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The TiBooks

- seem to be dragging behind the rest of the line. We need to see a speed bump here before July. As soon as it comes, I'm buying the top model.

I guess I'll be spending a lot of time on my new iMac (whenever it gets here).
 
Apple has a policy of not discussing in-pipeline products precisely to prevent anyone from "waiting" for anything. Buy now is the mantra of any manufacturer.

It's your loss when another product comes out right after you bought the last one a short time before the new one came out. But wait. It's not a loss at all. Its a huge gain now vs a huger gain later. So I guess it's worth it to BUY NOW, after all.

:D

Rocketman

:D
 
Re: G5

Originally posted by saffron!!
I'm waiting for the G5 because I will be using my system for Final Cut Pro 3 and Combustion. I know that faster ram and processing will mean more real time effects without a hardware add in card. When I ordered my SGI workstation in Jan. of 2000 it took until May 2000 to get it delivered. 3 months later SGI came out with faster processors. I don't want to make the same mistake again. The television station I work for may not be able to wait for the G5 since they need an editing solution sooner. This will be my first Mac and would like to start learning the new software but I feel the wait will be very much worth it. It depends on how quickly you need to upgrade.

If I were in your pickle I would buy the 800mhz G4 now, learn the software issues and produce real stuff on it, then when G5's come out use the G4 as a raid and part of a render farm.

Rocketman
 
I'm very happy that Apple made the announcement. I was waiting on the G5's and now I can get a dual 1 GHz G4 without worrying that I might have made a mistake in buying too early.
 
Apple wants to sell current inventory and they need folks to stop waiting from rumors they have heard regarding the release of G5 processors...from this point the G4 speeds will certainly increase later in the year...the Dual Gig G4 will go up to 1.2/1.4 perhaps even 1.6 if the yields are reliable...

The Ti will certainly get a G4 boost later in the year as well...just when who knows...

What Apple is trying to say is that the Current G4 archintechture will remain the focus for 2002 (squeezing ever once of power they can before moving on). Don't expect to see speed revisions every 2 months...6 month much more likely...
 
Apple is Still a Solid Core

I think the dual machine rocks. Furthermore, Apples only mistake up to this point is truly educating joe public that Ghz is NOT the only factor anymore. But I see so many people buying their first PeeCee and saying wow I got 1.7 gHz for $25! But when I point out that they now need good video card, good sound card, etc... they are less impressed with their deal. I'd carry on, but we all know this point...

Apple is smart to quench rumore of ANY upgrades coming in less than 6 months. as a large percentage of apple buyers are upgraders, face it we are not expanding new buyers...(although I feel iMac will help alot). So any apple user looking to upgrade a machine that is less than 3 years old, can wait two more months or three or four. I have a b/w G3 with a G4 400 zif card, and I've never waited this long to upgrade, but frankly everything I have runs great (of course the radeon helps). But I drool at new mac adds (exaggerated). Still until Photoshop X comes out and maybe even a little more mature OS X, I can't justify buying a new box, although those G4 at sub 3k are VERY tempting. If Apple was to tell me that in 2 months a 200mHz bus was gomeing or dual 1.6 gigs or whatever upgrade... I'd wait. By telling me nothing for a year... I'm now compelled to buy... once Photoshop is upgraded.

Buying a computer is like a job salary. If you make $10/hr and then get a promotion to $110/hour, at the end of the month you will still wonder where it all went and why you have bills. Regardless of your salary, you will manage to get by. Same with the computers, We will always want a faster better model, and if you wait you will get it. But there comes a point where you have to buy and at that time you get the best you can. I find it hard to believe that a apple faithful would look at the top of the line and resort to comparing it to a pentium 4 on a mHGz basis. Real mac users know that this is not even realistic. I agree USB 2.0, DDR ram, 200 mHz busses would be great. But the fact is, our high end beats their high end even without this stuff. Hands down to get all this gizmos, you have to use windows. I'd take my old 604e back before I'd do that! Furthermore these upgrades will add cost... and then we get all the toys we want and 1.21 gigawatts of computing power and we will complain about the cost... again not satisified. When an application comes along that you NEED (for me photoshop X (or v7)) and your current computer doesn't support it. Upgrade. Get the best you can afford and accept the fact that in 2 to 6 months their will be something better, but THEN realize you were able to work, play and be productive for 2 months longer then if you waited.

