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i knew that their would be issues with the retina display on the mini, and the 64 bit thats why i kept my ipad mini and did not upgrade to the rmini
 
I have an iPad 4 and an iPad Air. I love the Air because of the new weight and size and except for occasional Safari crashes I have had not performance issues. However, I really can't see any difference in speed between the two at this time. I'm not a gamer so maybe this is where the difference can be noticed.

And web browsing which most people do with their air. My air loads pages instantaneously. IPad 4 feels like a fat slow grandma in comparison.
 
And web browsing which most people do with their air. My air loads pages instantaneously. IPad 4 feels like a fat slow grandma in comparison.

I got rid of my iPad Air because of it's poor internet performance.

Page loading speed seems quite indiscernible between the Air and the 4 to me (the pages just don't crash after loading when using the 4 ;)).
 
What did you really expect though. Remember 2x as fast sounds good on its own as a statement but it's 2x as fast as a split second, of course you don't notice it
 
I got rid of my iPad Air because of it's poor internet performance.

Page loading speed seems quite indiscernible between the Air and the 4 to me (the pages just don't crash after loading when using the 4 ;)).

Thats not internet performance. You are talking browser performance.
 
RMini is a quantum leap especially on 7.1

Well we ain't on 7.1 yet.

The quantum leap for now would be the price I would have to pay for the new mini versus the first gen cellular model I decided was good enough for now. Truly I do not think many folks would have turned down the cellular model with the price I got it for.
 
Well we ain't on 7.1 yet.

The quantum leap for now would be the price I would have to pay for the new mini versus the first gen cellular model I decided was good enough for now. Truly I do not think many folks would have turned down the cellular model with the price I got it for.

I see. But speak for yourself, some us are on 7.1 and bit the bullet :D

But you're right I mean the out of box experience should be buttery smooth. Then again I'd like root out of the box but I guess that's where jailbreak comes in.
 
When more apps utilise 64 bit and iOS 8 is here we will see a greater performance leap. Right now, for the average user, on iOS 7.1 there is no instantly perceivable performance gap between the iPad 4 and iPad Air.

Power users who use photo or video editing apps for example will see their work completed faster on the Air compared to the 4, but even on the top end games right now there is very, very little if anything to separate them other than slightly quicker load times. This will of course change in the next six to eight months.

Many cite Infinity Blade 3 as an example of some fancier effects on an A7 device. True until you try this:

http://m.cultofmac.com/cultofmac/#!...-devices-jailbreak,528a0bbbe56d0bb85339f26b/1
 
Perhaps a wrong choice of word, but reading it in conjunction with the post I quoted it's quite apparent I was discussing the browser.

No it was not apparent at all. The two are completely different. The browser crashing is one thing but the iPad hair has better wifi capability and on LTE iPad Air blows all the other devices away. Even the iPhone 5s is noticeably faster than the iPhone 5. Web sites running on tons of javascript load instantly.
 
Where I'm seeing the problems:

- 5 finger gesture to go back to home screen and move between apps.

Can your try this and is it smooth to you? As the gesture begins its fine but as it completes there are graphical anomalies and stuttering. Moving between apps is delayed and feels "fragile" in that you've got to do it very carefully, that's the only way to put it.

Not seeing anything like this here. The only thing that I notice is that returning to the home screen there is a slight jump at the last part of the animation. This looks more like a bug than a stutter to me, though, as it doesn't look like it has any inconsistency or like it has anything to do with load.

- On home screen swipe down to search.

This is never smooth, there is always a stutter and the keyboard always delays in being displayed. After the first attempt it seems to perform little better. It's not a long delay but it's way too long for a flagship device. You might expect this on an iPhone 4, not the Air. Do you see this behaviour?

This I do see, at least the first swipe down. Interesting.

- Calendar app is sluggish.

As soon as you go into the Calendar app, scrolling through an event details is sluggish - the smoothness that might be in other apps is not here. The keyboard again appears slowly and stutters as it appears. Swipe up Control Centre from the bottom and you'll see it appear with a stutter as if the system is grinding more than usual.

Nope. Not seeing this.

- Home screen swiping

When you hit the home button back to the home screen, after the animation finishes and settles you try to swipe to the next page and nothing happens, you really have to wait 1 to 1.5 seconds for it to be ready. This doesn't bother a new user to iOS as they will probably move around slowly at first but an experienced user finds this a drag. This you can see on iPhone and iPad.

