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No FCPX update today only means one thing...

I agree that having a basic place in place app on an iPad would be handy, as a string out device, maybe using a very heavy compressed proxy file, remember that editing is just adding commands to a database, so in reality what editing on an iPad isis placing a reference visual marker, and the code into a database for transfer.

No idea how Apple could take the idea of a visual interface, and marry that with a robust database transfer, using airdrop maybe for the transfer of the database file. What would be needed is an external SD CARD type, and I am not saying it has to be SD CARD's, but some sort of external hard drive/mobile thumb drive so that the data can be "proxied" on the mac and be available as "leave in place" on the iPad version of FCPX.

I am sure it could be done...maybe rework final cut pro 7, sandbox it to work on 64bit, after all the code for 6/7 is pretty reliable, been around for goodness so long...The interface is well laid out...But to go from V1 V2 V3 A1 A2 A3 to Primary Storyline...maybe off timecode reference...Automatic Duck wizard Wes Plate is now at Apple..as from Feb 2017... So he brings translation ideas to Apple...

SO is iOS to Mac and Mac to iOS planned??? Who knows...wait and see...Waiting is a frustration....
 
joema2 said:
It is unlikely that FCPX, Premiere Pro, Photoshop, Excel or any other complex professional desktop app can be ported with full functionality to iOS as it now exists...
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iamMacPerson said:
To me it really doesn't matter. What I would like to do is just import the footage to my iPad and have more granular control over things, like clip splicing, retiming, dragging and dropping of elements...it would be nice to begin editing on something as small and light as an iPad, then plug the device in to your Mac and just transfer the file over to the desktop version of Final Cut....
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You can do that right now with the simplified version of iMovie available for the iPad. You are not limited to exporting a rendered video, but can export an iMovie project containing all your edits and import it on iMovie for Mac:

https://support.apple.com/kb/PH25071?viewlocale=en_US&locale=en_US
https://www.imore.com/how-move-imovie-project-your-iphone-or-ipad-your-mac

You can then export this from iMovie for Mac to FCPX: https://support.apple.com/kb/PH22827?locale=en_US

It might be possible to load the iOS iMovie project directly in FCPX but I haven't tried that.
 
Msivyparrot said:
maybe rework final cut pro 7, sandbox it to work on 64bit, after all the code for 6/7 is pretty reliable, been around for goodness so long...The interface is well laid out...But to go from V1 V2 V3 A1 A2 A3 to Primary Storyline...maybe off timecode reference...Automatic Duck wizard Wes Plate is now at Apple..as from Feb 2017... So he brings translation ideas to Apple...
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Maybe Wes Plate enables Apple's Pro Apps to communicate better between each other and also with other apps as well (Resolve, AE, Pro Tools). As for the FCP 7 code, no, that's 20th century technology that belongs the junkyard.
 
joema2 said:
You can do that right now with the simplified version of iMovie available for the iPad. You are not limited to exporting a rendered video, but can export an iMovie project containing all your edits and import it on iMovie for Mac:

https://support.apple.com/kb/PH25071?viewlocale=en_US&locale=en_US
https://www.imore.com/how-move-imovie-project-your-iphone-or-ipad-your-mac

You can then export this from iMovie for Mac to FCPX: https://support.apple.com/kb/PH22827?locale=en_US

It might be possible to load the iOS iMovie project directly in FCPX but I haven't tried that.
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See that's a lot of leg work going from Mobile iMovie->Desktop iMovie->FCPX. Also, iMovie doesn't have all the features I need. It can only retime up to x2. I need to be able to retime up to x20 for my work.
 
I think the point of mobile/ipad editing is not to edit World at War, but to stitch go pro video...not that go pro works with iPads...For tv news this would be huge, something mobile, a couple of audio tracks, a primary storyline, b-roll with basic transitions, that you can get onto the server as soon as you start uploading the footage..as an example of how I would use an iPad system...

For this to happen Apple would need to do something it does not want to do, external slots for cards or decks, or something from the camera to the iPad, just spitballing here, don't attack the idea...in fact don't respond negatively, it is just an idea, maybe someone from the space-ship is reading and thinks...OMG great idea...Matters not...

But for me improved adjustable proxy workflow, basically taking compressor and making it part of fcpx is a total no brainer, so that you can fit the proxy file to your setup, and not have apple assume you are NBC with a trillion Terrabyte storage system in the shed...
 
Boyd01 said:
Aside from Tim Cook's vision that an iPad can do everything a laptop does... what would be the point? My 11" MacBook Air is not much bigger than an iPad and has an i7 CPU, 8gb RAM and a 512gb SSD. Runs FCPX just fine. :)
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Agree completely. What problem is FCP-on-iPad going to solve? For the occasional quick hack, there's iMovie already on iOS. For everything else, as a paying customer I'd rather have Apple spend their time on perfecting the main FCPX build rather than create different variants that in the end don't reach up to the original.
 
