StealthRider
macrumors 65816
The fact that your mom's a flight attendant (a good one, even) has no bearing on any other flight attendant. Let's stipulate that we're not talking about your mother.
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The fact that your mom's a flight attendant (a good one, even) has no bearing on any other flight attendant. Let's stipulate that we're not talking about your mother.
I was using a Earthmate USB GPS on my laptop with the receiver stuck to the window. A flight attendant told me it wasn't allowed by the FAA. I told her, nicely, that it was, but she was insistent so I shut it off. She actually came by later and said she'd asked the pilot and he told her it was legal by both FAA and NWA and said I could turn it back on.
Carnegie-Mellon University did a study released about a year ago that found that cell phones interfered with GPS navigation instruments more than previously believed
CMU press release here...
Their study was one of the main reasons the FAA backtracked on their plans to allow personal cell phone use on planes equipped with re-radiation equipment to hit satellites. That and passenger surveys that found 85% plus of the flying public were opposed.
Carnegie-Mellon University did a study released about a year ago that found that cell phones interfered with GPS navigation instruments more than previously believed
CMU press release here...
Their study was one of the main reasons the FAA backtracked on their plans to allow personal cell phone use on planes equipped with re-radiation equipment to hit satellites. That and passenger surveys that found 85% plus of the flying public were opposed.
Rodimus Prime
macrumors G4
do not forget to add the range is a lot farther in the sky than it is on ground because line towers are always in line of sight with not a thing getting in their way.
On the ground you have a lot of objects that will get in the way of the signal on top of the curvature of the earth also limiting range. In the sky both of those things are not a factor so yes you more than likely could using you cell at 30K feet.
As for 9/11 come on people just turn on their cells. Who gives a flying flip about the cell phone rules if you plan is hijacked.
As for the OP it the fight attendants call and if they say turn it off YOU TURN IT OFF. Lets face it. Airplane mode is a very foreign thing to most people and even the pass agers could easily forget to turn it on or even know it is on. Easy way to deal with it is just ban them all. On a computer it is very easy to tell if the wifi is on or off.
Cell phones do get signal from airplanes. People have accidentally left their cell phones on in flight and there havent been problems, and the phone shows good reception.
Back on topic, I'd rather not argue with an FA, I'd just show her politely that airplane mode is on and ask her if I can continue using it. I figure with a name like "Airplane mode" she'd know what it meant.
Though it may get complicated in the future, as several airlines are looking at installing WiFi equipment in their planes (JetBlue being one of them).
Back on topic, I'd rather not argue with an FA, I'd just show her politely that airplane mode is on and ask her if I can continue using it. I figure with a name like "Airplane mode" she'd know what it meant.
Though it may get complicated in the future, as several airlines are looking at installing WiFi equipment in their planes (JetBlue being one of them).
FAA rules regarding electronic devices
FAR part 91.21
(a) Except as provided in paragraph (b) of this section, no person may operate nor may any operator or pilot in command of an aircraft allow the operation of, any portable electronic device on any of the following U.S.-Registered civil aircraft:
(1) Aircraft operated by a holder of an air carrier operating certificate; or
(2) Any other aircraft while its operated under IFR.
(b) Paragraph (a) of this section does not apply to-
(1) Portable voice recorder;
(2) Hearing aids;
(3) Heart Pacemakers;
(4) Electric Shavers; or
(5) Any other portable electronic device that the operator of the aircraft has determined will not cause interference with the navigation or communication system of the aircraft on which it is to be used.
(c) In the case of an aircraft operated by a holder of an air carrier operating certificate, the determination required by paragraph (b)(5) of this section shall be made by the operator of the aircraft on which the particular device is to be used. In the case of other aircraft, the determination may be made by the pilot in command or other operator of the aircraft.
- All US air carriers operate under IFR. This is where this applies..
FAR part 91.21
(a) Except as provided in paragraph (b) of this section, no person may operate nor may any operator or pilot in command of an aircraft allow the operation of, any portable electronic device on any of the following U.S.-Registered civil aircraft:
(1) Aircraft operated by a holder of an air carrier operating certificate; or
(2) Any other aircraft while its operated under IFR.
