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I have. And I'm talking about stock android without having to do any mods or anything to install the latest kernel. You don't have to do anything to install iOS on your device. No custom kernels, no waiting for your cell phone provider... stuff the average smartphone owner can do.

Ok, so if you buy an Android you get to use the phone you bought, with a bit of effort you can (providing it's a supported device) upgrade it. It's a choice. Us Apple users aren't given the choice though.

I find I'm getting increasingly uncomfortable with the "Apple way". I bought into the iPhone ecosystem before Android devices were available. I could add up how much I've spent on apps but I really don't want to make myself cry that badly. Way back when the original iPhone was new it did feel like I was using a cool gadget. Nice to have but ultimately not something I had to use. At some point in the last few years my mobile device has become my second brain. It stores all the things I don't have a hope of remembering; passwords, calendars, tasks, bits of code, project plans, etc. It's not a toy anymore and my reliance on it causes me to question being chucked into Apple's update rapid without a paddle. I don't want to move from iOS, I've invested too much in it, but I take my workflow seriously and I don't like that being dictated to by anyone.
 
Right, but you had access to iOS 6. You made the conscious decision to forfeit that when you hit "Update." It was optional and you had all the opportunity in the world to learn about it before you got it.

Although really, if you had saved your blobs and the IPSW you could still revert to iOS 6.

If you want to talk about consumer rights, let's talk about how you typically won't get ANY updates on an Android phone and how there are hundreds of Android tablet models out that quite simply don't work. Then let's compare that to iOS, where major OS updates are free and everything works as advertised.

In my case that's the problem: I saved my blobs knowing that iOS 7 might not run well on my iPhone 4 but I (and everyone else it seems) have not been able to return to iOS 6.1.3 with the blobs. The main complaint for me is the animations, which are excruciatingly slow on the iPhone 4.
Your comment on Android, by the way, certainly does not apply to Nexus devices. They guarantee several updates within the lifetime of the device.
 
I agree that one should be able to rollback, my phone. I had a few months I wanted to go back to 6.1.2 so I could jailbreak again and finally have some control yet I was stuck on 6.1.3 with no options. Will never be a fan of that much control.
 
Not to the average iOS user actually.

Which people who spend all day on forums just DO NOT get. The average user has no idea when things like this are coming. I know many people with iPhones, and when it was released is when they found out about it.

I am not saying that is a good or bad thing, but it's important to have some perspective.
 
What?

There was no warning of such a drastic change. Like most unsuspecting consumers, I got a message on my equipment about an upgrade and I upgraded. Luckily I have warned others who have no idea that the product that they purchased is about to be altered in a huge way

No there wasn't - they pretty much gave everyone several months of advance warning the changes that were coming down the pike.
 
As someone who waited on line overnight for the iphone 4, who purchased one for my gf, who purchased an ipad, who purchased an iphone 5.... I hate io7... It is very different than the product and operating systems that I paid my money for... The audacity to be told by apple that I MUST accept the new system like it or not! that there is no way back.... My response is very simple... I WILL NOT EVER purchase another apple product.... I will encourage my friends not to... How dare a company make such an extreme change to a product and not give its customers the opportunity to get back to the product that they Paid hundreds, thousands of dollars for....

For the record you did not pay a dime for the operating system. You purchased a device that provides upgrades which clearly you accepted all along.You upgraded on your own free will and they clearly stated that you can not downgrade. Are your apps broken and no longer work ? If so which ones?
 
For the record you did not pay a dime for the operating system. You purchased a device that provides upgrades which clearly you accepted all along.You upgraded on your own free will and they clearly stated that you can not downgrade. Are your apps broken and no longer work ? If so which ones?

No but we paid much more than a dime for the hardware and if it now doesn't run to our liking then we're entitled to complain.
 
Looking on here, anyone would think Apple built their "walled garden" overnight with the release of iOS7. Remember when thee iPods were released and Apple fought all they could to stop Realplayer being able to sync music to the iPod? It's always been the Apple way or no way. Some people like that, some people don't. I can't see how anyone can call themselves a devoted Apple fan and be surprised at the tight control Apple has over their products and services.

Oh, and this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=JTpXVv-DaBQ
 
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While I have to agree with the everyone that it was highly documented on the Internet, I can see the op concern. You get test drive a car before you buy it. You couldn't test drive ios 7. I watched the videos and couldn't get the feel for it. I upgraded my wife's phone and only then did I see the difference. It is a dramatic change. These people that say its not are loose in the head. Everything redesigned and not for the better. Some things are better. Too much white everywhere. Apple made the call on this. People complained about ios 6 too. Still do. It has several flaws that were never resolved but appears to have been in ios 7. I wish apple would have left the graphics alone and worked on features.
 
Not to the average iOS user actually.

Which people who spend all day on forums just DO NOT get. The average user has no idea when things like this are coming. I know many people with iPhones, and when it was released is when they found out about it.

I am not saying that is a good or bad thing, but it's important to have some perspective.

But the release notes show up for every user before they update. If they don't read about what's new and they don't like it, it's their fault.
 