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joema2 said:
...It is unlikely that FCPX, Premiere Pro, Photoshop, Excel or any other complex professional desktop app can be ported with full functionality to iOS as it now exists.
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iamMacPerson said:
...To me it really doesn't matter. What I would like to do is just import the footage to my iPad and have more granular control over things...
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joema2 said:
...You can do that right now with the simplified version of iMovie available for the iPad...
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iamMacPerson said:
....iMovie doesn't have all the features I need. It can only retime up to x2. I need to be able to retime up to x20 for my work...
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So you now see the point. The watered-down features necessitated by a mobile device don't really matter -- until those features are something you want. This is why full-featured desktop apps cannot yet be ported to a mobile platform. *Somebody* wants those features otherwise they wouldn't exist, yet the UI real estate and complexity does not exist to implement all those features on a mobile device.

If Apple added x20 retiming to iOS iMovie, that would satisfy you (until you thought of something else you wanted) but it would not satisfy all the customers who want proxy support or smart collections.

At first it appears that you could just implement, say, the top 15% of desktop pro app features on the mobile device and that would satisfy most people. The mobile UI might handle that. However UI research shows that the top 15% of features for one user (or class of users) is not the top 15% for other classes.

This is at present an essentially unsolvable problem which is why no company -- not Microsoft, not Google, not Apple, not anybody -- has figured out how to fully and gracefully rehost complex desktop apps on a mobile device. It's true that on a Windows x86 tablet you can obviously run true Windows desktop apps with all the UI complexity and richness, but this is a poor user experience that requires remapping touch events to keyboard/mouse events and constantly zooming the interface in and out.

Current user interface guidelines and UI mechanisms for mobile operating systems do not permit supporting complex professional desktop apps, whether redesigned or not.

Future mobile apps will steadily gain functionality, but with current mobile UI limitations they will never reach full desktop functionality until mobile UI architecture evolves well beyond the current state.
 
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To me it really doesn't matter. What I would like to do is just import the footage to my iPad and have more granular control over things, like clip splicing, retiming, dragging and dropping of elements. I understand most professionals can't use just that, but it would be nice to begin editing on something as small and light as an iPad, then plug the device in to your Mac and just transfer the file over to the desktop version of Final Cut. I understand that this would be a monumental undertaking, but I think it could be done. And if there was one company that could make the software and hardware work together, it would be Apple.
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I get your point but I beg you to please stop hoping for this. Please erase this thread. We do not want anyone from Apple to ever read this stuff.

If Apple ever gets it in their head that they could foolishly use iCloud for video, some idiot at Apple will ensure FCP X on the Mac will go the way of Aperture and we will end up with the equivalent of Photo's for video on the Mac. A total piece of garbage for any serious media management.

And if Apple punts FCP X, they will slowly loose their market share in desktop computers ... then I think it is lights out for Apple. I really think Apple has lost appreciation for how much the Mac users influence the greater market to use things like the iPhone. It is like they have millions of brand ambassadors telling their friends to buy them and its driven their company's success beyond its wildest dreams. Steve Jobs clearly understood this. When the collective base of Mac users loose our precious software tools because of ill conceived ideas that are not fully thought out, people will leave.

IMO, the Aperture debacle did a lot of damage to Apple. In the beginning, I honestly had hope that Photo's was the photography equivalent of FCP X and that it would rapidly evolve after its initial release and grow to be better than Aperture. Much like the first release of FCP X had evolved rapidly to replace FCP 7. I am still peeved with Apple for their sloppy execution on Photo's app. It is still a totally unacceptable solution.
 
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To me it really doesn't matter. What I would like to do is just import the footage to my iPad and have more granular control over things, like clip splicing, retiming, dragging and dropping of elements. I understand most professionals can't use just that..
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As a professional Editor, I welcome this option.
Maybe a cloud-based version that can spit out an XML for high-end use.
I can see this being useful with services like frame.io.
 
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steve123 said:
I get your point but I beg you to please stop hoping for this. Please erase this thread. We do not want anyone from Apple to ever read this stuff.

If Apple ever gets it in their head that they could foolishly use iCloud for video, some idiot at Apple will ensure FCP X on the Mac will go the way of Aperture and we will end up with the equivalent of Photo's for video on the Mac. A total piece of garbage for any serious media management.

And if Apple punts FCP X, they will slowly loose their market share in desktop computers ... then I think it is lights out for Apple. I really think Apple has lost appreciation for how much the Mac users influence the greater market to use things like the iPhone. It is like they have millions of brand ambassadors telling their friends to buy them and its driven their company's success beyond its wildest dreams. Steve Jobs clearly understood this. When the collective base of Mac users loose our precious software tools because of ill conceived ideas that are not fully thought out, people will leave.

IMO, the Aperture debacle did a lot of damage to Apple. In the beginning, I honestly had hope that Photo's was the photography equivalent of FCP X and that it would rapidly evolve after its initial release and grow to be better than Aperture. Much like the first release of FCP X had evolved rapidly to replace FCP 7. I am still peeved with Apple for their sloppy execution on Photo's app. It is still a totally unacceptable solution.
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I think you are greatly exaggerating this. Apple's photo editing platform was very convoluted, in that they had three different apps across two different platforms with no way to talk to each other (iPhoto for Mac, iPhoto for iOS, and Aperture). Aperture's fate was written on the wall well before Photos killed it. While Photos is not a worth successor to Aperture, exactly how many professionals were using Aperture? Most went to another platform, namely Photoshop, well before Aperture was dead. That was Apple's doing. But Photos did not kill Aperture, and I doubt killing it hurt Apple that much.

