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No iPhone 14 or iPhone 14 Pro Model Supports Latest Wi-Fi 6E Standard

njn007 said:
Given how few households likely have 6E routers, I don’t think this merits much outrage. I certainly don’t notice issues, and I think most issues are based off of the speed you buy from your provider, not your router quality.
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It merits outrage because much like BT 5.1 (when it was released) it’s clear that Apple is refusing to include it due to whatever arbitrary reasons they have to do so. Plus I believe you’re wrong in believing not many households have 6E. I’ve had it for a couple of years now & I’m sure many others have probably purchased one believing the 14 would certainly be a 6E capable phone. Sucks to be them doesn’t it? Well Samsung has it for their phones so…..
 
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Cerberus4 said:
I agree, don’t like any of them, except the default “Black” one which I’ll have to go with. The Plus has the light blue which I would’ve like for the Pro Max but of course it’s not made in that.
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The blue on the standard iPhone looks exactly like sierra blue on last years pro based on the picture.
 
Cerberus4 said:
What are you talking about? I’ve had 6E for 2 years + now. Tell me how much time has to pass before you no longer consider it “niche?” “Most folks aren’t using it to it’s full potential?” Freaking give it me in a product already such as this one and I’ll use it to it’s full potential, ok? You make products where you flat out to refuse to include it guess what no one can use it to it’s ”full potential“

The new iPad Pro better damn well have 6E, this much I do know.
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yeah you have 6e router but 99% of people dont. I am yet to see a good midrange wifi 6e router at $150-$200 range. Still waiting a decent one from Asus at least instead of forking $500+ for their gaming ones. When that time comes, we will see wifi 6e devices everywhere. I do have the asus axe-110000 for a trial use but finding the range terrible for 6ghz even while placing the router in middle of my house. You need direct line of sight to the router for good range.
 
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d5aqoëp said:
I am on Gigabit internet. My iPhone 12 which has Wifi6 does max 600 Mbps under ideal conditions. Where as Google Pixel 6 Pro does full Gigabit on speeds. Let's me do everything faster. Especially when I have 6E gear, why should I be bottlenecked by a top end phone?
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like what allows you to do faster on 1gbps vs 600mbps connection on your phone? Netflix or youtube 4k stutters on your 600mbps wifi 6 connection? I am curious to know how your day to day life on phone is being limited by 600mbps connection.

I totally get your point. I also have 1gbps connection and with wifi 6, you cant really take full advantage of it. But for instagramming/youtube use which most people do all day, there is zero need for wifi 6e. And I use ethernet to take full advantage of 1gbps.

Also the range is terrible for 6e. I also have both 6e devices and router and if I go just one room too far, I lose connection in 6ghz which doesnt happen with 5 Ghz. So for wifi 6e/7, we need to see multiple mesh routers/access points at affordable prices to truly cover a typical house in US. We are far away from that reality. Maybe 6e 6 ghz works well for apartments but not for house in suburbs due to small range.
 
How is this not there? Especially for pro models. I'm sticking with 13 pro max I guess. Transferring data over wifi 6 is so slow compared with 6e, I get around 3-4 faster transfer rates on 6e devices, it also takes much better advantage of my 8gbps internet too! I use pro as suggestively intended as a video capture powerhouse, but they continue to punish us with this. It's been like 2-3 iphone generations now that android flagships have had 6e.

The lightning port is also 480mbps usb 2.0 still. So simular speeds to wifi 6 in the real world. Ancient. What kind of sick joke is it to have 1tb phones with such slow access methods, prores raw is like 20gb per minute of footage. There needs to be a faster way to pull this off for heavens sake!

To all the "I don't see a use case for this" responses, clearly you are not using the pro element of the phone as intended. That's absolutely fine, but don't downplay it for those of us who do...

That aside it's still a joke USB 2.0 lightning and wifi 6 5ghz limitation on a phone so new and expensive... Just no apple!
 
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tomalweb said:
like what allows you to do faster on 1gbps vs 600mbps connection on your phone? Netflix or youtube 4k stutters on your 600mbps wifi 6 connection? I am curious to know how your day to day life on phone is being limited by 600mbps connection.

I totally get your point. I also have 1gbps connection and with wifi 6, you cant really take full advantage of it. But for instagramming/youtube use which most people do all day, there is zero need for wifi 6e. And I use ethernet to take full advantage of 1gbps.

Also the range is terrible for 6e. I also have both 6e devices and router and if I go just one room too far, I lose connection in 6ghz which doesnt happen with 5 Ghz. So for wifi 6e/7, we need to see multiple mesh routers/access points at affordable prices to truly cover a typical house in US. We are far away from that reality. Maybe 6e 6 ghz works well for apartments but not for house in suburbs due to small range.
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Thats you, not me. My 6E router is in my room right beside me. No problem & I don’t go anywhere far with my devices so it works.
 
Cerberus4 said:
Thats you, not me. My 6E router is in my room right beside me. No problem & I don’t go anywhere far with my devices so it works.
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Yeah my whole house gets around 1-1.5gbps with 6e devices. I have a 3x6e mesh with wired backhaul and it's not a big house. But regardless I think most people doing a big copy will be sitting in their home office or equivelent anyway. People spending pro/pro max kinda money on a phone then you probably have money to upgrade to 6e unless someone is just trying to show of with their phone while the rest if their kit lags behind lol.