No there wasn't - they pretty much gave everyone several months of advance warning the changes that were coming down the pike.
Not to the average iOS user who doesn't follow things of this nature.

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But the release notes show up for every user before they update. If they don't read about what's new and they don't like it, it's their fault.
Reading about it and actually knowing what it will mean in practice are two different things, especially for an average iOS user who doesn't know much if anything about technology. The same people who have pretty much been taught by Apple, their carriers, and others who are more technically inclined to simply update whenever an update is surfaced to them because there are usually security issues that are addressed and their device in general will work better. That's the actual reality of things.
 
Looking on here, anyone would think Apple built their "walled garden" overnight with the release of iOS7. Remember when thee iPods were released and Apple fought all they could to stop Realplayer being able to sync music to the iPod? It's always been the Apple way or no way. Some people like that, some people don't. I can't see how anyone can call themselves a devoted Apple fan and be surprised at the tight control Apple has over their products and services.

This is absolutely true... It really shouldn't surprise anyone using Apple products... The only reason that I am complaining this time, and this is only my opinion, is because this is the first time I don't like the decisions Apple made with iOS 7... So far I was always at least 95% happy wit their products, software and updates to that software. I am not forcing my opinion on anyone, but since I paid a lot for my Apple gear I think that I have a right to stand up and be counted... I know it will not change anything... It really is the Apple way or the highway... And it was like that before... So far I liked the apple way... Now? We'll see...
 
You can read all the specs a car has and see photos of it but until you actually drive it you don't know how it handles or whether you will like it day in and day out ;-)
 
Ok, so if you buy an Android you get to use the phone you bought, with a bit of effort you can (providing it's a supported device) upgrade it. It's a choice. Us Apple users aren't given the choice though.

I find I'm getting increasingly uncomfortable with the "Apple way". I bought into the iPhone ecosystem before Android devices were available. I could add up how much I've spent on apps but I really don't want to make myself cry that badly. Way back when the original iPhone was new it did feel like I was using a cool gadget. Nice to have but ultimately not something I had to use. At some point in the last few years my mobile device has become my second brain. It stores all the things I don't have a hope of remembering; passwords, calendars, tasks, bits of code, project plans, etc. It's not a toy anymore and my reliance on it causes me to question being chucked into Apple's update rapid without a paddle. I don't want to move from iOS, I've invested too much in it, but I take my workflow seriously and I don't like that being dictated to by anyone.

Of course you have the choice. These are not forced upgrades. It's very simple, do some research, determine if u want it, and upgrade or not. It's 100% up to you.

That's the beauty of Apples software updates, its available to everyone, regardless of carrier, the day it's released and we all have the CHOICE to upgrade or not. The Android way is to let your cell provider dictate, if and when, you'll even have the opportunity to have a choice. Would u let your internet provider dictate when u can upgrade your computers operating system ? If so, Android is your thing.
 
Not to the average iOS user actually.
I would agree with you for previous versions more so, but I feel for this one in particular most people were at least aware of it (in the younger demographic anyway). I mean my girlfriend was.. and she is about as technologically inclined as a potato powered light bulb.
 
Not to the average iOS user actually.

Correct. This is why a few years ago, Apple said that there were 25% of iPhone owners who had never synced their iPhones to a computer or even upgraded their phones to the most current version past what it came with out of the box. That article was posted here on MR.

That might be different now, but a few years ago, so believable because many phones didn't get firmware updates.
 
I would agree with you for previous versions more so, but I feel for this one in particular most people were at least aware of it (in the younger demographic anyway). I mean my girlfriend was.. and she is about as technologically inclined as a potato powered light bulb.
Even though it might have been more publicized it still only translates to a small fraction more of average users finding out about it. And even those who did only mainly got the "spin" of the publicity telling them how great their phone should be with the update that has been "long overdue" or something to that effect, that most mainstream news about it mostly focused on. There really wasn't much for them to even really know what it would be like for them to actually use it.

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I've had the pleasure of being a MacRumours member since 2005 and this thread is by far the most entertaining and funny thread I've ever read.
What's funny (more in a sad way) is that some people actually find something supposedly funny in things that don't really have any humor in them.
 
Ok, so if you buy an Android you get to use the phone you bought, with a bit of effort you can (providing it's a supported device) upgrade it. It's a choice. Us Apple users aren't given the choice though.

I find I'm getting increasingly uncomfortable with the "Apple way". I bought into the iPhone ecosystem before Android devices were available. I could add up how much I've spent on apps but I really don't want to make myself cry that badly. Way back when the original iPhone was new it did feel like I was using a cool gadget. Nice to have but ultimately not something I had to use. At some point in the last few years my mobile device has become my second brain. It stores all the things I don't have a hope of remembering; passwords, calendars, tasks, bits of code, project plans, etc. It's not a toy anymore and my reliance on it causes me to question being chucked into Apple's update rapid without a paddle. I don't want to move from iOS, I've invested too much in it, but I take my workflow seriously and I don't like that being dictated to by anyone.


You ARE given the choice to upgrade/update. You don't have to press the button.
 
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