On the flip side, many prosumers use FCPX, especially Mac users. Why? Because it's best tuned for the hardware. If Premier didn't run like **** on, pretty much, everything made by an OEM, and Adobe's head wasn't in the clouds thinking that people prefer to rent software month-to-month instead of paying a one time license fee, I'd probably be using Premier. But unless you build one hell of a power-sucking rig, performance of Premier on Windows or Mac can't touch FCPX on Mac. If FCPX dies, it'll be because of Apple's own laziness.

Also, on the point of Mac user's influence, it doesn't matter. 55% of Apple's revenue last quarter was from iPhone. Not even iOS, just iPhone. If you throw in iPad too, that increases to 66% of their revenue. Two-thirds from iOS alone. Second up was Services, like Apple Music and iCloud, at 16%. Followed by, in third place, Mac sales. 12%. iPad accounted for 11% of revenue for scale. There are also way more iOS users than Mac users. What sold iPhones in 2007 was the Mac. What sells the iPhone nowadays is iPhone. And what sells the Mac? I would guess iPhone.

Apple's share in desktops has already slipped too. How many Mac Pros have they sold in the last 12-18 months? How many Mac minis? And iMacs? I don't have the numbers in hand, in fact I do not believe Apple publishes those, but I can tell you every time I would lug my 2013 Mac Pro into the Apple Store for service (which was often), the Geniuses were surprised to see one considering they rarely see desktops. I go down to the store, and most people have some variety of MacBook, be it MacBook Pro, Air, or just the regular model. It's rare to see an iMac. A lot of people are running FCPX on their MacBook Pro nowadays because it's very fast. As fast as the iMac? Maybe not, but fast enough to get most of the editing done. Some, like me, attach theirs to an external monitor for greater use. If it wasn't for the battery indicator in the top right of the screen, I would never know that I was using a notebook Mac.
 
Battery indicator, the soothing sounds of fans at full tilt, and the very warm fingers... nice on a cool day :)

I have damaged one laptop power cable or another as well as a couple motherboard by transcoding or applying the stabilizer effect for the hours that it always seemed to take... there was one desktop that developed a few bubbles.

A lot of pros around here used Aperture, some still do for its organizing and media management features or with pixelmator. With its easy to use and stunning effects, the combination is far superior to photoshop in many ways.
 
BeechFlyer said:
Agree completely. What problem is FCP-on-iPad going to solve? For the occasional quick hack, there's iMovie already on iOS. For everything else, as a paying customer I'd rather have Apple spend their time on perfecting the main FCPX build rather than create different variants that in the end don't reach up to the original.
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You clearly don't have an iPad Pro. I currently use lumafusion and I have have edited on my couch many of my videos before exporting to final cut for final editing and color grading. The iPad Pro has plenty of power and an excellent screen.
 
iamMacPerson said:
Also, on the point of Mac user's influence, it doesn't matter. 55% of Apple's revenue last quarter was from iPhone. Not even iOS, just iPhone. If you throw in iPad too, that increases to 66% of their revenue. Two-thirds from iOS alone. Second up was Services, like Apple Music and iCloud, at 16%. Followed by, in third place, Mac sales. 12%. iPad accounted for 11% of revenue for scale. There are also way more iOS users than Mac users. What sold iPhones in 2007 was the Mac. What sells the iPhone nowadays is iPhone. And what sells the Mac? I would guess iPhone.

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I disagree ... FWIW, I think the millions of Apple brand ambassadors sell iPhones.
 
Ooooh, that looks neat. Can't wait to show my college's TV studio staff once it comes out. They haven't gotten Final Cut Pro X for our new 21" 4K Retina iMacs yet, but they plan to soon (the director really liked it when I gave him a demonstration of 10.3; he especially liked the background rendering and 64-bit support.)
 
BeechFlyer said:
Any update on when the new version will be out?

I’d like to update my iMac to High Sierra, but not until this update is available.
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I'd like to update my system as well, but I will also wait for next version of HS in addition to FCPX 4.0. Plus I will have a complete cloned hard drive in case I need to revert.
 
I'm very surprised we haven't yet seen the FCPX 10.4 update. I hope they're not waiting for a simultaneous release with the iMac Pro.
 
4God said:
I'm very surprised we haven't yet seen the FCPX 10.4 update.
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Really? I’m not. Apple’s had so many bugs and issues in the last few weeks, they’ve probably (temporarily) slowed or stopped development of FCPX to divert resources to plug leaking holes in the ship. Or maybe the new version is still too buggy to release. We’ll see.
 
I'm guessing now that the iMac Pro has an order date and reviews are out, we might see FCPX 10.4 today or Thursday.
 
Curious to see what the new iMovie on the iPad will look like - I’m hoping its a little more FCPish.
 
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