I didn't notice your inclusion of the 3G at first, so I went back and edited my original reply. Thanks again for sharing the information.
Got a tip for us?
Let us know
Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.
No iOS 5 for iPhone 3GS?
- Thread starter MacRumors
- Start date
- Sort by reaction score
I see what you're saying, it is upsetting that support gets cut off early, but your original aTV still works just the same as the day you bought it... it's not like you can't use it anymore. It may not have new features, but it still does everything that was advertised to you on day 1 so your argument that you have to throw it away the day your warranty ends is invalid. You just think you do because you want the latest newest features, and that's exactly what apple wants.
np!
As an owner of the original AppleTV, and someone who still likes it due to its local storage, I sympathize. But you're wrong about compatibility. The original AppleTV is OS X based, while the new one is iOS based. It does not require 'minimal' effort to port the capabilities of the new AppleTV to the old one—it would actually require quite a bit of work, and Apple has a history of avoiding parallel development in cases like this. I want AirPlay on my old AppleTV, but I can understand why I'm not getting it.
So much wrong with this. Only if you root the device and install the real Google builds (good luck getting that kind of support from handset manufacturers) and still the rate of progression, over time, is not so different between the two platforms. You have Google branching out in every strange direction conceivable without really polishing much and Apple branching out in the most important directions definitively, and with polish. That's a matter of preference. Wish iOS had some of the maps love, though.
false.
3gs is not currently being sold as the "latest and greatest", because there's iphone 4. that would be like saying someone buying the baseline macbook thinks they're getting the "latest and greatest" even though it's being sold next to the macbook pros with a newer processor and graphics card, twice as much memory, and more ports on the side.
there's a difference between not being techy and just being stupid.
But will they be selling it when iOS 5 comes out. I'm thinking not.
And after the trouble the 3g had with iOS4, if this is true it is not a shock to me that they would do it. Better, in Apple's eyes, to hold back further updates than have to deal when things are crappola cause the processor is too slow etc
Yeah, I figured it would happen, too. My main issue is they crippled my original iPhone with 3.x before ditching support for it, and it sounds like something similar is happening to 3GS users with 4.x. You don't want my phone to run the latest OS--fine. But don't make it unusable first with software updates it can't handle so I HAVE to buy the latest phone.
I was so steamed (and also so tired of AT&T call quality) that I switched to an Android phone. I miss a lot about iOS, but the software updates for Android have actually improved speediness, not lowered it. If I get an iPhone 5, I do not think I will ever upgrade its software past 5.x because Apple doesn't seem to care how well previous generation phones handle updates.
Hard Cheese...
1. This is not an announcement from Apple - so why moan already.
2. Why should Apple stop selling the 3GS if there's not going to be an upgrade? People who cant afford the iP4 - still want an iPhone and I doubt if they care that it will not be upgraded. A lot of people have never had an upgradeable phone before. My wife has the original iPhone [Edge] which she bought from new and she has never upgraded the iOS, rarely syncs it with her Mac and still thinks it's the best phone ever!
3. Apple is a business, they need to sell new stuff to make a profit for their shareholders and keep all their employees in work. So it stands to reason they are going to want to "outdate" stuff to make you want to get a new one.
4. If you're stuck in a contract with a 3GS - Boo Hoo - Hard Cheese... You don't have to take the contract, you can buy the phone outright and get a Sim only contract, then when the newest, latest, fastest most wizzy one comes out you can sell your old one [which will still be worth most of its cost, minus W&T] and buy the new one. If you can't afford to have the unsubsidised full price phone or you can't afford to pay the upgrade price when the new one comes out - well then you'll have to wait!
5. To all the people that say - well if Apple aren't going to upgrade my old iPhone for FREE and make it as good as the newest one then I'll just buy an Android... Good, do it, ******* O** and good riddance, I hope you'll be happy with your POS Google Android crappy plastic iPhone wannabee. But I'll bet that everytime you see someone with an iPhone you'll think - I wish I had one...
6. I wish Steve Jobs would come out on stage at the next Apple love-in, hold up a 3GS and say - Hey... you know what, if you've got one of these, we all think you're a pikey chav! Ha Ha...
