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No More IE for Mac

I'm sorry but this is no issue especially for someoen at a web developement company as you should be testing in VPC or on a pc as well not just IE for mac. IE for mac is more picky then IE for windows no doubt, but between Safari and IE in VPC and IE 5.2, I really don't see a problem for anyone for a few years. By then, Safari will rock.
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Very true!

No more IE for OSX is a good move for me - it means I now have a legitamate reason for not testing my sites on IE OSX (But will keep testing on OS9).

The problems start if VPC development didn't continue ....
 
not good for corporate users.

The problem here is that any extranet that is running on a MS IIS webserver- and using NT authentication- won't be able to be accessed by macs.

I know someone here will say, "who cares."

Maybe you don't- but there's enough individual mac users working in huge all PC corporate enviroments that will care.

PC and Mac IEs are the only ones that can authenticate with a MS IIS. No other bowser can do it.

It's a setback for macs in the corporate world.
 
Windows opening for Apple?

So, I wonder if anyone in Cupertino is considering the fact that once MS no longer makes a standalone browser, that there will be an opening for any company who might be developing browsers to come along and fill. Apple is already developing iTunes for Windows and iTunes uses a web-like interface. I wonder how much extra work it would be to create a Windows version of Safari. Imagine the irony of Apple suddenly challenging MS on their own platform. It would be fun to watch, especially given that Safari already has features that MS shows no inclination to include (tabs, pop-up blocking, etc.)
 
For the most part, good riddance...however, there are still a few features missing from safari that I hope will be found in the final release.
 
OR IS THERE ANOTHER REASON??

My first response was: Hooray, no more IE, but wait a minute, no further windows development either?! Perhaps that can mean that MS is developing an IE follow up with a diiferent name, which might also be available for OSX....

After all , there can't be good without bad, IE without Safari,Mac without windows, 970's without pentiums (who else are we going to make fun off?...anyone?)

But before we ditch it completely,
Let's get Safari sorted out first, at the moment I resort to IE occasionally for certain online forms to fill in (try book a flight ticket with KLM UK using Safari at the moment, but I hope the final release will be okay for this kind of use...)
 
Originally posted by arn
regardless of your like or dislike of IE, this is not a good thing overall.

It just makes the Mac a little more incompatible with PC's.

arn
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I agree. But maybe they are going to spread into another App by a different name? Because what have they said about Office 11 for Mac? The one that has Exchange support in Entourage? After posting that news and not delivering it will only prove the MS vs Apple thing will be full force again...
 
How do I convert my IE Archives in WAFF to something else!?

I have been using IE for some time now to save archives of WebPages. Why? because I like to have a saved file from a developer or version tracker setting right nest to the stuffit file of the application it refers to. Its a wonderful way to keep track of the latest information without having to be online.

Another up side to IE archive is that it creates a single file (no dependant .jpg or html files) with absolute links. This is different in Safari which creates Relative links. What a drag this is when in Safari you want to click and follow a link in the archive to a pertinent site but Safari can't follow the link because it looks for the relative file it that was originally linked to. On the other hand, IE warns you that it will need to go online to follow the link. If you accept, then IE will easily interpolate the relative link and guide you to the expected destination.

Ok now that you know the issue involved, I want to know if there is an app that will convert my IE archives (in IE's WAFF format) to something that is a more long term solution, Safari would be my preference.
 
Re: bye bye

Originally posted by Windowlicker
The less MS software I have on my computer the better.
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Since the Classic environment also includes IE and Outlook, deleting the bundled Microsoft software recovered 60 MB of disk space, not including the Microsoft Office trialware. Don't forget to check your Classic installation for unwanted Microsoft software.
 
law suit?

isn't this monopolistic?

oh and I never ever could log into hotmail or any other site that you has secure connection not even .mac!! i dont know what could be wrong it... it worked on my brother's powermac!

thank you
MaT
 
Non Microsoft System Wanted

My next Mac is going to be 100% Microsoft free. Apple should offer a non-Microsoft model as an option.
 
Web Standards

Aren't there supposed to be web standards
that everyone is supposed to follow?

I would think whomever implements it the best
would be the most successful. But how many people code
websites to deal with IE's idiosycracies.

I use IE now and it's crap. I look forward to when my agency
switches over to OS X and I can use safari.
 
this might sound crazy but it aint no lie IE's bye bye bye



...i never though Nsync would be good for anything
 
Good. IE is/was terrible.

BTW- I have never been too hot about the name "Safari". As an anthropologist, one would think I would appriciate the name, but I don't. I think Apple could have done better (don't bother asking for suggestions on alternate names, because I have no idea what it should be called).