If I try to swipe before the animation has completed, then it won't swipe. But, if I wait until the animation is done, it swipes fine. There might be a <0.5s delay in there, but nothing close to 1.5s, for me.

- App readiness

The same problem above you can somewhat see in apps. Enter an app and after it appears try to start doing something with it. It's not ready yet for another second or so. This disappoints compared to readiness of iOS 6.

I have noticed that there is a little bit of a delay when switching to an app. Sometimes it shows me the last screen on the app for a second before the app properly takes control. Netflix is a good example of this, where it will show me my selection screen for a second, exactly as it looked when I last left the app, then the screen will turn red as the app goes into active log-in mode.

- Keyboard performance

Why is the keyboards performance so poor, typing can often seem delayed - you can often hear this in the audio click feedback being behind what you are typing. Choosing the symbols or numbers results in another delay as if they're not loaded into memory already. Splitting the keyboard often results in it sitting somewhere strange on the screen and this is often a slow process for it to settle again. When you select text in an app the keyboard is quite delayed in appearing as if that part of the the system went to sleep.

I have my pet peeves with the iOS keyboard, but this isn't one of them. I see very good performance from the keyboard, in general. My one big complaint, however, is that I am forever getting irritated by the fact that if I type too fast, and end up starting to hit key 2 before I've finished letting go of key 1, iOS decides to ignore both of those key hits. For example, if I try to write "them" too fast and I end up with "em".

There are many others on top of the above. All in all I feel I have to slow myself down for the iPad Air and iOS 7 and that's a really disappointing thing to say considering its CPU and GPU performance has doubled, and it's the fastest mobile device Apple have ever released. The hopeful fact is the code is far from optimised and those who have been lucky to get 7.1 betas early have seen the improvements. It would be better all in all if the iPad Air was released working well however rather than leading to a few months of disappointment for its buyers.

Well, I'm sorry to hear that you're having such difficulties. While I agree that it would be nice to see these things ironed out, those little bugs that I'm seeing are so minor that they don't really effect my use of my device. (That typing issue is the closest one to truly bothering me.)

Of course, I didn't just go from an iPad 4 to an iPad Air, I went from an iPad 2 to an iPad Air. I really feel the improvement in performance with that upgrade!
 
there shouldnt be a huge difference and there wont be much of a noticable difference for probably 2 or 3 years--it isnt much of an upgrade and i would go from ipad 4 to the ipad 6 (or ipad air2-whatever they call the next ipad)
 
I'm using an Air and iPad 4 side-by-side (both running 7.0.3) and I'm seeing the exact same issues on both devices:

1. Stuttering on home screen when using gesture controls.
2. Wallpaper selection screen stutters/lags when scrolling through wallpaper options.
3. Still takes an oddly long time to set wallpaper.

With the x2 CPU upgrade and improved GPU benchmarks, I really expected a much smoother experience. In all honesty, I see no difference in the UI fluidity.

The weight, form, etc. are all quite good but I'm disappointed with the A7 (or maybe iOS7...not sure).

The performance is truly not the way you described it on my ipad air. For me it's much smoother and faster. I don't know what it is but for some reason people are receiving slow ipad airs. Or some with screen defects. I guess I'm one of the lucky ones because mine works great and handles anything I throw at it..:confused:
 
The performance is truly not the way you described it on my ipad air. For me it's much smoother and faster. I don't know what it is but for some reason people are receiving slow ipad airs. Or some with screen defects. I guess I'm one of the lucky ones because mine works great and handles anything I throw at it..:confused:

I had this same fear, that maybe my device was a tad underclocked, maybe even for the European market (For some insane regulatory reason) but I have the same issues as above and I installed Geekbench. My iPad shows the same benchmarked scores as everyone else so it's not clock speed. CPU and GPU are right up there with great results.

If 7.1 doesn't fix these issues I'm coming to the conclusion that the digitizor on the screen is faulty or some models ship with a poorer quality one than others and its here that the slowness is. Our every interaction with the iPad is through the screen (well 98% anyway) and if this isn't quite speedy enough then we feel the device is slow.

We'll have to wait for iOS 7.1 to prove this one way or the other.

The other end of this of course is those who don't see the laggy issues have less of a perception on them than some of us do. MAybe you came from older devices which were already quite slow and the iPad Air is marvellous in comparison. Maybe we're just TOO fussy.

Apple made us that way...
 