Anyways, now that I figured out my password, I thought I'd share my 2Cents!

Iriejedi
:rolleyes:
 
so when is the next macworld? im hoping for a TiPod or 10GB or just a price reduction before I buy one.. $399 is alot but im willing to pay it, but will shoot myself if in a month it goes down to $299 or gets double the space or an even better enclosure similar to the titanium.. heh, i juss think titanium would be a good idea for a portable device that is obviously going to get banged around a bit. anyway, what would be the soonest a revision would come? If its not going to be till july i am just going to buy...
 
NO MORE G4!

I SENSERLY hope apple will NEVER EVER release a pro tower with the G4 in it again (after the new Dual 1GHz G4). now that everyone know the G5 is REAL and and DOES exist, no one will be happy to see yet another G4 tower upgrade! the dual G4 1GHz IS SIMPLY THE FASTEST computer EVER built by apple computer! and will -NON SEXUALY- violate ANY other PC OR MAC out there! when the new towers first came out peope all over the net started talking about how this COULD be the LAST G4 tower EVER, "COULD" only because apple wouldnt confirm it, as it could harm there sales and uncle steve dosent want to blow the surprise just yet! EVERY 6 months a computer (from apple) is updated, the iMac and G4 towers where done not that long ago, the iBook iPod and Tibook have yet to be touched on recently (however the ipod is not a computer and probably wont get upgraded, maby a lower price....) when people say new hardwear they dont nessasarly mean ALL the computer just the ones that havent been touched in the last 6 months.

and the fact is the iBook and Tibook are considered old modles in the computer world, and WILL be updated in the next Macworld. the iMac and G4 towers will NOT be touched untill Macworld NY. and for all you who think thta apple will release the G5 in Macworld SF, WHAT ARE YOU ON? the now new G4 towers will be a year old by then! you honestly think apple would put a new G4 chip its towers? even after the Dual 1GHz G4? THEN a G5? That would kill apples Pro users! and there sales! even apple was shocked at how low the orders are for there new G4 towers! the iMac is still the king of the ring with orders from here to pluto! the G4 towers however powerfull THEY ARE, they still are not what the rest of the world will react to the most, a G5 released soon, would make everyone say ohhh ahhhh i want that!
its the same with the PEE CEE market when the Pentium 3 was the best of the best evey one had one, then the next day the pentium 4 came out and every one though it would be THAT much better and just had to have one to be the cool kid on the block! exactly the same as Graphics cards, the Gforce 3 was HUGE when it came out! every one had to hav one, and those that did get one are now left in the dust, the gForce 4 has come out now and is suposed to be better, so ppl want that now! all you people trying to stay at the top of the "technology race" are RETARDED! unless you can aford to pay 2000$+ EVERY 3 to 6 months just to say you have the best of the best, your waisting your time! and money! i know there are still people out there EVEN on this board who still have and use a PRE G3 computer and are happy with it becaue it does what they need it to do! and when they do upgrade, THEY will have the best of the best because they waited, and benifit more from a speed increase of a 603 to a Dual 1.8GHz G5!!!! not from 733MHz to 867 or even 933! you people will BAIRLY notice your increas in speed! youl only be able to TALK about your upgrad and save 2-2.5 seconds of your time in photoshop!

and just what am i using, what i can mock all you people who have to have the best of the best? a iMac 500MHZ G3 DV SE, thi sbad boy was top of the line when i got it, and now look at me! left in the dust! but do i care? NO! Y? because i have better things to do with my time than try to have the best of the best. But if your hobby is computing and you enjoy haveing the best of the best, thats cool to! you do your thing ill do mine!

