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So many badly spec'ed laptops nowadays...

A matter of opinion that reflects your needs and not the needs of the average consumer. Most people don't constantly have devices/drives plugged in to their laptop ports. They plug something in when they need it and take it out when they're done.

Laptops are so much more portable when they haven't got dongles sticking out of them.

If you need more get a docking station or a hub.
 
Right, because thunderbolt peripherals are so plentiful and competitively priced?

Besides which, since hubs don't exist and most existing TB peripherals don't properly support daisy-chaining, you run into the not enough ports problem again just as quickly, if not more so.

If you think thunderbolt peripheral prices are bad in the states, they're insane in australia.

A sonnet PCI box is $799. with nothing in it (add north of $200 for a GPU worth anything). The pro version is something like $999.

I recently looked into it, with a view to getting rid of my MBP and running an air + Discrete GPU in a PCI expansion box.

I could buy a gaming PC PLUS an MBA for the cost of it all.
 
USB flash drives don't tend to be reliable enough for me to put anything important on anyway, so I need a port for that once in a blue moon. If I want to send someone else files, I'll AirDrop it 5% of the time, or Dropbox it the other 95%.

I think I've plugged in my iPhone and iPad together once, to see if iTunes would sync both, but I never need to sync both. Hell, I rarely need to sync either with iCloud and WiFi sync.

My external HD plugs in over Firewire, because backing up 200gb of data over USB2 is a total joke.

My "go everywhere" camera uses SD cards, so I never need to bring a card reader when I travel. My DSLR uses CF cards, so I only need a USB port for when I use that.

My home printer is shared over the network, so it sits connected to a desktop downstairs. It's cheaper than everyone in the house buying their own printer.

So my only normal USB usage comes from my external keyboard/mouse (one port). But if I had 3 ports, then I would still have 2 ports open to look more professional with!

If you think thunderbolt peripheral prices are bad in the states, they're insane in australia.

A sonnet PCI box is $799. with nothing in it (add north of $200 for a GPU worth anything). The pro version is something like $999.

I recently looked into it, with a view to getting rid of my MBP and running an air + Discrete GPU in a PCI expansion box.

I could buy a gaming PC PLUS an MBA for the cost of it all.

While I agree that TB devices are definitely expensive, things like a PCI expansion are entirely made possible by TB. This isn't exactly a case where you could buy a cheaper, USB3 version (if only you had more USB ports, or something).
 
While I agree that TB devices are definitely expensive, things like a PCI expansion are entirely made possible by TB. This isn't exactly a case where you could buy a cheaper, USB3 version (if only you had more USB ports, or something).


Don't get me wrong - I'm a MASSIVE thunderbolt fan, but when an (empty!) enclosure is more expensive than an entire Core i5 laptop from one of the PC manufacturers, something is wrong.


I'd love to buy an MBA + enclosure + video card and do away with my MBP 15", but its just not financially sensible.
 
Don't get me wrong - I'm a MASSIVE thunderbolt fan, but when an (empty!) enclosure is more expensive than an entire Core i5 laptop from one of the PC manufacturers, something is wrong.


I'd love to buy an MBA + enclosure + video card and do away with my MBP 15", but its just not financially sensible.

the 'exclusivity' allows TB manufacturers to charge ripoff prices ... annoys the hell out of me ...
 
Don't get me wrong - I'm a MASSIVE thunderbolt fan, but when an (empty!) enclosure is more expensive than an entire Core i5 laptop from one of the PC manufacturers, something is wrong.

The main reason for cost is that these products serve a niche market for people who have a professional need for a specific PCIe card (which probably costs twice as much as the enclosure) - in electronics, low volume==high cost, a combination of the lack of 'economies of scale' and low incentive for competition.

AFAIK OS X won't run video cards over Thunderbolt, and even if it did, GPUs are one of the few PCIe cards that actually make use of 8 or 16 PCIe lanes c.f. the 2 you get over Thunderbolt. Otherwise lots of people would be adding graphics cards to their Mac Minis and 13" MBPs and the prices would come down.

The main disappointment of TB is the slow progress of TB "docking stations" - its taking them ages to come to market, they've been playing "which feature shall we leave out" (TB daisy-chain? FireWire? eSATA? All but one USB3 port?*) and doing a poor marketing job of distinguishing them from USB3 hubs.

(* Given the fixed overhead of any thunderbolt peripheral, I'm in the 'everything but the kitchen sink' camp when it comes to what else should go in the box).
 
A matter of opinion that reflects your needs and not the needs of the average consumer. Most people don't constantly have devices/drives plugged in to their laptop ports. They plug something in when they need it and take it out when they're done.

