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No Mac Pro: Not Fair

foidulus said:
you are ignoring pretty much one of the fundamental laws of computing(and economics for that matter)...blahblahblahblah...HD video and near real-time editing is now becoming the baseline instead of the exception and more and more powerful computers are needed to meet the increased demand.

Not to mention that with the economy professionals now need to be more adaptable than ever. If your 2009 mac pro renders a complex edit in 8 hours while your competitor, a windows user with a brand new Dell, can do it in 6, who do you think the customer is going to choose?
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I think the customer is going to probably choose the guy that gets the work done. Not the one that sits around whining about his computer not being fast enough as an excuse for lack of skill.

Have you ever worked one day in actual video post production? I'm not talking youtube videos or anti-drunk-driving spots for local cable. If you had, you'd know there's a lot more to it than rendering speed.
 
I wonder would people be even more angry if Apple would announce that no new Mac Pros until January 2011. Or would they be less angry when they would know and plan their purchaces wisely.
 
VirtuallyReal said:
2009 Mac Pro's are not as reliable as 2008 Mac Pro's, hence the need for a "quick" update; i decided to skip the 2009's, that's why i'm waiting for the 2010.
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I question your definition of the word reliable, as I have had no trouble with my Gainestown in the year-and-three that I've had it.

i think i don't need your unsolicited advise, thanks,
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You came to a forum but don't want unsolicited advice? :p

I think we all deserve it.
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Deserve... It's a computer. Apple doesn't owe you, us, or anyone anything.
 
Halamolo said:
I wonder would people be even more angry if Apple would announce that no new Mac Pros until January 2011. Or would they be less angry when they would know and plan their purchaces wisely.
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The only one to suffer from a pre-announcement would be Apple. No one would buy the current model when they know of the existence of its successor.
 
Halamolo said:
So I guess this strategy they have now is really good PR?
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You have to remember that the people to whom the Mac Pro is marketed don't want their machines to be outdated right after they purchase them. Updating hardware every six months is contrary to their plans and would be worse PR.
 
Marty Macfly said:
You have to remember that the people to whom the Mac Pro is marketed don't want their machines to be outdated right after they purchase them. Updating hardware every six months is contrary to their plans and would be worse PR.
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I wouldn´t mind, it would definitely be better than this BS. But maybe twice a year is too much, unless it´s some minor spec bumps.

Once a year should be at least the goal.
 
Halamolo said:
I wouldn´t mind, it would definitely be better than this BS. But maybe twice a year is too much, unless it´s some minor spec bumps.

Once a year should be at least the goal.
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Well, ask Intel to make chips faster, then. :p

Gulftown is out now, so we should see a Westmere Mac Pro fairly soon. Beyond that, Sandy Bridge Xeons won't be available until Q3 2011.
 
While I (and probably many others posting here) can handle having 4 core nehalem vs 6 core westmere processors, what upsets me the most are the current graphics card options.

ATI's 5000 series cards have been out since last fall and now Nvidia's fermi cards have been out for a few months too. There is no way that Apple can justify selling an ati 4870 as its high end graphics option. The quadro 4800, which you have to order separately, is a huge leap in price and is really pretty old tech at this point.
 
Its June, so there is no possible way that there will be NO updates in the next half of the year?
 
Halamolo said:
So with "soon" you mean approx. in 6 months? :p
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At no point did I ever say that, and in no way did I ever emphasize that we have an extended waiting period ahead of us. Penryn Xeons came out in November of 2007, I believe, and we waited two months for a physical manifestation of their release. I forget when Gulftown came out, but the point of this whole matter is: you're all whining and you need to stop. ;)

The current wait for a Mac Pro pales in comparison to the time between the first and the second. The target market for this machine can bear to wait a few more weeks or a month.
 
Halamolo said:
´Cause lately the Mac Pro release has been always in January. Just a logical way looking at it.
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So what made you think they might release the new version yesterday?

By your logic, they'd be just as likely to release it tomorrow, next week, or next month as this coming January.
 
Pure thoughtless speculation on the OP's part.

They're coming, I can be certain on that.
Why you might ask?
Because no company in their right mind is going to drop a 2 year gap in their development pipeline. There's a difference between neglecting your products and just outright abandoning them.

Reasons for the apparent delay?
Everyone else has already talked about this, but its clearly Intel. They need the hexacore x in good supply; first they didn't have the x, now they probably just need to ramp up production. If anything, this proves that Apple does care; they could have just released a minor update revision with slightly faster versions of the current procs, add more RAM and a new GPU, and call it a day.
 