Holla.
 
not entirely good

Look. I never use IE and never planned on doing so. I use Safari and (when it isn't compatible) Mozilla. HOWEVER, when I switched a couple years ago, fact that IE was down there on the dock was of great reassurance.

Now I know, and someone who switches today will soon learn, that most MS apps can be replaced with better alternatives. But for the great undecided "walk-ins" out there, that little IE icon is a good thing for Apple.
 
Re: not entirely good

Originally posted by Foxer
Look. I never use IE and never planned on doing so. I use Safari and (when it isn't compatible) Mozilla. HOWEVER, when I switched a couple years ago, fact that IE was down there on the dock was of great reassurance.

Now I know, and someone who switches today will soon learn, that most MS apps can be replaced with better alternatives. But for the great undecided "walk-ins" out there, that little IE icon is a good thing for Apple.
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While that may be true on some levels, take Keynote. It was probably released a year to soon. There are many lacking features. For example, I want to time-delay builds, not require clicks. Can't do that. Which is horrible for exporting to QuickTime where everything has to be set to a certain time delay.
 
The golden dawn of the Apple age is upon us.

The evil foe has been bested on the battlefields of browsers.

Today the browser! Tomorrow the operating system!!
 
This is slightly off the subject, but I think that MS will discontinue Windows Media for Mac next.

Sure, you can say that it is not worth watching/listening if something is broadcasted in Windows Media - actually I hate it too and I am continually amazed how bad it really is - but remember that the only streaming media carrying the recent introduction of the new iPod and the iTMS was Windows Media by MSNBC! There are some contents you've got to see even in Windows Media.

The Windows Media 9 contents are not available for Mac now and never will be, IE for Mac being officially axed, and MS now owns Virtual PC - I am beginning to think that MacOSRumors' (gasp!) contention, that MS is trying to stop all the Mac developments and force Mac users to Dark Side, is correct. Whether they will be successful, I doubt it.
 
Good! The less M$ we have on our systems the better. One day we will be able to run our x86 boxes without M$, and I look forward to it! I hope they stop making their computer polluting software for everyone.
 
Re: Re: Missing the point

Originally posted by dguisinger
You do realize that about 40-50% of new software is being written in .NET, and that embracing the technology would provide more options for Mac users (for client side apps), not less.
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I agreed with everything else you said, but this part made me raise an eyebrow. Now, I'm a server side developer who's been working on J2EE and Unix C/C++ for several years, so maybe I'm out of touch with desktop software, but are you sure about that number?

When you say .NET (of which I'll admit, I have 0 experience with) do you mean Windows app's written using .NET studio? In which case I'd say that .NET is just the next gen of Microsoft's Windows API's like when they migrated to MFC back in the 90's.

I'd be interested in reading any supporting data you have on this 40-50% claim.
 
while this may not be great for compatibility issues, we're not the only one's getting dumped.

if there's no longer going to be a stand alone ie, then ie will soon no longer have a commanding majority (in it's most current form). think about it for a minute- most of the people that i know aren't using xp (most hate it, actually) (and those are windose people), and most of them aren't even using ie 6. i also know that most of the *older* people I know that are doing online banking (read: have more money invested) are not using the latest microsoft os or IE.

so really, while this may not be great for compatibility, we're not dead - microsoft is hurting themselves with this - more people (realizing that not eveyone will be running the latest and greatest) will make sure code works for everyone.

matt
 
Originally posted by zuggerat
this might sound crazy but it aint no lie IE's bye bye bye



...i never though Nsync would be good for anything
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HEY. *NSYNC rocks! Don't be dissin' the dudes. They have talent.
 
I hope that in the long run this is good news. I think this will keep lazy web designers from testing only/mostly with IE and make them consider that other browsers are out there, ie. Safari. I wish all the other browsers success, I'm an avid iCab user myself. Nonetheless, I think Apple's Safari has the best chance of being noticed and used for testing web sites. The only problem is that Apple's market share, and thus Safari's market share, is still very low. Thats the dangerous part. Hopefully, when Safari hits 1.0, then banks and other institutions will begin to accept this new browser.
 
remember netscape!!!

I use OS9.1, and I seem to be the only one in the world that still uses Netscape! I actually think Netscape 7 is the best browser I've ever used, and that includes IE. (Yes I have tried most other browsers including safari on newer macs than my own) However, some financial websites don't work at all with Netscape, and so I have to still use IE, so if IE is not going to be here anymore, a lack of compatibility with financial sites is going to be a problem.

And just a note to everyone... Netscape 7 is good! If you had bad experiences with Netscape 6, don't worry, its all been fixed in 7! I wouldn''t be without it, and prefer it to anything else!
 
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