Laptops are so much more portable when they haven't got dongles sticking out of them.

If you need more get a docking station or a hub.

3 USB ports is an average need.
 
AFAIK OS X won't run video cards over Thunderbolt, and even if it did, GPUs are one of the few PCIe cards that actually make use of 8 or 16 PCIe lanes c.f. the 2 you get over Thunderbolt. Otherwise lots of people would be adding graphics cards to their Mac Minis and 13" MBPs and the prices would come down.


You know what they say about assumptions....

A mate's MBA playing Borderlands 2


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxLRFZ3jeEk


Thunderbolt -> GTX650


Yes, it will lose some performance vs native PCIe.
It is still much faster than integrated GPU.


As I keep saying on here, and people don't seem to understand - most video cards don't flog the PCI bus continually. Yes, faster bus helps but most of the traffic is to video memory, on the card while rendering.
 
3 USB ports is an average need.

Not really no. Most average consumers probably hardly ever even use their USB ports apart from the occasional storage dongle. Maybe a 3G dongle.

The MacBook Pro with Retina Display comes with 2 USB 3.0, 2 Thunderbolt, an SD card slot, and a HDMI port. That's not badly spec'd in my opinion. It's a portable computer remember, not a desktop.
 
What's wrong with Bluetooth?

Yeah seriously? I just use a bluetooth mouse and keyboard. No need to worry about USB ports being taken up. Also if you need it that bad just get a USB hub.

Blue tooth doesn't work in a pre OS environment

well then you can tell us where should you put another usb3.0 port on this layout?

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sure everybody can simply said i want x-usb ports on my machine, but it too depends largely on design considerations.

How about they change the layout?

The whining about some oddball configurations on this forum is getting old. People act as if they are personally offended that apple doesn't provide the exact configuration they want. If it isn't an Ethernet port, then it's USB ports, or a dGPU on a 13", or a blueray drive, or 17" display. Do you people have a narcissistic personality disorder or something? Why do you feel so entitled to YOUR perfect configuration. It is what it is. 90% of actual potential customers could care less about most of the things people ask for in here. It's getting really sickening and takes away from this forum. This forum should focus on actual questions and/or problems people are having with their MBPs not all this stupid narcissistic whining about why can't Apple please ME. Boo hoo! Go cry somewhere else.

Yet crying about someone complaining is far more productive, especially if the complaint is ya know legit.
 
Not really no. Most average consumers probably hardly ever even use their USB ports apart from the occasional storage dongle. Maybe a 3G dongle.

The MacBook Pro with Retina Display comes with 2 USB 3.0, 2 Thunderbolt, an SD card slot, and a HDMI port. That's not badly spec'd in my opinion. It's a portable computer remember, not a desktop.

mouse + drive (Y cord)
usb stick + drive (Y cord)
mouse + low power hard drive + low power optical drive
mouse + keyboard + phone
mouse + USB stick + phone
mouse + low power drive + phone
mouse + USB stick + low power drive

and so on

Those are all normal usage scenarios

The point is not to have to carry a hub plus power supply.

Bluetooth is not a great experience on Windows, so most people just use corded or dongle mice and keyboards.
 
No laptop should have less than 3 USB ports
Why are you the one to specify this for everyone else? If you want 3 or more then only consider those with 3 or more when shopping. You can't just assume that your needs/wants are universal on any topic.
 
Yes, make one a 5 1/4 for backwards compatibility!!! lol

No, the 5¼ is for future-proofing. The main one, of course should be 8 inch.

I don't know why it is, but I just feel better knowing I have 8 inches when others just have a 3½ inch micro-floppy.
 
2 is enough, if need to plug 3+ devices just use an usb powered hub

It's difficult finding a reliable USB 3.0 hub, though. My Satechi just bit the dust on me 3 months in. It won't even recognize my USB 3.0 Seagate GoFlex anymore.

Why are there seemingly so many issues with USB 3.0 hubs?? It's like there's this fatal flaw with the spec or something.

Still, I suppose you can use a simple USB 2.0 hub for other devices and plug the HDDs directly into the MacBook. Those Thunderbolt docks are looking better and better.
 
Not really no. Most average consumers probably hardly ever even use their USB ports apart from the occasional storage dongle. Maybe a 3G dongle.

The MacBook Pro with Retina Display comes with 2 USB 3.0, 2 Thunderbolt, an SD card slot, and a HDMI port. That's not badly spec'd in my opinion. It's a portable computer remember, not a desktop.

Keyboard
Mouse
external hard-drive/iphone/ipad which draws too much power to run off the keyboard

= rage

Especially if it's a USB stick and is too fat to fix next to the keyboard plug on the classic...
 
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