Marty Macfly said:
I question your definition of the word reliable, as I have had no trouble with my Gainestown in the year-and-three that I've had it.

LUCKY YOU


You came to a forum but don't want unsolicited advice? :p

I MEANT YOUR ANNOYING "BUY A PC" ADVISE; I'M NOT HERE ASKING WHAT TO DO, I'M HERE SAYING THAT THIS LONG WAIT FOR THE NEXT MAC PRO SUCKS.

Deserve... It's a computer. Apple doesn't owe you, us, or anyone anything.

COMPANIES ARE DEVOTED TO THEIR SHAREHOLDER'S INTERESTS, RIGHT BUT THEY ALWAYS MAKE SURE TO KEEP THEIR CUSTOMERS HAPPY; THEY EXIST BECAUSE WE BUY THEIR STUFF; WE, IN RETURN, DESERVE THEM TO FULFILL OUR NEEDS SO THE CASH KEEPS FLOWING. WE EXCHANGE OUR MONEY FOR THINGS WE NEED, WHEN WE NEED THEM, AND AT AN AVERAGE PRICE OF $4,000 , IS EXACTLY WHAT WE SHOULD GET ON THIS SEGMENT.
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I think you might work @ :apple:.
 
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wally21 said:
While I (and probably many others posting here) can handle having 4 core nehalem vs 6 core westmere processors, what upsets me the most are the current graphics card options.

ATI's 5000 series cards have been out since last fall and now Nvidia's fermi cards have been out for a few months too. There is no way that Apple can justify selling an ati 4870 as its high end graphics option. The quadro 4800, which you have to order separately, is a huge leap in price and is really pretty old tech at this point.
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+1
 
Apple could quiet us down real quick if they would just give some basic info on what the plan here is. It getting quite maddening.
And as for all you people complaining about us complaining, the old saying . . . the squeaky wheel gets the grease hopefully still applies. Although with Apple, the wheel needs to squeak loudly and continuously to be heard. ;)
 
Marty Macfly said:
I'm sorry, but this is nothing but another wasteful thread spouting nonsense based on no solid information.

It's true that Apple doesn't care as much about computers as they once did, but you have no information as to the release date, so it would be prudent for you to wait, just as everyone else is.
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What do you and others who post similar sentiments care? Who appointed you the thread police? Let people vent. What's it to you (collectively)? I don't get it. :rolleyes:
 
Techhie said:
The main focus of Apple was NEVER pro users, they have always been a niche market. True that the recent focus has shifted even more to the "i" market, but It seems like you are not being devastated by the effects of this partial neglect.
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Sorry, but I have to include my two cents. I couldn't help but note that this poster arguing with the thread originator already admitted he is 17 and "far from a professional" himself.

You are quite wrong. I've been working in environments with Macs in print/multimedia since you've been alive. Mac was the DEFAULT choice of pro users in the creative world in the 90s and until fairly recently, and they knew it, and everyone knew it.

Since Jobs made his "truck" analogy last week, I think it's reasonable to assume that Apple isn't making "mac" the priority that "i" will be. On that we all agree.

I am similarly disappointed in what has happened to the MP line. We were all hoping we'd get more robust Macs with the Intel move. At my company, we purchased a MP for video rendering purposes last year. It cost twice as much as an equivalent PC would have, but we did it because we're on the Mac platform already and have invested in Final Cut. Results have not really been mind-blowing, either.

If someone were telling me that they are thinking of starting up a business -- or were even just enthusiasts/educators/dreamers -- involving video production, my professional advice would not be to throw in your lot with the Macintosh platform at this time. It used to always be "have faith, Apple will make better products and you'll come out ahead in the long run," but now I don't think so.

As a personal, stand-alone anecdote, I built a W7 computer with a core i7 with an SSD boot, and it cost more than a $1,000 less than an equivalent MP (not that a single Xeon is equivalent to a single i7-860, anyway) and I see no reasons why I would make any of the extra investment back if I had purchased a MP.

Come on into the Windows7 rendering pool. The water's fine.
 
xgman said:
Apple could quiet us down real quick if they would just give some basic info on what the plan here is. It getting quite maddening.
And as for all you people complaining about us complaining, the old saying . . . the squeaky wheel gets the grease hopefully still applies. Although with Apple, the wheel needs to squeak loudly and continuously to be heard. ;)
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Squeaky wheels may get the grease but the complaints here are just a rattling door panel and get ignored. The "No fair" complaint is truly irrational and will not spark any sympathy from anyone (except other irrational thinkers). The new machine will come out, just be patient. If you can't wait, get a computer. Life is so short, why waste calories on something so trivial?
 
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