1. This is not an announcement from Apple - so why moan already.
2. Why should Apple stop selling the 3GS if there's not going to be an upgrade? People who cant afford the iP4 - still want an iPhone and I doubt if they care that it will not be upgraded. A lot of people have never had an upgradeable phone before. My wife has the original iPhone [Edge] which she bought from new and she has never upgraded the iOS, rarely syncs it with her Mac and still thinks it's the best phone ever!
3. Apple is a business, they need to sell new stuff to make a profit for their shareholders and keep all their employees in work. So it stands to reason they are going to want to "outdate" stuff to make you want to get a new one.
4. If you're stuck in a contract with a 3GS - Boo Hoo - Hard Cheese... You don't have to take the contract, you can buy the phone outright and get a Sim only contract, then when the newest, latest, fastest most wizzy one comes out you can sell your old one [which will still be worth most of its cost, minus W&T] and buy the new one. If you can't afford to have the unsubsidised full price phone or you can't afford to pay the upgrade price when the new one comes out - well then you'll have to wait!
5. To all the people that say - well if Apple aren't going to upgrade my old iPhone for FREE and make it as good as the newest one then I'll just buy an Android... Good, do it, ******* O** and good riddance, I hope you'll be happy with your POS Google Android crappy plastic iPhone wannabee. But I'll bet that everytime you see someone with an iPhone you'll think - I wish I had one...
6. I wish Steve Jobs would come out on stage at the next Apple love-in, hold up a 3GS and say - Hey... you know what, if you've got one of these, we all think you're a pikey chav! Ha Ha...
Since it seems ios5 is a total overhaul, Apple must be writing for the A5 chip, which might mean that even the iphone 4 might get some lag time. If ios5 is the bees knees, I think everyone will be understanding that it doesn't run on '09 hardware.
my two cents.
my two cents.
Apple wont be selling the 3gs when ios5 comes out, so I dont follow your argumentCurrently two iPhones are sold by Apple.
How many Android devices are there by how many different manufacturers?
Please ...
Not at all. They don't have to use tactics like that. US cell phone carriers already have more than enough to get you to update by refusing to discount your service if you bring a fully paid phone or you finish your contract. If, says the average person, I'm going to be stuck paying that $12-15 'device cost' every month anyway I might as well get a new device.
yes you haven't heard the news. It's a 99.9% certainty that Apple is going to release Lion via MAS (doing the same with the developers was a test run) with no physical disk option so the only way to get it is to have Snow Leopard on your computer or at least one you have access to.
Like it or not, Apple is within their legal rights not to make everything 100% backwards compatible. They set the rule that they would support each phone model for 2 years from the date of release the the 3g and 3gs are beyond that. Folks that don't do their research when they buy previous gen tech have no one to blame but themselves.
GROW UP!!
IT IS NOT A NEW PHONE!! it is 2 years old! selling for $49.00!! It's a lower end phone at this time therefore YOU AND EVERYONE ELSE should expect not to get the high end IOS. Also YOU AND SOME OTHERS bitch that there is no iOS 5 on 3GS and if PEOPLE LIKE YOU GOT the IOS 5 on the 3GS YOU would still bitch it too slow since it is a lower chip and has 1/2 the memory 256MB vs 512MB. YOU ALL want the up to date technology but don't want to pay for it and want it supported by hardware that can't support it
This would be incredibly stupid and wouldn't make sense based on history.
The original iPhone was updated from iOS 1.0 all the way to 3.1.3. From release in 2007 until the beginning of 2010. 2.0 was a full update for the original iPhone and 3.0 was when they started the whole "the hardware doesn't support the new features" nonsense as a reason not to give original iPhone users MMS officially, even though jailbreaks enabled the built-in functionality and it worked perfectly fine.
iPhone 3G went from iOS 2.0 to 4.2.1. Similar time frame, similar OS support. For the iPhone 3G, 3.0 was a full update with 4.0 starting the "hardware doesn't support it" nonsense, even though, again, jailbreaks proved otherwise.
Based on history, the iPhone 3GS should get 5.0 but this will be the upgrade for the "hardware doesn't support it" nonsense. Why will it be nonsense for the iPhone 3GS? Because the iPhone 3GS uses the same exact CPU and GPU as the iPhone 4, iPad, and iPod touch 4G, just at a lower clock speed. iPhone 3GS has the same amount of RAM as the iPad and iPod touch 4G. So in reality, anything the "fourth generation" devices support, the iPhone 3GS should support as well. And it most likely will thanks to jailbreaks re-enabling functionality that was artificially stripped.
