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No 'iTunes In The Cloud' for United Kingdom Until 2012

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As much as i love a bit of 'label bashing', you have to remember that its still the way LOTS of artists make money.

Musicians still deserve/NEED to be paid for their music and it seems for the meantime the PRS are FIGHTING for the best deal they can get for musicians! The PRS and PPL and mostly the Musicians Union, in the UK, are all there to help musicians get what they deserve in royalties payments and the correct treatment from the industry.

Personally, i say good on them for letting the US test the water with this system. We've already got spotify anyway :D
 
Try Hong Kong ... super advanced City/SAR, almost 8m people... no itunes music store at all, and not even a hint of one – let alone iCloud. Come to think of it, there is only a couple of physical music shops ... it's almost like promoting piracy.

I do indeed wonder what the regional Apple team do here. Probably, trawling around Wanchai looking for knock-off iPads .. and CDs.

I would love to be able to purchase music from iTunes ..
 
I'm going to assume that this is the labels fault.

I wonder if Apple target the US so that the other countries swoon when they see the money that everyone makes?
 
maisey said:
As much as i love a bit of 'label bashing', you have to remember that its still the way LOTS of artists make money.

Musicians still deserve/NEED to be paid for their music and it seems for the meantime the PRS are FIGHTING for the best deal they can get for musicians! The PRS and PPL and mostly the Musicians Union, in the UK, are all there to help musicians get what they deserve in royalties payments and the correct treatment from the industry.

Personally, i say good on them for letting the US test the water with this system. We've already got spotify anyway :D
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Given the history of the recording industry generally it's a long bow to draw to suggest they are doing this for the artists, well music artists that is. It's probably about protecting executive salaries, they are artists of another kind.
 
johnnyjibbs said:
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What gives? Music industry: lame and backwards as usual... Who suffers? The consumer...
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The consumer has been pirating and stealing the works of the creative industry for a decade. It's the creative industry that has been suffering. All the hard work done to lobby and held thieves accountable for their actions could be undone if this deal is as open to abuse as some think it is. All for a large short-term payment? You cannot blame those in important overseas markets from staying well away from this service.
 
UK behind?! Aust will never get it

Sounds like this will never happen for Aust/NZ.... Stupid Govts etc
Apple please make this happen (same with iBooks make them work in Aust/NZ as well I don't want a Kindle)
 
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This was to be expected. So we'll have to wait a few more months... It's really not the end of the world.

RTP.
 
ja5en said:
Try Hong Kong ... super advanced City/SAR, almost 8m people... no itunes music store at all, and not even a hint of one – let alone iCloud. Come to think of it, there is only a couple of physical music shops ... it's almost like promoting piracy.

I do indeed wonder what the regional Apple team do here. Probably, trawling around Wanchai looking for knock-off iPads .. and CDs.

I would love to be able to purchase music from iTunes ..
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Totally agree, both the music labels and Apple are missing out on a huge market! If they actually sold their devices/ music here, the piracy and grey market goods would actually decrease!

I do sometimes wonder if Apple Asia has its head so far up its collective rear, it can't hear the people asking these questions!
 
It's just the stupid record labels and "performance arts" companies that are just too slow and too greedy.

This is so unfair :/
 
I guess you can still upload the library, even if it may take days or weeks right?
 
Am I correct in thinking that this is just referring to the iTunes functionality of the iCloud?

All the other bits will work on launch in the UK, won't they.....?
 
newagemac said:
From the article you supposedly just read:

Vice president and research director at Forrester Research told The Telegraph "the UK arms of all the major record labels are biding their time and waiting to see how the service affects download sales in the US before they sign up to anything."
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And how exactly is this going to affect download sales?
It is NOT a steeaming service, people don't get access to the full 18M tunes in iTunes for $25 a year, they only get access to the track THEY ALLREADY OWN.

People will still need to purchase tracks if they want to have them, either buy on CD or from iTunes or I suppose steal them, but either way it is not going to affect the current sales levels in a negative way.

They UK guys are greedy idiots and I for one will now stop 'buying' music until they approve the UK service.
 
Not only UK but also the Netherlands are left out.

I am seriously trying to get around this... There must be a way to get my account switched to a US account... lets find it...

I live in this god damn WORLD... not some stupid country!!!!!!
 
I'm from the UK but I'm not really fussed if iTunes Match doesn't come straight away. Provided that the other elements of iCloud are made available to us that is.

iTunes Match is based upon ripping CDs, or getting music from other sources. You're going to be adding this music to your Mac/Pc first so I don't really see why you'd need iTunes Match, just wirelessly sync your iOS device and you've got the music on your device. The only time I could see you wanting to use iTunes Match is to bring music down to your iOS device when you're away from your Mac/Pc.

I accept that when you're away from your Mac/Pc for extended periods of time it could be useful, or on occasions you just want a track that isn't on your iOS device now, but that's just keeping the status quo as it currently is. It could be a nice to have, but I don't see that it would be a feature you'd use all the time and really really need.
 
So, what's your bets for the UK?

1: iTunes match won't work in the same manner as it's going to in the U.S ?

2: Due to the record industry's greed the price get's set a lot higher than $25

3: Both!

It's amazing that they STILL don't get it.
The way these industries work is the reason people pirate stuff in the 1st place. And no one feels sorry for them.
 
MartiNZ said:
I think it's almost a given at this point, I certainly assumed that it would be US only to start - hey even amazon mp3 is still US only. The iPhone took a year to get beyond that; anything that requires their negotiating with other, notoriously difficult, organisations, is going to start US only pretty much :(.
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To be fair:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/browse.html?node=77197031

http://www.amazon.de/gp/browse.html?node=77195031

http://www.amazon.fr/b/?ie=UTF8&node=77196031

http://www.amazon.co.jp/gp/browse.html?node=2128134051
 
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maisey said:
As much as i love a bit of 'label bashing', you have to remember that its still the way LOTS of artists make money.

Musicians still deserve/NEED to be paid for their music and it seems for the meantime the PRS are FIGHTING for the best deal they can get for musicians! The PRS and PPL and mostly the Musicians Union, in the UK, are all there to help musicians get what they deserve in royalties payments and the correct treatment from the industry.

Personally, i say good on them for letting the US test the water with this system. We've already got spotify anyway :D
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Do you have any idea how puny the Spotify royalty payments are? I can't imagine any worse deal for musicians and songwriters than allowing the record companies posing as an indie streaming service to keep all the revenue and pay what amounts to almost zero royalties.

There is a great set of graphics here that lay out visually how many sales or plays an artist would have generate to earn the minimum wage; 143 self-pressed CD sales or 4 million Spotify plays.
 
I'm in Canada and in the same boat. I don't know if I should blame Apple's international subsidiaries or the local content providers, but I think we're all sick of this.

People who use iTunes are generally the people who actually are willing to pay for music. How far behind are these executives trying to hold on to charging upwards of $20 so people can listen to the 1-2 songs they actually like?

If iTunes Match can be used to legitimize pirated music, I get the resistance, but not agreeing to let us re-download music we've actually paid for is ridiculous.

PS. Why can I still not rent TV Shows on my Apple TV? I have cable but apparently someone in the chain is afraid to make extra money.
 
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