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No iPhone 5...Iphone 4S more likey?
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No i think what he means is that hardware and software make an iPhone an iPhone.
Apple needs to stay competitive, and thus needs to upgrade their hardware. Not upgrading the iPhone 5 to a 4" screen and not using an A5 Dual Core processor, would be suicide.
Moreover, Apple's revolutionary iOS also needs a huge revision as they are lacking features which should have already been there. The biggest is a notification system.
Not to mention the UI looks stale as apart from a few tweaks like homescreen background, the UI hasn't changed since the first iteration of the OS. Apple needs to step it up with iOS, as i feel that they're losing their game, their once revolutionary OS has lagged behind the competition in important areas.
As of now, Apple needs to work on both hardware and software for iPhone 5.
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Can nobody on this site actually use the term " I couldn't care less" correctly??! It's not, " I could care less about the iPhone 5", it is the first quote...implying..."I could not care less" about something meaning you are at the lowest level possible of caring about it.
Saying "you could care less" implies you care a little,,,but this is not a common saying...and its very annoying to read over and over...i doubt i need to highlight the users who do this.
Saying "you could care less" implies you care a little,,,but this is not a common saying...and its very annoying to read over and over...i doubt i need to highlight the users who do this.
The UI certainly needs a refresh. The current workflow essentially based on the original OS from 2007. The device has changed significantly since that time by adding the App Store and multitasking. Interface paradigms have been a bit of a mess for the last year.
On the bright side, the core of the OS is pretty solid. It's very possible to do a significant refresh to the home screen and launcher w/o affecting the environment for existing apps.
I just hope they don't copy Android. Sure they have a better notification system them iOS, but I want something more inspired and tied to workflow. But UI design is a different topic.
considering most of the hardware is there to support the software, then as long as the hardware fully supports the software what else do you want? sure a bigger screen would be nice. but is it something that is going to increase your user satisfaction that significantly, it isn't like the screen is small right now.
obviously you need to add new hardware if you add new capability but at some point you run out of things to add or room to add them
of course they should redesign the antennae and i'm sure they already have prototypes and designs, as for a better camera, it's a camera on a phone the one that is on there right now is pretty damn good, number of megapixels doesn't mean much. and at some point there are diminishing returns in terms of the actual improvement and what you're trading off in terms of price, space, time to develop some other feature, etc.
the biggest mistake apple can make in all of this is to get caught up in a spec sheet war. if they want to keep the market share they need to continue to innovate and that's it. based on what i've seen apple comes up with the concept and then goes out and finds the tech necessary to make it happen. everyone else is too busy throwing everything and the kitchen sink into a phone in an effort take market share and completely miss the boat on the innovation side of things. that is what Jobs did well he was the idea man. and hopefully the new guy does the same otherwise all the Apple fanboys are in for some rough times
That sounds right to me for the safe bets.
For the not-so-safe, I believe its possible (not probable) for 4G, maybe a 1080p ability with the 8mp cam, and we could see a bump in storage (only because of the HD video; otherwise, I wouldn't see why Apple wouldn't keep the storage amount the same)
why is that suicide? what is the dual core cpu getting you other than a nice line on a spec sheet? i would love a dual core cpu, but what is is really buying you on a phone? is the iOS even designed to be multi-threaded?
sure a 4" screen would be nice but it isn't necessary. it doesn't get you any real advantage in the actual use of the device.
i don't argue that these upgrades won't happen but they are hardly necessary and the lack of them doesn't put the iphone in any dire straits
what would be suicide is if apple didn't put LTE into the phone when it is available or gave other hardware updates priotity over the LTE update, because that actually speaks directly to the primary functionality of the device
A bigger screen is not what the iPhone needs. 3.5" is the perfect size. Have you ever held those 4" screens in your hand? They are ridiculously massive and unnecessary. Apple absolutely does not need to change the screen size, and I highly doubt that they will - ever.
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With that kind of reasoning, we would still be stuck with the 2007 iPhone, and only had upgrades for network (Edge > 3G > LTE). We wouldn't have innovation.
The iPhone isn't just a phone, it's a smartphone. As technology moves fast, competition needs to keep up. iOS will need to improve and become a powerful OS, and thus it will need the power from the A5 chip. The A5 chip will power the performance of the other hardware features as well, and other aspects of the future phone.
For example, the iPhone 3G can't run iOS 4 properly, due to it's inadequate internals, clearly it matters.
A 4" screen has a larger screen real estate, maybe this way iOS 5 will block those intrusive notifications? And we'll see them on the top, or on the bottom where we can access them later.
It's just like Mac OS X Lion allowing apps to go full screen. The possibilities are endless.
Yes i've held those 4" screens in my hands, and i'm not talking about increasing the size of the device altogether, just the screen size.
