No More iPhoto or iMovie Downloads

[Some_Big_Spoon]

Limewire, Poisen, ICQ.. Black Market.. Apple's pushing us into the world of M$.. having to hunt and peck for vital software..

Originally posted by Sedulous
Ok. So what happens if I take my Panther discs and clean reinstall... can I still update the iApps? I don't see any place I can get updates.

 

[mullmann]

Re: Re: Re: Expect to pay for Safari and iTunes next.

Originally posted by jocknerd
Yes, iPod. The iTMS is the only store you can download music from and play on your iPod.

Don't be surprised if Apple starts charging for newer versions of iTunes in order to pay for the store.

Actually, I will be extremely surprised. The iPod is paying for the store and for iTunes. That's what they are they for -- to get you to buy an iPod. They don't charge you to get into the theater AND to see the movie! 😀

 

[autrefois]

Originally posted by Sedulous
Ok. So what happens if I take my Panther discs and clean reinstall... can I still update the iApps? I don't see any place I can get updates.

iTunes still available. They need to update their site though for the others. If you go to:

http://www.apple.com/software/

it only links to the new versions which ask you to buy.

If you do a search you can find them though--click on the Mac OS X tab, then click "downloads" and do a search for iMovie for example. This just worked for me now. I'm guessing this will probably be gone soon.

(EDIT I just went back to iMovie and it doesn't work (just the update is available now), but iPhoto 2.0 appear to be available still. These are for the OLD versions of course, I didn't mean the new ones.)

Aren't iMovie, iPhoto, iTunes included already with Panther?

If you want iDVD though you would have to pay, assuming you don't have it already on a CD/DVD.

 

[SWC]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: iLife for Windows?

Originally posted by Some_Big_Spoon
So can I return my $129 copy of panther, get a refund, then buy the "new version" of panther with the appropriate iapps?

I never said my example was the case either but everyone assumes the negative. Apple will not allow downloads of the new software, I am sure of this. but everyone is on apples ass because tey dont get free upgrades. You just have to look at both sides of the fence. Like I said earlier, if you buy a 2k3 car and the 2k4 comes out 3 months later or even the next day they dont replace your car. you get whats current offered when you purchase.

 

[Photorun]

as many have said here I too sorta saw this coming, or rather, was waiting. The fact Apple gave away their iLife apps for free except iDVD unless you paid $50 was a fun ride while it lasted, alas Apple has to make a buck somehow. Admittedly this is vaguely Microsoftesqe except in this case the software isn't s****y, or like a crack dealer, the first hit or two is always free. I'm buying iLife for Garageband but honest, except iTunes, the rest of the appls I don't use and care less about.

 

[Some_Big_Spoon]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Expect to pay for Safari and iTunes next.

and buying the $3500 powerbook pays for the software.. an underpowered laptop without the software is no longer a smart, or logical buy.

People are buying for the software largely.. take that away and you just might piss someone off..

Originally posted by mullmann
Actually, I will be extremely surprised. The iPod is paying for the store and for iTunes. That's what they are they for -- to get you to buy an iPod. They don't charge you to get into the theater AND to see the movie! 😀

 

[snofseth]

To me it seems time to start a protest thing or whatever it is people have done in the past sure they are a great deal a $49, but it is part of the price of the mac we bought and especially the "power" products and panther they are pretty skimpy featured. No standard office especially for something that costs possible $3000 and they also do not offer an 100-129 office "upgrade" that most ibm and dell offer when costomizing. This convention has seemed very bad. I have bought three macs this year and a few Ipods and some other stuff from apple and panther family pack. I dont want to buy software that was free. I understand paying for garage band and I am fine with that, but Iphoto should be free. This is also away to again put an added cost to macs. The question now is when will they charge for another upgrade. I think the people to thank for making these iapps not free is everyone who bought the last iapps. These people showed apple that someone will buy it. If practically no one would of bought it they probly would not have cahrged

 

[avus]

(Extreme Sarcasm)

I am now beginning to think that Apple is Socialist party in disguise, as its user base actually believe that it ought be a non-profitable organization and "party members" are entitled to free upgrades and eternal supports for the rest of their lives. Computing Welfare, anyone?

(/Extreme Sarcasm)

 

[avus]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Expect to pay for Safari and iTunes next.

Originally posted by Some_Big_Spoon
and buying the $3500 powerbook pays for the software.. an underpowered laptop without the software is no longer a smart, or logical buy.

People are buying for the software largely.. take that away and you just might piss someone off..

You may be right, but Apple doesn't sell $3500 Powerbook right now...

 

[SWC]

Originally posted by snofseth
To me it seems time to start a protest thing or whatever it is people have done in the past sure they are a great deal a $49, but it is part of the price of the mac we bought and especially the "power" products and panther they are pretty skimpy featured. No standard office especially for something that costs possible $3000 and they also do not offer an 100-129 office "upgrade" that most ibm and dell offer when costomizing. This convention has seemed very bad. I have bought three macs this year and a few Ipods and some other stuff from apple and panther family pack. I dont want to buy software that was free. I understand paying for garage band and I am fine with that, but Iphoto should be free. This is also away to again put an added cost to macs. The question now is when will they charge for another upgrade. I think the people to thank for making these iapps not free is everyone who bought the last iapps. These people showed apple that someone will buy it. If practically no one would of bought it they probly would not have cahrged

What is so hard to understand about all new macs comin g with iLife? You got a free version with your mac, people buying all new macs get a free version. You just don't get free updates. This isn't a hard concept. Just like you pay for os upgrades you pay for iLife upgrades

 

[Some_Big_Spoon]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Expect to pay for Safari and iTunes next.

17" Powerbook with 1 Gig of RAM = $3400.. and it goes up from there..

that's damn expensive..

