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I don't understand why Professionals are SELLING their bread makers because of rumors.

Then spend MONTHS of time with no workhorse machine waiting for a machine that's going to be slightly faster to purchase.

Seriously, if that is how you stay current or update your assets you need to go back to the basics of running a business and freelance operation.
 
Squeaky wheels may get the grease but the complaints here are just a rattling door panel and get ignored. The "No fair" complaint is truly irrational and will not spark any sympathy from anyone (except other irrational thinkers). The new machine will come out, just be patient. If you can't wait, get a computer. Life is so short, why waste calories on something so trivial?

People who use computers for a living might not get as much exercise as they should. If this is one way to burn calories, why not? :p
 
Oh brother. Seriously, just build a Hackintosh. You could build yourself a nice machine with twice the specs of the non-existent Mac Pro you are coveting for half of the price.
 
Apple could quiet us down real quick if they would just give some basic info on what the plan here is. It getting quite maddening.
And as for all you people complaining about us complaining, the old saying . . . the squeaky wheel gets the grease hopefully still applies. Although with Apple, the wheel needs to squeak loudly and continuously to be heard. ;)

by whining on a message board?

have you all made your complaints directly to apple?
 
2009 Mac Pro's are not as reliable as 2008 Mac Pro's, hence the need for a "quick" update; i decided to skip the 2009's, that's why i'm waiting for the 2010. If YOU like PC's, go buy one.

Don't come to a Mac forum and tell people "buy a PC". I've been using Macs for over 15 years now, i think i don't need your unsolicited advise, thanks, i know what i want, i want a new Mac Pro, a way better one than the 2009 Nahalem. And i want it ASAP. I think we all deserve it.

i'm curious...what is the difference in reliability? (i really don't know)
 
I also understand from rumors on here that they filmed one last PC/Mac commercial which includes an iPhone spoof, right? That also makes me concerned that they are "passing the buck" over to the iPhone as some people have mentioned. While I don't think they'll completely abandon the Mac Pro, I do think the updates will become less frequent. The chips are built to last awhile now and with that many cores you should be able to get some mileage out of them. I would be using mine for music production. I am currently running a Quad CPU Dell I built a couple of years ago and while it's serving it's purpose, the Mac Pro would do me much better.
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what does that have to do with anything? correct me if i'm wrong but i don't remember any mac pros in those commercials
 
you seriously get faster render times from an imac?

Perhaps I didn't word my thoughts right.

If someone is looking to upgrade, right now the quad-core iMac is looking like a pretty good deal, and it is stealing a lot of potential Mac Pro buyers.

What I meant by "decrease productivity" is that, rather than waiting around hoping for a new Mac Pro that is worth the price it's at, people are giving in and buying alternatives so that they can get some work done.
 
Perhaps I didn't word my thoughts right.

If someone is looking to upgrade, right now the quad-core iMac is looking like a pretty good deal, and it is stealing a lot of potential Mac Pro buyers.

I had an iMac 27" which was great for music. Logic ran like a dream with a ton of Omnispheres etc loaded in.

Sadly it died after just 2 weeks. I was just within the 15 days so returned.

Didn't get a replacement as I just do not trust those machines. I don't want to have to be taking it in for repair 6 months down the line.

If it was a £500 machine I would understand but £3000 is a lot of money!

This is why I am waiting for a suitibly powerful Mac Pro.
 
WE NEED TO KNOW IF THE NEW MAC PRO IS COMING OUT OR NOT, AND IF SO, WHEN WILL IT BE RELEASED, because business people just can't just sit and wait.

This quote reminds me of Romy and Michelle's high school reunion, the part where they get all dressed up and go to the diner and demand the "Businesswoman Special" because they are important business women. Waitress: Uhh, what kind of business are you in? No answer.
 
Oh, I agree with you 100% fearoftigers.

I am in desperate need of a new computer, but there's no way I'm getting a 27" iMac, for a multitude of reasons that I've already weighed, your argument included.

Still, the quad iMac is enough for what some consumers are looking for, and at a cheaper price, it's stealing away from Mac Pro business. The apple store manager, after having told him that I'm adamant in buying a Mac Pro, admitted to me that people have been coming in to get Mac Pros, but leaving with quad-core iMacs simply because they cannot afford to wait any longer for a mac pro that's worth the money they're charging.
 
mp tech refresh time table

someone remarked that the average refresh metric used on mac rumors was distorted...unsure which post, i think we have half a dozen mp / apple sucks threads going around...any way, if we look at the last 5 years, we get

6/8/2010 -464 (and counting)
Mar-09 -425
Jan-08 -275
Apr-07 -243
Aug-06 -304
Oct-05 -183
Apr-05 -304

Thats an average of 314 days if it gets refreshed today or an average of 289 days for the 6 refreshes that actualy have occured (or 314 for the last 3).