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sorry but that is wrong, the reasoning is sound.
i never said you don't update hardware but you call the lack of a processor upgrade a suicidal decision is ridiculous. it isn't the necessary piece, LTE is the necessary piece. apple isn't going to lose customers because teh CPU isn't the fastest out there. but they would lose customers if they aren't supporting the latest carrier tech when it becomes widely available
and you obviously didn't read all my posts completely, i have have already stated that the hardware has to be paired with the capability of the software. but the upgrade for the sake of an upgrade is meaningless. the iphone 4 runs iOS4 just fine, so if there is no new iOS this year that requires better hardware then the new hardware gets you nothing but a line on a spec sheet and is meaningless. and that is my point.
You said "..they are hardly necessary.." in regards to the hardware update. That's what i was discussing against.
LTE is the necessary piece? The service providers aren't even ready for it yet. You're right, that it's not widely available yet. Thus, Apple has other equally important features to focus on.
When the original iPhone was released, people were already talking about 3G network. But Apple waited until next year when the 3G network was more widespread, and then released the iPhone 3G.
Funny, i also recognize that hardware has to be paired with the capability of the software.
I'm sure by adding the A5 chip, Apple is foreshadowing a more powerful iOS to make use of the hardware. Since hardware updates are once a year, they can't afford to release iOS 5 first and a while later release a hardware update optimized to use iOS. This way the consumers will always be losing. That's why iOS 5 and iPhone 5 will be released together.
Can you imagine how powerful the OS can be using the power of the Dual Core?
I'm not saying that an A5 processor is more necessary than LTE, i'm saying they both are equally, and because LTE won't be available soon, then it's logical to presume what is necessary.
My point is that there will be a new software this year, and it will make use of the hardware. That's what makes an iPhone an iPhone.
We already know the iPad 2 will support iOS 5, and it gave us a hint on what is to be expected from the iPhone 5 by revealing it's specs.
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did you not read my post? i didn't say LTE is necessary right now, i was using it as an example to illustrate when something is necessary and i spefically stated the time when LTE was available on the carriers
as for hardware and software we both agree on that point but that wasn't your initial argument here, you said it was sucidal to not have a cpu upgrade and screen upgrade because of the competition. not because of any software changes. those are 2 entirely different arguments and points. so which is it? are you changing your position?
as for a new iOS this year while i certainly hope there is one this year it still remains to be seen it could very easily just be version 4.5 or whatever they want to call it. apple hasn't said one way or the other and all the so called evidence right now is more wishful thinking than anything else.
Some of your opinions on what the iPhone "needs" make me sincerely glad you aren't part of the Apple design team.
My position stays the same.
It is suicidal not to have the upgrade, due of the competition. It would not be a smart move by Apple. The CPU upgrade would reflect the software in the device. My argument regarding hardware goes hand in hand with software. Which is why i always mentioned how iOS would be affected. That's why i said earlier "As technology moves fast, competition needs to keep up. iOS will need to improve and become a powerful OS, and thus it will need the power from the A5 chip" because the competition will be putting their Dual Core chips to use in their OS.
By not using the A5 processor for this upgrade, Apple is undermining the next generation iOS, and leaving the iPhone to become "old tech" compared to it's competitors. It's not as if we'll be running iOS 4 on the iPhone 5.
If history is any evidence, then there will be an iOS 5 this year.
iOS 3 went up to 3.1.3 for the iPhones before the upgrade to 4.
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you never even acknowledge software until i mention it. you along with others have been stating upgrading hardware for the sake of the hardware and never mention software, now you want to hitch your wagon to the software after i bring it up, which is fine, but acknowledge that fact.
and no a hardware upgrade doesn't indicate an update to software that would take full advantage. you can make an assumption but it isn't any evidence and still it remains to be seen how much real world benefit there will be.
and you still haven't shown how it is suicidal (ie, and essential piece) to not include a cpu upgrade. you can argue it is suicidal not to improve the iOS and as a consequence of that hardware needs an upgrade for it to run correctly. but not the other way around, that would be putting the cart before the horse
so the argument would sound like this:
the iOS is in need of a face lift and update to compete with Android and other new mobile OS platforms. the new innovations will require new hardware to provide the end user the best experience so the next iphone should have better hardware to pave the way for it.
the key here is the hardware is a consequence of the actual upgrade which is the software, the software drives the whole thing
your statement from the beginning has been, they need to upgrade hardware because other phones have better specs and the iphone needs to keep up with those specs. that is a completely different argument and a bad plan because it shows no forethought whatsoever
the one thing apple has always been good at is not getting caught up in that crap, they move hardware based on their plan for the product and they could care less about what anyone else is doing.
Never acknowledged software until you mentioned it?
I didn't explicitly state improving hardware for the sake of software in my previous post because I thought it was pretty obvious that hardware is nothing without software and vice versa.
Which is why i described software on my stance in the argument as we continued to discuss, only because you decided to bring up the obvious fact that the OS is affected by the hardware.
In my previous related posts i had made it simple and split hardware and software to 2 different elements of things that need to be improved for the next iteration of the iPhone.
Apple's iPhones have maximized their software capabilities with their given hardware. That's why the iPhone 3G still runs iOS 4, but it's slow. But they might/might not use the new CPU to it's maximum, but it has the potential to, and that's what we were talking about. This is MacRumors right? So we speculate.