Originally posted by avus
You may be right, but Apple doesn't sell $3500 Powerbook right now...

 

[rspress]

That is the problem with offering free programs....when you ask someone to pay for a new version somewhere down the line they will piss and moan at a deafening volume....

Get over it people....it is well worth the 49 bucks!

If you can't afford the 49 bucks you should probably not have a computer in the first place. If you don't like what Apple did, go buy a windows machine. They are known for their free, quality software.

My order for iLife 04 and the USB Midi keyboard will be sent off this weekend.

 

[SWC]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Expect to pay for Safari and iTunes next.

Originally posted by Some_Big_Spoon
17" Powerbook with 1 Gig of RAM = $3400.. and it goes up from there..

that's damn expensive..

yeah with upgrades. but no stock computer at $3500.

 

[Some_Big_Spoon]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Expect to pay for Safari and iTunes next.

did you really just say that? Honestly?

No one ever upgrades their computer with RAM from Apple? Adds an airport card with their 12" powerbook?

Sad. 🙄

Originally posted by SWC
yeah with upgrades. but no stock computer at $3500.

 

[~Shard~]

To be realistic, the free updates had to end at some point. And plus, $49 is a very reasonable price for such quality apps - that works out to $10 per app, which I think is a very reasonable price.

Some people are just never happy and don't want to pay anything for anything. Other people realize value in products, and don't mind paying a fair price for quality products. I think people who are going to pop on the warez sites and download the iLife updates are quite pathetic - cheapskates, essentially. And to them, I ask the question, "at what price would you pay for these types of apps? $30? $10? $.07?" Some people have no sense of worth and quality when it comes to things like this.

I think the new iLife is great, and I'll definitely be buying myself a copy, especially for GarageBand. 😎

 

[AgtAlpha]

Whine whine whine

Everyone seems to be whining, without any reason. The cost of OS X ($129) was never said to have included iLife. Sure, versions of iPhoto, iTunes, and iMovie were included, but iDVD was *never* included with the OS. New Macs that were advertised as coming with iLife came with the latest version at the time, but it was never mentioned that iLife was shipped as part of the OS. It was just an assumption you made for the free applications that Apple released.

For those of you complaining about the $49 cost for iLife because you only want the iPhoto upgrade: Do you not feel the upgrade is worth $49? Is iPhoto not an application worth $49? If you don't feel it is, then don't use it. Jobs mentioned in the Keynote that the product that closest resembles iPhoto is Adobe Photoshop Album (although Windows only), and that retails for $49. If you don't like the changes, then don't purchase the products. But, no one is making you pay for the upgrade, because you don't have to upgrade if you don't want to.

 

[Nicky G]

Originally posted by Torajima

But before I quit, let me say this: Why is it okay that software is purchased "as is"?

Who says it's OK? But it's how things work, and you agree to it every time you click "I agree."

If you have such a big problem with it, write your representative and senators! Or is that such a foreign concept? Complaining about it on a discussion forum for Mac-zealots will not make the problem go away. Sending tons of letters to your political representatives may, eventually, lead to something getting done (but not likely).

 

[Some_Big_Spoon]

Re: Whine whine whine

http://www.apple.com/macosx/newfeatures/

lists iLife apps as OS Features...

Guess they mean the OLD versions are features.. 🙄

Originally posted by AgtAlpha
Everyone seems to be whining, without any reason. The cost of OS X ($129) was never said to have included iLife. Sure, versions of iPhoto, iTunes, and iMovie were included, but iDVD was *never* included with the OS. New Macs that were advertised as coming with iLife came with the latest version at the time, but it was never mentioned that iLife was shipped as part of the OS. It was just an assumption you made for the free applications that Apple released.

For those of you complaining about the $49 cost for iLife because you only want the iPhoto upgrade: Do you not feel the upgrade is worth $49? Is iPhoto not an application worth $49? If you don't feel it is, then don't use it. Jobs mentioned in the Keynote that the product that closest resembles iPhoto is Adobe Photoshop Album (although Windows only), and that retails for $49. If you don't like the changes, then don't purchase the products. But, no one is making you pay for the upgrade, because you don't have to upgrade if you don't want to.

 

[rdowns]

Originally posted by jouster
Fair points, rdowns, but bear in mind that there are more than a few of us who are not complaining about the fact of paying, but rather about the manner in which it has been implemented in this case. Don't you feel that the recent spate of charges reflect a much different Apple from, say, two years ago?

Yes but Apple is a different company than 2 years ago.

They introduced a completely modern OS and decided that annual upgrades was their strategy. While I'd love an OS subscription program, $129 isn't all that bad. Hell, most of us spend that on coffee in a month or two.

We also don't know if iPhoto and iMovie will still be available for download. Apple did introduce iLife last year at $49 but still had free downloads.

That being said, I've posted here quite a few times that I think Jobs has his head up his ass with regard to marketing. Then again, I don't know what their software development costs are nor do I fully understand why G5s are still not in the iMac or why they are so concerned about same chips being available across different product lines. Maybe their research says they're right or maybe they're greedy. Either way, being a Mac owner is achoice I made 17 years ago; a fully informed choice as I was a reseller in those days.

Maybe turning 40 really does change ones outlook on life. A few years back, I'd be with the majority in here bitching and moaning about Apple's upgrade policies.I run a division of a company; maybe I appreciate real business costs more than others who don't have the same experiences.

OK, I think I've rambled enough here.

 

[Mr. Anderson]

This has become a circular argument, going back and forth between two camps - The Annoyed - and - The Berators -

The thread has been given numerous complaints - name calling, profanity, etc., so we're finished here.

Sure there are issues with the whole thing, but everyone needs to move on.

If the thread makes a reappearance, remain civil or things will get ugly.

D