By any measure, this seems to be longer than normal. I can sympathesize with individuals or small businesses that are trying to have some predicability in managing their life cylce. If apple had material mid life cycle changes (lowering of componenet prices, new hardware) during these few hundred days between new products, it would be much more bearable...

but those issues have been beaten to death. No one on this forum should be surprised, this is how apple does business, it works for them, and yes they will probably lose some clients...but MP's are simply not their priority now...they go where the money is....
 
You have to remember that the people to whom the Mac Pro is marketed don't want their machines to be outdated right after they purchase them. Updating hardware every six months is contrary to their plans and would be worse PR.


my opinion is that by Apple not giving any official statement on the MP release they are losing allot credibility...how serious do you want us to take Apple when they are still charging over 3000$ for a machine that should be priced atleast 1000$ less...how serious should we take a company that claims to give us "PRO" machines targeted at the PRO users when the hardware in these machines is nowhere near what a Pro desktop should be...i mean seriously, there's a 60$ graphic card in there :confused:.

how serious should we take a company that doesn't give any feedback what-so-ever on the update of a machine that is targeted at professionals..people who invest loads of money on software...etc

lets face it, Apple is great for toys...when it comes to serious computing run from it.
 
I don't understand why Professionals are SELLING their bread makers because of rumors.

Then spend MONTHS of time with no workhorse machine waiting for a machine that's going to be slightly faster to purchase.

Seriously, if that is how you stay current or update your assets you need to go back to the basics of running a business and freelance operation.

These are NOT Pros who are posting about selling their HW. Mostly posers and trolls. All we're doing is feeding their little egos.
 
bad move on the OPs part. i do feel bad if it really did affect your business, but the bottom line is you really shouldn't have sold it because nothing is a sure thing when it comes to apple. its not apples fault that you're losing money. they may never release new mac pros. thats just their plan. it may be a bad plan and may mean that people will lose money and, like you, get angry or whatever but they're not doing anything wrong. i dont get the point of you pointing a finger at apple because they did not give any indication that they would release a new mac pro.

and just so you know, i'm not a fanboy. i use both a macbook air, and a pc. not biased at all. i get what fits my needs.
 
Since why did apple say that there is no apple mac pro coming up? they might just don't want to say everything. And there are still 3 days left on WWDC
 
by whining on a message board?

have you all made your complaints directly to apple?

Yes I have made my comments to Apple and even emailed Steve Jobs. I find that if you take bugs and problems as an issue, it seems to be only when enough people complain and the news sites take notice of the problem and the story spreads around a bit, that Apple takes notice and does something about it. Maybe that would work here as well, but I really don't expect it to. Apple has other priorities and that is a business decision. I just wish they would be more forthcoming. In any case I don't see the problem with people venting on this forum. Those that find it to be "whining" need not open the thread, right?

There seems to be a large number of people who post in threads just to argue. I'll never understand why some posters feel the need to insult others in threads where they really have nothing useful to contribute. Personally, I find it somewhat therapeutic to post here.
 
Patience, Grasshopper.

We know that store.apple.com will be updated on June 15 to allow pre-orders of the iPhone 4. It would also be an opportune time for a silent upgrade to the Mac Pro.
 
These are NOT Pros who are posting about selling their HW. Mostly posers and trolls. All we're doing is feeding their little egos.

By the way, why does anyone care who the people are who buys a Mac Pro? Are only professionals allowed to buy mac pro's? Quite frankly I personally don't care who or why anyone would buy one, how much money they spend, and don't really want to know. I am not bothered by anyone's individual reason to want the newer model, just because, or "whine" about it here or whatever. Again, why should anyone care? Let people be. yes, there are some trolls who do nothing more than continuously argue, but there are also apparently a good deal of posters that somehow are threatened by certain reasons people want to buy Mac Pros it would seem. It's like TV or radio, if you don't like whats on, simply change the channel, or thread in this case. Very odd.
 
A compromise?

Well, life isn't fair. But the value of a Mac Pro right now isn't 'fair.'

If Apple are not going to update the Mac Pro and they won't decrease the price, then what about a compromise? Apple can charge the same $2499 for the base Mac Pro but make the base processor the 2.93 GHz, up the base RAM to 8 GB, and make the base HDD 1 TB.

That would be more fair and even makes some sense. I would say there is a 0.1% chance this will happen though.
 