-peace!
 
"...now that everyone know the G5 is REAL and and DOES exist, no one will be happy to see yet another G4 tower upgrade!"

Care to tell us when Motorola announced and began shipping thise new G5s?
 
Re: ti book revision on march

Originally posted by marcused
Is it possible Apple decide to improve performance of Tibook ...
...i'm thinking... maybe in Tokio?

That's what I was thinking (Tibook). Tokyo makes sense, in a region that loves their laptops, and portable devises. This seemed to be the case in the past as well for previous Apple announcements in Tokyo.

- Tim
 
monitors

what about monitors. 24 inch LCD screens? or improved technology on the 22 inch lcd's?

Slinky
 
I sort of agree Asuka but not for the same reasons.

I dont want a motorola G4 in another tower, just because it is still scaling incredibly slowly. Considering how far IBM has got with the G3, moto is being pathetic. Moto's G4 has created a dark age for apple.
 
WHAT ???????

Originally posted by Unregistered
"...now that everyone know the G5 is REAL and and DOES exist, no one will be happy to see yet another G4 tower upgrade!"

Care to tell us when Motorola announced and began shipping thise new G5s?

When did i way the G5 was shiping? OH YEA I DID'NT! some of you people need to stop making up your own crap from other peoples posts! I staited that Motorola announced the PowerPC road map awhile back! and that many tech sites have been talking about the G5, EVEN motorola!
 
DDR-SDRAM

WHat is all this hype about DDR? As I recall, DDR is expensive, and as memory prices are going back up, DDR is not a good idea.
Aren't you all always bellyaching about how much new Mac's cost?
 
DDR is cheap!

Last time I checked DDR was about the same price as PC-100 or PC-133.
It would benefit the Mac greatly to have DDR and it wouldn't drive up the price.

I would love to see price drops on the LCD displays. LCD monitors are getting cheaper and better, and I hope Apple can pass those improvements on to us. Maybe they could drop the 15" and go with 17", 19" and 22"...
 
Originally posted by StealthRider


I agree, the TiBook needs an upgrade. Apple can't have a "professional" class laptop slower than their "comsumer" class desktop, can they?


not going to happen. good desire though.
 
good business for apple

I think that by holding on to the release date of the g5 will be better for apple because most people have recently bought either the dp or new imac. I dont think we are gonna spend another 1000 bucks or so for another g5 machine. I am not that rich hehe. If they did release the g5 the sales would not be very good.
 
As this has turned into a bit of a processor analysis forum - a question for any of you processor heads out there: It seems to me that the real speed potential of both the G3 and G4 is realized by exploiting L1, L2, and L3 cache. Why is Apple holding out on us here? - or is this the next big thing - full utilization of the on chip cache? (Part of this question stems from a benchmark I saw giving the 400 mhz Pismo - higher cache G3 - the edge in some instances over the then new Ti 400 - lower cache G4.) Thanks for any input.
 
Future Processor Viability

I've (obviously) got a question...

Do people think that buying an iBook this summer, like say July, after they potentially speed-bump it at MWNY, is worthwhile, seeing as it still runs on the G3? The G3 is several years old and I'm just concerned about its future life and capabilities.
 
G3 iBOOK

well it all depends on what you need it for. If all you want is to do word processing and surf the web the iBOOK is fine for you. But if you're going to be video-editing or phot-editing then go for the low-end powerbook. For $2,300 you'll get:
550MHz PowerPC G4 @ 100MHz
256K L2 cache @ 550MHz
256MB SDRAM memory
20GB Ultra ATA drive
Combo Drive (DVD-ROM/CD-RW)
ATI Mobility Radeon w/
16MB DDR video memory
Gigabit Ethernet
56K internal modem
1 FireWire & 2 USB Ports
Airport Ready
But then on the other hand if you're broke just hold until you have the $$$$ for the power book.



Dualburn001
 
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