The other end of this of course is those who don't see the laggy issues have less of a perception on them than some of us do. MAybe you came from older devices which were already quite slow and the iPad Air is marvellous in comparison. Maybe we're just TOO fussy.

Apple made us that way...

Well I came from a jailbroken 8gb iPod touch 4th gen so maybe I simply don't realize the slowness.. But it truly doesn't seem slow at all lol
 
No it was not apparent at all. The two are completely different. The browser crashing is one thing but the iPad hair has better wifi capability and on LTE iPad Air blows all the other devices away. Even the iPhone 5s is noticeably faster than the iPhone 5. Web sites running on tons of javascript load instantly.


Nope, not seeing that at all, comparing across an Air, a 4 and an iPhone 5s. I don't see any real difference in internet or browser speed (leaving the propensity of the Air to crash with a number of websites out of the equation).

No "blowing out of the water", in fact, hardly even a slight rocking on the water...
 
The differences from one years hardware to the next isn't something that most people notice. Most people don't upgrade that quickly. The difference between iPad 4 and iPad Air was very noticeable to me under very heavy usage.
 
The Air 2 is the Air everyone should have.

I got the Air 2 a little while ago for one and one reason only, it's the iPad Air that the original should have been. In fact the original was such a disappointment for me so I'm selling it now.

The Air 2 is snappy as hell and truly has great performance for what iOS 8 needs. Jumping between apps is smooth and without lag or stuttering, Safari is quick and responsive and while webpages still tend to have to reload after a while it doesn't seem to take so long.

The most painful thing on the original iPad Air was multi finger gestures to go back to the home screen or jump to another app. You would perform the action and then watch for 1 or 2 seconds as the iPad tried to load the next screen in immense pain, this killed productivity and made the feature useless. On the Air 2 it's quick and fluid in all circumstances.

If anyone is going to buy an iPad Air, get the 2 and don't be dissappointed by the original. The extra 1 gig of RAM (that everyone has been screaming for forever) and CPU power makes a big difference here.
 
I got the Air 2 a little while ago for one and one reason only, it's the iPad Air that the original should have been. In fact the original was such a disappointment for me so I'm selling it now.

The Air 2 is snappy as hell and truly has great performance for what iOS 8 needs. Jumping between apps is smooth and without lag or stuttering, Safari is quick and responsive and while webpages still tend to have to reload after a while it doesn't seem to take so long.

The most painful thing on the original iPad Air was multi finger gestures to go back to the home screen or jump to another app. You would perform the action and then watch for 1 or 2 seconds as the iPad tried to load the next screen in immense pain, this killed productivity and made the feature useless. On the Air 2 it's quick and fluid in all circumstances.

If anyone is going to buy an iPad Air, get the 2 and don't be dissappointed by the original. The extra 1 gig of RAM (that everyone has been screaming for forever) and CPU power makes a big difference here.

The 5 finger pinch to return the home screen has zero delay on the first iPad Air running iOS 7.1.2, different story on iOS 8 right enough where there is a little UI stutter, but when using that gesture on 7.1.2 there's no delay in the response when using the gesture and between the animation beginning and the apps flying back onto the home screen.

When using the four finger swipe left/right to move between open apps, I see what you mean about the apps that have "timed out" taking a second or two to reload, but it's not as painfully slow as you make it out to be.

I'll try out 8.2 when it hits demo units in the Apple Store and see if the bugs in the UI are "squashed" (much like 7.1 sorted the end of the animation when using five finger pinch to return to the home screen on iOS 7 after it was broken from 7.0 onwards). If not I'll keep this Air on 7.1.2 and enjoy the performance.

In terms of UI fluidity (the zooming in/out animations, etc) the Air 1 on iOS 7.1.2 is identical to the Air 2 on 8.1.2 ... although there's no excuse for this slight stutter when in terms of UI design iOS 8 is identical to iOS 7 bar two slight changes (blur on home screen behind keyboard on Spotlight, and the Favourites "square" on Safari when you tap the URL bar as opposed to the entire page going white and showing the favourites like on iOS 7).

I'll get an Air 2 sometime next year IF I begin to see Apps stretching my Air 1 and becoming unusable. And given my 7 years experience of iOS devices, I know all too well that we're not going to see the latest model stretch it legs any time soon. It'll come, but not while the install base of the A6 and still sold A7 devices is so large.

Air 2 will be around for a long time though, unless Apple put something ridiculous in the Air 3, which we'll wait even longer to see get pushed to its limits.
 
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