The original iPhone was updated from iOS 1.0 all the way to 3.1.3. From release in 2007 until the beginning of 2010. 2.0 was a full update for the original iPhone and 3.0 was when they started the whole "the hardware doesn't support the new features" nonsense as a reason not to give original iPhone users MMS officially, even though jailbreaks enabled the built-in functionality and it worked perfectly fine.
iPhone 3G went from iOS 2.0 to 4.2.1. Similar time frame, similar OS support. For the iPhone 3G, 3.0 was a full update with 4.0 starting the "hardware doesn't support it" nonsense, even though, again, jailbreaks proved otherwise.
Based on history, the iPhone 3GS should get 5.0 but this will be the upgrade for the "hardware doesn't support it" nonsense. Why will it be nonsense for the iPhone 3GS? Because the iPhone 3GS uses the same exact CPU and GPU as the iPhone 4, iPad, and iPod touch 4G, just at a lower clock speed. iPhone 3GS has the same amount of RAM as the iPad and iPod touch 4G. So in reality, anything the "fourth generation" devices support, the iPhone 3GS should support as well. And it most likely will thanks to jailbreaks re-enabling functionality that was artificially stripped.
You don't read very carefully do you?
I said I did NOT expect all the new features added to ATV1. But offering TV Show RENTALS is an iTunes server/host issue, NOT any 'significant' reprogram on the OS part of AppleTV. After all, it already rents movies. TV shows are just a slightly tagged different format (anyone who imports their own tv shows knows this). The SAME tv shows are available to PURCHASE for AppleTV1 so we know they are already available in the proper ATV1 format (i.e. 24fps, not 30fps). It would not take much effort at ALL to offer the rentals for ATV1. It's certainly not in the same class as making a Netflix viewer for ATV1, for example.
But like I said, it's Apple's loss. I get my TV shows elsewhere. I get my movies elsewhere now as well just because I don't like what they did. Besides, they don't offer squat to buy anyway. The hell on Apple. Amazon just got a new cloud customer with their 99 cent offer as well. Clearly, other companies DO care about service and value. Amazon music is usually cheaper. Steve Jobs made a big stink about fighting the record companies but then told a lie about 69 cent songs (there are almost none, even OLD songs are at least 99 cents, if not $1.29 for anything remotely popular and almost everything new is $1.29).
I don't buy anything from Apple these days (save an iPod Touch and even its camera and battery life are terribly disappointing; my Gen1 iPod touch lasted nearly twice as long for battery life) and it seems that will include my next computer as well (Hackintosh or maybe even juts Win7; I'm sick of Apple's focus on iOS and leaving OSX to rot with outdated/ancient OpenGL, no USB3 and other deficiencies. If I wanted a crap computer, I'd buy a $300 one). Apple used to be good back in 2008. My MBP was good value for the dollar and ran Vista better than most PCs did and had every feature I could want at the time (expansion port, matte screen, dual-FW ports, battery expansion and ram slots and even changing the HD wasn't 'that' hard). It's all been going downhill ever since, IMO. I'm afraid as long as Steve Jobs runs Apple, it will stay that way. They need someone running the Mac division that actually wants to compete with Windows, IMO.
Predictable news, and predictable reactions (ie. hysterical, irrational, illogical, hyperbolic- par for the course)
By the time iOS5 comes out, the iPhone 3GS will be nearly 2.5 years old. Can someone name me a SINGLE handset that has had updates for even near that long? Apple keeps updating their devices longer than anyone else in the industry, but for you people that isn't enough. You have this ridiculous sense of entitlement that is based on absolutely nothing. When you buy something, ou buy it for it's CURRENT features- nobody gives you any guarantee that it will receive a single further update. Yet you people want INFINITE updates, on hardware that is years old. If the 3GS supported a few, some, or most of the features of iOS5, you think people here wouldn't be still bitching? Of course they would. It's completely reasonable to limit iOS5 to the iPhone 4 and 5. These are mobile phones we're talking about, not laptops, and the tech is changing much quicker. If iOS5 is going to be a significant revamp as the rumors state, I for one am glad for limiting the release, as it will need to be demanding on the hardware if it will be impressive.