Being stuck with 5ghz and 480mbps lightning port is so painful. It takes me around 5 minutes to transfer 1 minute of prores raw (20gb). A full 1tb iphone pro/pro max with 1tb of prores raw (50 mins of footage) takes around 4 hours to transfer. So we often just set and forget while we sleep which is giant time waster.

Because I work with large content like that, usually long form interviews, it's annoying to say the least. In fact my colleague owns a second phone that's 512gb, if it wasn't for that using iphone for this purpose would be impractical to say the least as we often need to go past the hour mark.
 
Cerberus4 said:
And? I’m supposed to care about this because? Should this preclude me from being able to use it because of this? Invalid statement.
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This gives off a huge feeling of entitlement.

That’s like saying we should mandate every parking lot have Tesla charging stations because of the “huge” market penetration of Tesla in the U.S.

I’m sure there are numbers somewhere that show clearly the small penetration 6E has in the world.
 
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Cerberus4 said:
And? I’m supposed to care about this because? Should this preclude me from being able to use it because of this? Invalid statement.
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You can use it for android flagship phones if you really care about wifi 6e speeds.

You still dont get it dont you? Apple was never in lead for introducing new stuffs. How long did it take to finally have always on display in lock screen? I had that in galaxy phones 5 years ago. OLED screens how long did that take to come to iphones? more than 5 years before it was mainsteam with android phones. I am not really surprised iphones still dont have 6e given the lack of good midrange 6e routers and mesh systems
 
Peternx said:
Yeah my whole house gets around 1-1.5gbps with 6e devices. I have a 3x6e mesh with wired backhaul and it's not a big house. But regardless I think most people doing a big copy will be sitting in their home office or equivelent anyway. People spending pro/pro max kinda money on a phone then you probably have money to upgrade to 6e unless someone is just trying to show of with their phone while the rest if their kit lags behind lol.

Being stuck with 5ghz and 480mbps lightning port is so painful. It takes me around 5 minutes to transfer 1 minute of prores raw (20gb). A full 1tb iphone pro/pro max with 1tb of prores raw (50 mins of footage) takes around 4 hours to transfer. So we often just set and forget while we sleep which is giant time waster.

Because I work with large content like that, usually long form interviews, it's annoying to say the least. In fact my colleague owns a second phone that's 512gb, if it wasn't for that using iphone for this purpose would be impractical to say the least as we often need to go past the hour mark.
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That is the thing. You have 3x6e mesh which is not cheap for most people. On top of that, not many have wired backhaul as well in their houses which is a must for a good 6e mesh system. Using 6 ghz as backhaul is not as good right now since the range is very weak so speeds drop off below 1gbps rapidly in a 2000+ sq ft house. 6E is still at infancy stage in terms of economics.
 
Cerberus4 said:
Thats you, not me. My 6E router is in my room right beside me. No problem & I don’t go anywhere far with my devices so it works.
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I mean in that case, I just use ethernet if you are hugging close to the router to get full speeds on my laptops and workstations. Most people dont do file transfer or anything like that on their iphones to warrant 1gbps+ speeds. 6E is not great if you have a reasonable sized house. A mesh system is a must with 6ghz spectrum and that is not cheap with asus or netgear lineup right now.
 
canhaz said:
Ahh, think you may have answered my question.

I was kind of confused because AFAICT the Snapdragon X65 SoC has built-in Wifi 6E support and since the iPhone 14 (Pro) uses the X65, it would stand to reason Wifi 6E would be featured.

Guess they couldn't make the antenna work then and hence no 6E.
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Can you link the spec sheet? Was pretty sure the X65 is just a cellular modem and doesn’t handle Wi-Fi.

Trying to determine if the 14 Pros will do 160MHz 802.11ac.
The 13 Pros only do 80MHz.
 
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Squuiid said:
Can you link the spec sheet? Was pretty sure the X65 is just a cellular modem and doesn’t handle Wi-Fi.

Trying to determine if the 14 Pros will do 160MHz 802.11ac.
The 13 Pros only do 80MHz.
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Looks like I got confused. Thanks for the correction.

Indeed the X65 SoC is only mobile. Looks like WiFi and Bluetooth are on a separate SoC FastConnect 6700 (BT 5.2) and 6900 (BT 5.3) both of which support WiFi 6E.

It's not clear to me if Apples uses this Qualcomm SoC in the new 14 Pro or a different supplier for the WiFi/BT module.
 
Squuiid said:
Can you link the spec sheet? Was pretty sure the X65 is just a cellular modem and doesn’t handle Wi-Fi.

Trying to determine if the 14 Pros will do 160MHz 802.11ac.
The 13 Pros only do 80MHz.
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That's because 160mhz makes no sense on AC.
 
To be honest I here because of a search for 6e support. Was also surprised by no SIM cards. Really really want to stay Apple but Samsung been calling my name. Plus add me to the users that swap sims between phones.
 
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Ramboxman said:
To be honest I here because of a search for 6e support. Was also surprised by no SIM cards. Really really want to stay Apple but Samsung been calling my name. Plus add me to the users that swap sims between phones.
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Would also like a version of always on display with minimal information time weather.
 
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