By the way, why does anyone care who the people are who buys a Mac Pro? Are only professionals allowed to buy mac pro's? Quite frankly I personally don't care who or why anyone would buy one, how much money they spend, and don't really want to know. I am not bothered by anyone's individual reason to want the newer model, just because, or "whine" about it here or whatever. Again, why should anyone care? Let people be. yes, there are some trolls who do nothing more than continuously argue, but there are also apparently a good deal of posters that somehow are threatened by certain reasons people want to buy Mac Pros it would seem. It's like TV or radio, if you don't like whats on, simply change the channel, or thread in this case. Very odd.

i think his point was that some of the people who aren't pros shouldn't be complaining. the current mac pro is the best in the apple line up and because there are no indications for an update, why complain? especially when you are not a pro who doesn't need the power.

i guess real pros can complain that there are not new mac pros, but why blame apple? if they dont release a new mac pro then they dont. it shouldn't be a problem for most people because there are other alternatives if needed. if apple doesn't have what you want, go elsewhere. why wait for something that may never be released?
 
Well, life isn't fair. But the value of a Mac Pro right now isn't 'fair.'

If Apple are not going to update the Mac Pro and they won't decrease the price, then what about a compromise? Apple can charge the same $2499 for the base Mac Pro but make the base processor the 2.93 GHz, up the base RAM to 8 GB, and make the base HDD 1 TB.

That would be more fair and even makes some sense. I would say there is a 0.1% chance this will happen though.

Make that 0.0%
 
I guess this is what I get for revealing my age on forums. :rolleyes: From now on, I am as ageless as time....or the ever enigmatic nanofrog :p
:p

It's a kind of forced-nostalgia to 2006, when Steve excitedly claimed screamed "zomg 3.0 GHZ guyz!" ;):D:p
The MP's (content creation) was their business model at the time. Then the devices started, and Apple shifted their model (i.e. follow the money).

To make a computer you have to rely on technology being created by other companies. Those companies have to research, develop, and produce the technology so that the computer companies can utilize it.
In the case of the MP and XServes, it's on Intel's schedule. The issue at this point though, is the parts are available (nor does it require a complete re-design to make them work either; very little work comparitively speaking in terms of validation).

If Apple can not get the processors they need due to a shortage (which is happening now) then they can't release the product. So, people in the "pro" industry need to be aware of that and adjust accordingly.
It depends on how they buy them. There's no shortage for Direct Sales. The article/s on Gulftown shortages was for the Distributor Channels (companies that're buying too few parts to buy directly from Intel). Apple buys directly, so it wasn't applicable.

2009 Mac Pro's are not as reliable as 2008 Mac Pro's, hence the need for a "quick" update; i decided to skip the 2009's, that's why i'm waiting for the 2010. If YOU like PC's, go buy one.
Keep in mind however, the 2010 systems won't be that different (same boards with new CPU's). Intel designs thier cycles that way as a means of reducing development costs.

So the problems that exist in the '09's will follow in the 2010 systems, unless Apple addresses them directly (i.e. fix any QC issues or bugs that may yet exist). New ones *could* actually occur as well.

Except for minor bumps there isn't anything on the CPU side until Q3 2011.
Exactly. The Gulftowns are meant as a drop-in replacement in terms of hardware (though the firmware will need adaptation to allow them to work).

But it's not a new PCB design, socket, accompanying chipset, ... as it was going from Harpertown to Nehalem.

I forget when Gulftown came out...
March 16, 2010.

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Where did you find these?
And where is the Mini?

Or did you make them as an illustrative means?

I ask, as I've never been able to find a detailed product breakdown for the desktop systems.

you seriously get faster render times from an imac?
Assuming that there's no issues with bottlenecks (RAM or disk throughput), it's possible, as the iMac is the same core architecture* @ 2.8GHz, vs. 2.66GHz in a base '09 Quad (*meaning the exclusion of interconnects and the differences in channel count in the memory controller).

It's not a drastic increase in the clock, but it would be faster.

Well, life isn't fair. But the value of a Mac Pro right now isn't 'fair.'
I wouldn't use the word "fair" at all, but for most, the sentiment that the value has vanished would ring home. But it's dependent on your POV.

If there's a contract in hand for example, the current system would allow a user to complete it on time, and earn a profit. So buying in such a case makes financial sense.

For independents, enthusiasts, students,... that are on limited budgets, can't upgrade on fixed MTBR cycles,..., however, it's a far less attractive proposition right now.

POV due to the specific situation, truly does make all the difference. ;)
 
Buy a mac pro if you need, if you need not, look elsewhere.
Plus professional hardware "usually" gets replaced in 3 years life cycles, using the gainstown xeon x5570 mac pro, 12 gb ram, hd4870, bought right on release. So hello sandy bridge based mac pro.
Although I think theres no need to urge in using westmere at this point, apple should have updated prices and released a graphics card upgrade.

If you still want to rant more about the subject, mail steve.
I did about the graphics card.

PS: According to hardmac, the macmini is currently unavailable on the retail market and the xcode 4 rumor also happened to be true. So who knows? Mac pro revision tomorrow, maybe next week, or next year.
 
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