(b) Paragraph (a) of this section does not apply to-
(1) Portable voice recorder;
(2) Hearing aids;
(3) Heart Pacemakers;
(4) Electric Shavers; or
(5) Any other portable electronic device that the operator of the aircraft has determined will not cause interference with the navigation or communication system of the aircraft on which it is to be used.
(c) In the case of an aircraft operated by a holder of an air carrier operating certificate, the determination required by paragraph (b)(5) of this section shall be made by the operator of the aircraft on which the particular device is to be used. In the case of other aircraft, the determination may be made by the pilot in command or other operator of the aircraft.
- All US air carriers operate under IFR. This is where this applies..
mongoos150
macrumors 6502a
Because the idiot flight attendants don't know anything about technology. Just do what I do, hide it when they walk past. Before iGot iPhone, I kept my LG in my pocket the entire time. Never turned it off. It's fine. There was an article that was even released somewhere by a big tech journal that cellular AND bluetooth/wifi signals do nothing to plane equipment. (Take JetBlue's wifi service, for example). 🙄
DoFoT9
macrumors P6
agreed its not like they can chuck you out of the plane during the middle of a flight.. or can they ???😎
Cell phone signals do cause problems from time to time. I have had to "go missed" on an approach because I forgot to turn off my phone and my wife called me thinking I was on the ground already.
The carriers that are talking about installing wifi and other related services have to shield the avionics and use special wiring.
The carriers that are talking about installing wifi and other related services have to shield the avionics and use special wiring.
StealthRider
macrumors 65816
Are you willing to bet your life on that statement? That's a tad melodramatic, of course, but there are reasons that these rules are in place. If you're not an expert in communications and navigation (I know I'm certainly not), then it's probably not your place to interpret these rules your own way, risking other people's lives in the process.
And I can probably find an article by "a big tech journal" that says they do.
EDIT: Or, straight from the FAA
Enjoy your stay in jail. Causing a ruckus like that will get you locked up, right or worng.
JNB
macrumors 604
Actually, Paras (a)1, (b)5, and (c) apply. The "air carrier operating certificate" pertains, for the purpose of this discussion, to Part 119 commercial carriers. ANY aircraft appropriately equipped can fly IFR.
The rule does apply, just not for the reason you stated. 😉
SheriffParker
macrumors 6502a
I used mine on a plane yesterday and had no trouble doing so. Flight attendant was even watching.
polishmacuser
macrumors 6502a
i hope i have the same experience as you do on monday. International flights are long and painful if you dont have gadgets so i hope lufthansa will let me with the iphone😀
😀 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀
hahaha nice one.. hahaha
the best way is just to show the setting and u switch to AIRPLANE MODE ON
and show to her.. if she still being an ass , punch her and get arrested..
fck it ! ahah
polishmacuser
macrumors 6502a
janey
macrumors 603
Oh really?
Last I checked, on all Macs running OS X, the only thing that would tell you at first glance that the wifi was on is the icon in the menubar, and even then it's not like the FA will notice if they just walk past.
In windows, a system tray item.
Hmm, easy to tell indeed.
Just Flew with No Problems.
I just flew from LA to NY and used it in "Airplane" mode - no one bothered me - except everyone craining their necks to get a peek at the coolest gadget since the Walkman came out.
I just flew from LA to NY and used it in "Airplane" mode - no one bothered me - except everyone craining their necks to get a peek at the coolest gadget since the Walkman came out.
DoFoT9
macrumors P6
Sometimes its not the Flight Attendant that is ignorant, its their boss.
I've worked for people above me who forced me to perform functions of my job that led others to believe I was ignorant.
I've worked for people above me who forced me to perform functions of my job that led others to believe I was ignorant.
StealthRider
macrumors 65816
KLM is a Dutch (some would say the Dutch) airline.
EWR is the airport code for, I believe, Newark Intl. Airport.
And I would assume AMS is the code for Amsterdam's airport.