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You better reach for a little KC Masterpiece to help it go down better...
Without an event, Apple doesn't announce products that aren't shipping immediately. And modest speed bumps in the PowerMac line would not warrant an event.
Originally posted by Some_Big_Spoon
When they release fairly priced computers on a frequent & regular schedule..
Some highlights from Intel's frequent & regular update schedule:
- August 2002: P4 2.8 Ghz, 533 Mhz FSB
- November 2002: P4 3.06 Ghz w/ HT
- April 2003: P4 3.0 Ghz, 800 Mhz FSB
- June 2003: P4 3.2 GHz
- February 2004: P4 3.4Ghz
I know I'm forgetting the Xeon, but the list would look similar for it, and the Extreme Edition is something inbetween.
what i think
Apple had a tough time keeping up with all the orders last time, they don't want to be in that possition again. Especially with a bum in the PowerMacs, iMac possible with a G5, and the PBs also getting the G5 chips. That is a lot of computers recieving the same chips. All are expected this year sometime. They might have recieved the chips, but what other technology will come with them, like the hypertransport. Will the new chips utilize this or will it still be on the old one. Tests of the new chips in the machines have yet to happen since Apple just got them, even though replacement of the old chips should cause no problems, testing is always needed to insure a good product. We don't want any duds now do we. Yeah, this will take time, but I think the current G5s are super fast.
Apple had a tough time keeping up with all the orders last time, they don't want to be in that possition again. Especially with a bum in the PowerMacs, iMac possible with a G5, and the PBs also getting the G5 chips. That is a lot of computers recieving the same chips. All are expected this year sometime. They might have recieved the chips, but what other technology will come with them, like the hypertransport. Will the new chips utilize this or will it still be on the old one. Tests of the new chips in the machines have yet to happen since Apple just got them, even though replacement of the old chips should cause no problems, testing is always needed to insure a good product. We don't want any duds now do we. Yeah, this will take time, but I think the current G5s are super fast.
enough with the music.. and praise for the music
Here's one sure to fire up the mac apologizers..
Say I work in a movie production house that's Mac based.. We get a project and get going on it.. Now, the Linux based house down the street can do the movie in half the time, makes this known, and swipes the project.. But I still have my iPod Mini! Oh Joy!
I can't render with an ipod.
Do I have to send that in an e-mail to Apple every day to get them to realize that people depend on their Computers to make a living?
I know this falls on deaf ears because pink MP3 players are just so *kewl*
Here's one sure to fire up the mac apologizers..
Say I work in a movie production house that's Mac based.. We get a project and get going on it.. Now, the Linux based house down the street can do the movie in half the time, makes this known, and swipes the project.. But I still have my iPod Mini! Oh Joy!
I can't render with an ipod.
Do I have to send that in an e-mail to Apple every day to get them to realize that people depend on their Computers to make a living?
I know this falls on deaf ears because pink MP3 players are just so *kewl*
Are people who are in the G5 market
going to wait 2 or 3 weeks to see if Apple announces revision B. G5 Powermacs ? That would be the thing I would do. If everyone did that maybe there could be some real deals made on the revision A . models then .
going to wait 2 or 3 weeks to see if Apple announces revision B. G5 Powermacs ? That would be the thing I would do. If everyone did that maybe there could be some real deals made on the revision A . models then .
Actually: CPU/Tech Timeline
That's the year 2000 tech, and you can see the progress from there.
And I said computers, not chips.. the technology and cost comparison as a whole.
Do research.
I think Apple is still on target. There were rumors earlier that it's not the hardware but software that's holding up the updates. They're just waiting for 10.3.3 to be up to snuff. I wouldn't be surprised to see dual 2.8 ghz this time around. My guess (yes, it's optimistic):
03 sept: dual 2.0 ghz
04 mar: dual 2.8 ghz
04 sept: dual 3.4 ghz
05 febr: dual 4.0 ghz
I'm hopeful that we'll hit 4 ghz by next MWSF. We should be on par with Intel and AMD by then.
I'm hoping (and figure) they're using the chips they're getting now to update the imacs. Possibly the pbooks and emacs as well, singles all around. The chips are still around 2Ghz, so it's not like there would be a speedbump for pmacs anyway. 3 Ghz will still be here by next school year, no worries
I like Tabasco on everything!
In any case, I didn't mean like "delayed shipping" (months away), but more like "now shipping", (really shipping in a couple of weeks to allow them to be built.) I don't know if this sounds logical, but I want to believe I can order my G5 this week.
