the iPhone 4 screen.
http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_ericsson_xperia_arc-review-584p2.php
The strawberries are a good example of AMOLEDs oversaturation of colours. You can see how the strawberries have lost a lot of definition on the SGS vs. their plump (and juicy!) appearance on the iPhone 4 screen.
Last edited:
Where's the BS flag icon when I need it?
OLED does suffer from burn-in. I will grant that it isn't that easy unless your phone likes to display the same text in the same spot all the time. I've used two OLED devices for testing software, with the latest being a Samsung Focus. The first one burned in really bad on the green subpixels when it got hung up during boot displaying the Samsung logo. It happened overnight when I plugged it in to charge.
It can be done.
Where's the BS flag icon when I need it?
OLED does suffer from burn-in. I will grant that it isn't that easy unless your phone likes to display the same text in the same spot all the time. I've used two OLED devices for testing software, with the latest being a Samsung Focus. The first one burned in really bad on the green subpixels when it got hung up during boot displaying the Samsung logo. It happened overnight when I plugged it in to charge.
It can be done.
Lucky for you Ped, looks like you don't need the BS flag anymore.