Still haven't shown how it's most essential? I guess you completely missed my points regarding the future of iOS in the last few posts then. We were only discussing how the CPU affects OS, since you brought it up, and not mentioning the GPU and other important upgradable features.
This was my opinion, some of us just want a bigger screen because we're tired of the 3.5", some of us want a Dual Core so that we get better games. It's not fair to generalize that this is what the other people want as well.
Wrong, i said that they need to upgrade their hardware and software because of the competition.
Then you asked why, how would the OS use a dual core?
So i responded, that for example a better CPU would mean the OS would have more potential to be more powerful.
And now you're saying that you came up with the idea that software is affected by the hardware, and me and the others have been saying to upgrade hardware for the sake of hardware.
That was our discussion.
So now you're telling me how to post my opinions?
I wasn't writing an executive report to a company, i was just posting my opinions in a leisure manner.
I feel that this has gone severely off topic. I believe the misunderstanding was what i meant by adding those upgrades "because of competition", and in no way did i specifically say that only hardware has to be upgraded due to hardware specific competition.
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I think it's pretty unlikely that Apple would just sit out an entire development cycle, having just been overtaken in marketshare by Android this year. If there's one thing Steve Jobs is not good at, it's being a gracious loser. He's going to fight back.
By this time next year, dual core android phones will be very common (and inexpensive), and while Apple hasn't always shown the greatest desire to be on the bleeding edge with new tech, they have already placed an A5 in the iPad2, so something similar to the cpu downsizing from the iPad -> iPhone 4 is not out of the question. We know that Apple is very careful to balance feature count with speed, so we can be pretty sure that they've cut iOS features in the past that slowed the phone down. With dual cores, they can probably add some of the features that were previously too slow, which is exciting.
Also, having a new GPU that's many times faster than the current GPUs is probably an even larger leap than the CPU - and development won't get moving if it's just in the iPad2 and no other device. To really gain momentum, they need the sort of numbers than a combined AT&T + Verizon iPhone5 and iPad 2 will bring to the table.
Plus, we can be pretty sure that there will be no LTE in this years iPhone, so they need other enhancements for 2011 (besides more RAM/Storage) - "true" 4G can be their rallying cry for 2012.
By this time next year, dual core android phones will be very common (and inexpensive), and while Apple hasn't always shown the greatest desire to be on the bleeding edge with new tech, they have already placed an A5 in the iPad2, so something similar to the cpu downsizing from the iPad -> iPhone 4 is not out of the question. We know that Apple is very careful to balance feature count with speed, so we can be pretty sure that they've cut iOS features in the past that slowed the phone down. With dual cores, they can probably add some of the features that were previously too slow, which is exciting.
Also, having a new GPU that's many times faster than the current GPUs is probably an even larger leap than the CPU - and development won't get moving if it's just in the iPad2 and no other device. To really gain momentum, they need the sort of numbers than a combined AT&T + Verizon iPhone5 and iPad 2 will bring to the table.
Plus, we can be pretty sure that there will be no LTE in this years iPhone, so they need other enhancements for 2011 (besides more RAM/Storage) - "true" 4G can be their rallying cry for 2012.
The fact it is a dual-core , "superphone" coined by CNET, it is iPhone 5. I am hearing that it will look like a mini-iPad. It seems cool! Plus, I suspect 1 gig of RAM. I do hear that iOS 5.0 will be huge!! A major os update, gigantic!! (Scobilizer). I suspect the camera will be closer dslr - "like". Not a real dslr, but close. Possibly, a 4 inch screen. 64 gig storage. Possibly TD-LTE. NFC.
It will be nice. First in line!~
I think it will be like 3G to 3GS again. I also see the possibility of an aluminum back, which the only reason they removed it from the first is because of signal degradation, since the antenna is on the side.
2x faster CPU, like 3G to 3GS. A5 SoC 1GHz, based on Cortex A9
9x faster GPU, same as iPad- Dual SGX543
Possibly better camera, dont know if 8MP
720P facetime camera like new MBPs
1GB of ram maybe
16gb,32gb,64gb and Faster flash storage
Revamped Notifications
Stereo speakers would be cool
oh and likely a 4in screen
2x faster CPU, like 3G to 3GS. A5 SoC 1GHz, based on Cortex A9
9x faster GPU, same as iPad- Dual SGX543
Possibly better camera, dont know if 8MP
720P facetime camera like new MBPs
1GB of ram maybe
16gb,32gb,64gb and Faster flash storage
Revamped Notifications
Stereo speakers would be cool
oh and likely a 4in screen
Link or it's BS.
Ok.
"But all of these moves are leading up to the iPhone 5 -- a completely redesigned handset -- which our sources say is on track for a summer launch. Right now, the device is being tested discreetly by senior staff at Apple (strictly on campus only). We don't have much info on the phone at this point, but our understanding is that the new device will be a total rethink from a design standpoint and will be running atop Apple's new A5 CPU (a Cortex A9-based, multi-core chip)."
http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/14/exclusive-the-future-of-the-ipad-2-iphone-5-and-apple-tv-and/
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