If I'm wrong I will eat my left buttock with Tabasco Sauce. LOL...
Seems to me that a whole lot of bodyparts are gonna be eaten this week...
I also remember Steve saying: in a year, we should pass the 3 ghz barrier!
now,.. does he mean 'pass' like 3.01 Ghz, or like 3.x ghz?
Maybe assuming that developing 2.8 in march and 3.4 in September would be a cool roadmap!
there's NO better PR then saying: 'guys, we're ahead of our roadmap!
That would even have a greater impact on AMD's and Intel's fright right now..
Maybe they could have annouced 2.4 or 2.5 in january but prefered to announce 2.8 in March?
I also remember Steve saying: in a year, we should pass the 3 ghz barrier!
now,.. does he mean 'pass' like 3.01 Ghz, or like 3.x ghz?
Maybe assuming that developing 2.8 in march and 3.4 in September would be a cool roadmap!
there's NO better PR then saying: 'guys, we're ahead of our roadmap!
That would even have a greater impact on AMD's and Intel's fright right now..
Maybe they could have annouced 2.4 or 2.5 in january but prefered to announce 2.8 in March?
4.0 GHz? That's a more than a little optimistic. We probably won't see those speeds till we see the G6 (Power5 derivative chip at 65 nm die)
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The power macs right now are at $1,799, $2,499, $2,999. If they release one now, are you going to pay seems like $1,999-$2,000 for an entry model? We have to wait until this model saturates, price goes down so the new ones can take over this price point. I say they update the imacs, powerbooks by march, ibook and emacs by beginning of the summer, and either release the new power macs by summer or november. I know most wont like my idea, but it makes sure everything is updated, and will allow price drops, which is what apple needs. Sure apple can have a 3Ghz G5 power mac out, but it will cost a lot and most likely only vetern mac users and pros will buy it. Meanwhile Intel has their 4Ghz for less then $1,500.
Re: enough with the music.. and praise for the music
OMG you're right!!
I'm switching all the macs in the
studio to linux machines because
they are running at 4 or 5 ghz and
can...wait..uh they're not--and i have
yet to see one design house that
has a linux machine within a hundred
yards of it
I am sick of all the iPod stuff too, but
I am not convinced yet that apple has
or will abandon the mac to focus on
iPods--until this happens I don't see
design firms running to linux (or windows
for that matter) in droves
Originally posted by Some_Big_Spoon
Here's one sure to fire up the mac apologizers..
Say I work in a movie production house that's Mac based.. We get a project and get going on it.. Now, the Linux based house down the street can do the movie in half the time, makes this known, and swipes the project.. But I still have my iPod Mini! Oh Joy!
I can't render with an ipod.
OMG you're right!!
I'm switching all the macs in the
studio to linux machines because
they are running at 4 or 5 ghz and
can...wait..uh they're not--and i have
yet to see one design house that
has a linux machine within a hundred
yards of it
I am sick of all the iPod stuff too, but
I am not convinced yet that apple has
or will abandon the mac to focus on
iPods--until this happens I don't see
design firms running to linux (or windows
for that matter) in droves
Put me on the "take your time, do it right, get enough on supply to fill orders" side of the ledger.
And I really think judging the health of the Mac market by magazine pages is barely above guesswork. There has been consolidation in the reseller market, all magazine ads have been down for a while, etc.
And the tremendous online Mac community makes dead tree publications a risky bet anyway.
And I really think judging the health of the Mac market by magazine pages is barely above guesswork. There has been consolidation in the reseller market, all magazine ads have been down for a while, etc.
And the tremendous online Mac community makes dead tree publications a risky bet anyway.
I say
I say I eat....
(if there isnt a powermac release with a g5 between 2 and 3ghz within te next 3 month I say we ll see a direct jump from 2 to 3ghz in september)
... my mouth, teeth and throat,
if i am wrong here ;p
(now that is going to be really hard!)
I say I eat....
(if there isnt a powermac release with a g5 between 2 and 3ghz within te next 3 month I say we ll see a direct jump from 2 to 3ghz in september)
... my mouth, teeth and throat,
if i am wrong here ;p
(now that is going to be really hard!)
Re: Re: enough with the music.. and praise for the music
Said Movie, not design. Difference.
Furthermore: ILM, Dreamworks, Disney, Digital Domain, Pixar...
Said Movie, not design. Difference.
Furthermore: ILM, Dreamworks, Disney, Digital Domain, Pixar...
ohw Foxer i hope you are right
i would be so pissed if i ordered a G5 in april and it wasnt shipped until september when they will announce 3ghz.
i ll make clear if i can cancle my order any time that is over the normal shipping time that will be told to me.
i would be so pissed if i ordered a G5 in april and it wasnt shipped until september when they will announce 3ghz.
i ll make clear if i can cancle my order any time that is over the normal shipping time that will be told to me.
Re: Are people who are in the G5 market
I have BEEN waiting since MWSF for the new powermacs. It makes sense to me that they're just around the corner because:
- 10.3.3. was seeded (then pulled) and is supposed to be required for the rev B powermacs
- Apple admitted in their last conference call that earnings were down because of slow powermac sales. You don't speed up sales by waiting until summer 04 to release faster models.
I don't really need that much speed. But the price/performace disparity is so great right now across the mac line that it seems silly to buy anything else if you don't need mobility. Because Apple has waiting soooooooo long to release the rev Bs, I just may wait for the G5 imac's release. That can't be far off, either.
My $0.02.
I have BEEN waiting since MWSF for the new powermacs. It makes sense to me that they're just around the corner because:
- 10.3.3. was seeded (then pulled) and is supposed to be required for the rev B powermacs
- Apple admitted in their last conference call that earnings were down because of slow powermac sales. You don't speed up sales by waiting until summer 04 to release faster models.
I don't really need that much speed. But the price/performace disparity is so great right now across the mac line that it seems silly to buy anything else if you don't need mobility. Because Apple has waiting soooooooo long to release the rev Bs, I just may wait for the G5 imac's release. That can't be far off, either.
My $0.02.
A quick projection of that trend shows Intel only reaching 3.6 GHz by Sept 2004 and 4GHZ not until a year after that. However, linear projections only get you so far, but Intel doesn't seem to be on Moore's curve much lately.
@ varmit - they are tested
apple recieved lots of samples, maybe even last year.
i would not wonder if they get the first 65nm or 90nm 3ghz samples right now
apple recieved lots of samples, maybe even last year.
i would not wonder if they get the first 65nm or 90nm 3ghz samples right now
Re: @ varmit - they are tested
Where's your source? Link? Article? Back this up.
I'll believe it when it's for sale.
Where's your source? Link? Article? Back this up.
I'll believe it when it's for sale.
cant find it now
but you know apple got some 970s that run dual in a 1U server rack.
so it must be possible to run them at 2.5 ghz in the pm g5 tower as well.
from this point of view the rest is unimportant, apple has the possibliity to put up a new product;
the question in fact is to me
1. are they filling up they stock with new machines so that they can deliver faster and clearing up they "old" g5s?
2. are they implementing any futher technologies?
3. do they want to launch PowerBook and iMac/eMac upgrades first?
4. do they want to launch iMac/eMac/PowerBook and G5 at the same time? or at least PB and PM updates?
to me the G5 Rev. B must be ready now already - at apple internally.
but you know apple got some 970s that run dual in a 1U server rack.
so it must be possible to run them at 2.5 ghz in the pm g5 tower as well.
from this point of view the rest is unimportant, apple has the possibliity to put up a new product;
the question in fact is to me
1. are they filling up they stock with new machines so that they can deliver faster and clearing up they "old" g5s?
2. are they implementing any futher technologies?
3. do they want to launch PowerBook and iMac/eMac upgrades first?
4. do they want to launch iMac/eMac/PowerBook and G5 at the same time? or at least PB and PM updates?
to me the G5 Rev. B must be ready now already - at apple internally.
Think Secret: "IBM just announced its faster 90nm PowerPC 970FX last week, but Apple has had the chips for a number of weeks, sources said. Around Macworld SF, sources projected that the chips would show up in faster G5s sometime in the first two months of 2004, but sources now say not to expect any G5 changes during the month of February. While Apple's product announcement dates are often subject to change, sources believe this accurately represents the company's current plans."
as i said - they got samples for quite a time now...
as i said - they got samples for quite a time now...
Hey, I said a few highlights, just wanted to remind everybody how much speedbumps there were from Intel over last 18 months (incl. FSB).
BTW, I got my info from www.macinfo.de.
And other things like PCI, Firewire, USB, graphic cards progress in a much more platform independant way.