Again, it's nothing but irrationality in this thread. Noone updates their phones for as long as Apple does. Stop whining that you're somehow entitled to every bleeding edge new software feature that comes out of Cupertino because you own one of their products.
By the time iOS5 comes out, the iPhone 3GS will be nearly 2.5 years old. Can someone name me a SINGLE handset that has had updates for even near that long? Apple keeps updating their devices longer than anyone else in the industry, but for you people that isn't enough. You have this ridiculous sense of entitlement that is based on absolutely nothing. When you buy something, ou buy it for it's CURRENT features- nobody gives you any guarantee that it will receive a single further update. Yet you people want INFINITE updates, on hardware that is years old. If the 3GS supported a few, some, or most of the features of iOS5, you think people here wouldn't be still bitching? Of course they would. It's completely reasonable to limit iOS5 to the iPhone 4 and 5. These are mobile phones we're talking about, not laptops, and the tech is changing much quicker. If iOS5 is going to be a significant revamp as the rumors state, I for one am glad for limiting the release, as it will need to be demanding on the hardware if it will be impressive.
Again, it's nothing but irrationality in this thread. Noone updates their phones for as long as Apple does. Stop whining that you're somehow entitled to every bleeding edge new software feature that comes out of Cupertino because you own one of their products.
Then why the hell you post here? Too many people bitching on Andriod boards that you are drowned out in the mass exasperating?
Bad analogy. You can run Model T's on unleaded. Antique drivers in California (where leaded gas is not legal to sell for cars) have done it for over ten years. You just need to change the timing in the car a bit. Here is a URL talking about it. You just need the lowest octane unleaded fuel. http://www.mtfca.com/cgi-bin/discus/show.cgi?tpc=29&post=61361
A better analogy would be "I can run my 45's on my iPod since there is no turntable support." But you can simulate it on it for other iOS devices. http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2008/12/iphone-turntabl/
3GS pones are being sold in stores right now. Those are brand new phones and Apple will have to support them for a few years. Not supporting them in iOS 5 would mean one thing - fragmentation.
OK.
I am going to clear this with reference to what I feel about this situation overall:
1. iOS 2.x -> iOS 3.x != iOS 3.x -> iOS 4.x != iOS 4.x -> iOS 5.x
Did you get that?
These are different operating systems. It does not mean that all the operating systems are supposed to carry the same weight, i.e. the implications of running different OS's can be different. In more simple words. It doesn't mean that transitioning from iOS 2 - 3 & 3 - 4 will be same as transitioning from 4 - 5.
2. The story where 3GS is still sold and Apple is liable to upgrade.
Sorry, but that's absolutely WRONG. Apple is selling iPhone 3GS. Therefore, Apple is liable for any warranty upto 90 days OR 2 years for AppleCare. Apple will replace your phone/ Apple will support it that way.
As far as the software that's supposed to run, they are not liable to any software update after a particular time; in Apple's case it's 2 years. They have done that and everybody should be fine with that.
They supported 3G out of their way; that's upto their willingness, affordability and credibility. If they would straight out rejected the proposal, people would have had to take that. Simple. iOS updates for 2 years after the phone is released and Apple is done.
For those claiming, Apple should provide at least 1 update cause they are still selling 3GS is more than kiddish. This would imply that Apple should wait for the last iPhone 3GS to sell with iOS 4.3.4 (in future) and give it a 4.4 update.
Non sense, as I understand.
3. iPad 1 Vs iPhone 3GS discussion
Absolutely fair. If the OS runs on the iPad, it must run on the OS. Apple must have a very fair justification as to why it won't run on iPhone3GS whereas it would be fine for iPad 1.
tl;dr -> Apple is NOT liable for a 3GS update. Looking at the TOC, they might not even support the iPad (iPad goes from 3.x to 4.x) which won't be good for millions of customers. Absolutely outrageous in that regard.
We will have to wait 3 more weeks to get to the crux.
In my understanding, iOS 5.0 runs on all currently supported devices including iPhone 3GS, iPod Touch 4G, iPad 1G.*
*Some features are incompatible.
Last edited:
