No PowerMacs in February?

[michaelal]

Originally posted by Some_Big_Spoon
"How long will it take for Apple to get back into the consumer computer market?"

When they release fairly priced computers on a frequent & regular schedule..

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I totally agree. I said it earlier, I believe Apple is arrogant and does not care enough about their customers to win back market share. The IPod is a great device and it makes a lot of money for Apple, but the IPod is not a computer, obviously, and doesn't help you or I who want bigger and better computers, not just toys. It only makes me mad because I am resisting with every bone in my body to switch to the PC world. I am frustrated by Apple and have been watching this for years. I thought with the introduction of the G5, Apple might be getting more aggressive about computers, but it appears that really only care about their profits, not whether they can produce a really great computer. I know this is true in the PC world. I expect it there. But with Apple charging so much for there computers, they really need to put out a great product. If I only wanted a so-so computer, I could purchase a reasonable good one from Dell for $500.

 

[Mac Dummy]

Not really looking for a faster Powermac, just a cheaper one.

I'm not really waiting for a faster Powermac. I'm just waiting for the dual 2Ghz to drop in price a bit. Hope Apple drops the 1.6Ghz G5 from the lineup and makes the dual 1.8Ghz the low end G5 and dual 2.0 Ghz the middle weight machine.

I almost forgot for $2799, you can buy a dual 2.0 Ghz G5 from Virgina Tech's Supercomputer, I heard they where phasing them out.

Here is the article, what I understand is that MacMall is selling them with 1Gb of RAM.

http://www.macminute.com/2004/02/12/macmall

Or you can go directly to the source.

http://www.macmall.com/macmall/promotions/custom.asp?p=supercomputer

 

[Mr. Toast]

This is what's going to happen:

I've got 0 inside info, but here's what I think is going to happen.

Come Macworld Boston next July, the PM will still be at 1.6, D1.8, and D2.0. Jobs gets up on stage and says his "and one more thing...." line, and then goes on to talk about how they had promised a 3.0GHz G5 by a year after the introduction of the original G5.

"Introducing the PowerMac G5 Dual 3.5GHz."

Consider it prophesied.

 

[hayesk]

Re: enough with the music.. and praise for the music

Originally posted by Some_Big_Spoon
Here's one sure to fire up the mac apologizers..

Say I work in a movie production house that's Mac based.. We get a project and get going on it.. Now, the Linux based house down the street can do the movie in half the time, makes this known, and swipes the project.. But I still have my iPod Mini! Oh Joy!

If you get a project and get going on it, then you've already signed a contract, so it can't just be "swiped."

Do you actually think a studio just walks in your door with a disk and says "produce this"? The bulk of the time is discussing, planning, and implementing. Rendering is not necessarily the biggest factor.

Movie production requires more than just simple speed. People do movie production and deal with computer interfaces tweaking, setting, editing, drawing, etc. A couple of 4GHz machines aren't going to cut down very much time if the users are futzing about in primitive Linux tools. Not only that, you are equating rendering time to processor speed. Nevermind that the RAM and disk buses are slower (or the same speed) than the PowerMac G5s.

 

[pbrennen]

Originally posted by michaelal
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I totally agree. I said it earlier, I believe Apple is arrogant and does not care enough about their customers to win back market share.

You do realize that you, and almost everyone posting here, is a zealot, right? To care about zealots would be a major blunder. Remember the difference between loyalty and zealotry.

 

[Dont Hurt Me]

I have asked this a bunch of times but ill ask it again, what is going to dictate what Apple can do with the 970fx is HOW MANY CAN IBM MAKE PER QTR? If Apple only has x amount of chips its not likely they will be going into all these products. In fact if production is low we might not even see a G5 powerbook or Imac because they will all be in the Xserves and Powermacs. anyone care to answer this?

 

[Some_Big_Spoon]

Originally posted by Dont Hurt Me
I have asked this a bunch of times but ill ask it again, what is going to dictate what Apple can do with the 970fx is HOW MANY CAN IBM MAKE PER QTR? If Apple only has x amount of chips its not likely they will be going into all these products. In fact if production is low we might not even see a G5 powerbook or Imac because they will all be in the Xserves and Powermacs. anyone care to answer this?

We don't know, Arn doesn't know, ThinkSecret doesn't know.. only one's who know are IBM, and possibly Apple. The OEM suppliers may catch wind a wee bit before release.. Other than that, no one knows a thing until IBM and/or Apple say something, or a product is released.

Until then, we sit and wait, and do our best with what we have.

 

[wdlove]

Re: This is what's going to happen:

Originally posted by Mr. Toast
I've got 0 inside info, but here's what I think is going to happen.

Come Macworld Boston next July, the PM will still be at 1.6, D1.8, and D2.0. Jobs gets up on stage and says his "and one more thing...." line, and then goes on to talk about how they had promised a 3.0GHz G5 by a year after the introduction of the original G5.

"Introducing the PowerMac G5 Dual 3.5GHz."

Consider it prophesied.

From you lips Mr. Toast. That certainly would fulfill two dreams for me. How much I want to see Steve back here in Boston after a 5 year drought. I think he'd be impressed by the Big Dig nightmare is over and the new convention center. It's about time that Apple & IDG patch up their differences.

That Rev. B Mac would soon after be on my desk.

 

[trilogic]

I already have a Dual G5 therefor I don't care about new ones. I want a new cinemadisplay in G5 look. NOW

Am i beeing selfish? sorry
wrong thread? sorry

 

[JW Pepper]

 

[ZildjianKX]

If the top of the line gets bumped to a DP 2.5 GHz G5 (probably a 2.4 GHz due to the clock), ready to hear TONS of people whine that they just bought a DP 2.0 GHz G5 and now their computer dropped in price by $1500?

This shouldn't be a minor speed bump, but a major one if in fact what Steve said is true... if that is the case macs could really start losing some of their resale value.

 

[Dont Hurt Me]

I hope something like this happens, i remember the top of the line DA 733 was about 3 grand or more and then they introduced Quicksilver 733 and the base unit was $1699. apple did remove the l3 but still the machine became almost 1500 bucks cheaper. Still think Quicksilver was one of the best machines Apple made.

 

[neilw]

If the top of the line gets bumped to a DP 2.5 GHz G5 (probably a 2.4 GHz due to the clock), ready to hear TONS of people whine that they just bought a DP 2.0 GHz G5 and now their computer dropped in price by $1500?

I've never understood this particular complaint, except to simply categorize it as a whine and be done with it. There's always going to be someone who buys just before an update, and gets "screwed" like that. If you buy a Mac several months after the last upgrade, you're taking that risk. I'm baffled why people are seemingly taken by surprise.

Mind you, if Apple did a better job reducing its prices between major updates, it wouldn't be as big an issue. But their MO is well understood now, and it is what it is.

As for the new processors, I'll be shocked if Apple makes the jump to 3GHz in one shot. Something with the top end in the 2.4 - 2.6 range, introduced in March, seems so much more likely.

What is more interesting to me is how they handle the bottom of the line. Stay with a crippled single processor, or upgrade the low-end some more to keep some space above new G5 iMacs and/or mini-Tower?

My dream scenario is PowerMacs all dual, 2 GHz and up, with iMacs and new miniTower up to 2 GHz single (maybe even with G4 as super-cheap low end.) That's probably not realistic, but I can dream. It would be a product line that really makes sense, whereas the current one doesn't, at least to me.

 

[Segmac]

I know nothing...I know nothing

I have been watching the Apple Store sale page for some time now and they seem to clear out their inventory BEFORE they update a product line.
This purely unscientific method has led me to believe that updates to several lines ARE likely soon.

I am not willing to eat body parts (mine or anyone elses) based on this info, but for me its enough to get my hopes back up.

The sale page no longer has any refurb G4/G5, only one emac, and only one G5. No cinema displays of any size are listed now. They do have a good deal of powerbooks left and xserves. But the iBook selection is small too. This page seems to be updated from last week.

If Apple still keeps only 24hrs of inventory on hand then the Sale page could been a good inicator of what they are clearing out.

 

[ITR 81]

Maybe SJ will just jump directly to 3Ghz then do a 2.5Ghz. I'm willing to wait till summer for a 3Ghz.

 

[Jonnod III]

Originally posted by neilw


I've never understood this particular complaint, except to simply categorize it as a whine and be done with it. There's always going to be someone who buys just before an update, and gets "screwed" like that. If you buy a Mac several months after the last upgrade, you're taking that risk. I'm baffled why people are seemingly taken by surprise.

Mind you, if Apple did a better job reducing its prices between major updates, it wouldn't be as big an issue. But their MO is well understood now, and it is what it is. [/B]

Yeah, well, I used to agree with you on this - but I ordered a G5 Dual on 12th December. It shipped (Apple UK) on Friday. May arrive this week - though I don't really understand why TNT Holland handles a delivery from southern Ireland to the West of England...

I have a 23" Cinema in the order too... Apple UK can't give me a decent reason and won't discuss 'compensation' until the order is delivered. Perhaps they think that when I get the lovely G5 box I'll melt, forget the delay and not ask for any.

This is what will piss me, my order takes over 10 weeks or so - and just after it is delivered a speed bump for the G5 is announced, and a new form factor for the 23" LCD. I ordered the fastest Mac available on 12th Dec last year, that's what I wanted. If it had been delivered just after Xmas, I wouldn't have a gripe - that's life.

Anyway - here's hoping that there are no speed bumps on the G5s until July.

 

[johnpaul191]

the 10.3.3 bug rumor.....

Originally posted by tibor
- 10.3.3. was seeded (then pulled) and is supposed to be required for the rev B powermacs
My $0.02.

i question this rumor.... in the past Apple has shipped new powermacs with a version of the OS not yet available for the public, and it ends up being a different build then the rest of us would download. it may still be called 10.3.3 but it might not be the same 10.3.3 we download at home.

i'm not sure that's the good way to do it, but they have done it in the past. that makes me think there is something more going on than a rumored 20inch iMac bug holding back revised G5 powermacs.

on a positive note, it seems there are less refurb G5s around than a few weeks ago. hopefully we can see that as a sign they are clearing inventory, at least till those 1,100 2x2GHz G5s from VT start getting sold off.

 

[johnpaul191]

Originally posted by Some_Big_Spoon
We don't know, Arn doesn't know, ThinkSecret doesn't know.. only one's who know are IBM, and possibly Apple. The OEM suppliers may catch wind a wee bit before release.. Other than that, no one knows a thing until IBM and/or Apple say something, or a product is released.

Until then, we sit and wait, and do our best with what we have.

remember a few months ago there were stories about IBM having issues working out the kinks in the new CPU plant (where they make the 970s). has there been anything to point to them getting up to speed? i would assume it's all happy now, but ...... well?

 

[Jonnod III]

Oh, I nearly forgot - Apple made two unauthorised debits from my bank account at the end of January - lucky I check my statements.

It's just as well I'm an Apple fan.....

 

[jcdenton]

A school in my town has just run into some confusion during the order of some 1.6 GHz G5 machines and the district Apple's rep is presently telling them they will be getting 1.8 GHz machines instead.

Not sure what that means -- it could just be an apology for the two weeks' screwup in ordering, or it could be that the Apple education channel in town here doens't have a lot of G5s around.

Has anyone else ordered a 1.6 GHz recently? (If they have and it has gone through without these complications, then the local problem could be unrelated to upgrade schedules).

 

[hose this!]

pshaw

I don't even really care about the PowerMac. What's making me full of vinegar right now is the idea that Apple is witholding Cinema Display updates to coincide with a PowerMac update. I mean c'mon, how old are they already? And still running USB 1.1!

Just reminds of the how the 1st gen AluBooks came with USB 1.1, nearly a year(?) after many PC Books had adopted USB 2.0 as standard. You can talk all you want about good design and good interface etc. The tech specs still have to keep up.

 

[Parikh1234]

Re: pshaw

Originally posted by hose this!
I don't even really care about the PowerMac. What's making me full of vinegar right now is the idea that Apple is witholding Cinema Display updates to coincide with a PowerMac update. I mean c'mon, how old are they already? And still running USB 1.1!

Just reminds of the how the 1st gen AluBooks came with USB 1.1, nearly a year(?) after many PC Books had adopted USB 2.0 as standard. You can talk all you want about good design and good interface etc. The tech specs still have to keep up.

USB is dead in my opinion, firewire is so much better, didnt really mind that apple didnt update usb, as long as they update firewire

Maybe SJ will just jump directly to 3Ghz then do a 2.5Ghz. I'm willing to wait till summer for a 3Ghz.

I dont remember steve promising 2.5, 2.4,2.6 powermacs or anything of that sort. He said 3.0 and nothing else. I think he meant exactely that. They are going to stay at 3 until the summer. Live with it. The way im looking at it is it just gives me more time to save up for 8 gigs of ram

 

[clr900]

I know that I will not be able to afford the highest model even when rev. B is released, but I am still waiting because maybe dual 2ghz will be entry level? Should I wait until summer when I could either get dual 2ghz very cheaper or possibly an even faster machine for the entry level price right now? This is quite a predicament you have created for me Apple...

 

[neilw]

Originally posted by Jonnod III
Yeah, well, I used to agree with you on this - but I ordered a G5 Dual on 12th December. It shipped (Apple UK) on Friday. May arrive this week - though I don't really understand why TNT Holland handles a delivery from southern Ireland to the West of England...

Well, that's another matter. 9 or 10 week delivery is appalling, and I'd be pissed as well. If I had to wait a couple of months for a machine, and then they upgraded the machines a week later, that's grounds for a major complaint.

But other folks seem to feel that their purchase of any machine should prohibit Apple from upgrades for the next 3 months or so....

 

[TranceClubMusic]

Hate to Say I told you so

Ah yes! Dont we all remember back in the begining of January - when TranceClubMusic was the biggest joke of the Rumor boards.........Threatened with getting banned, being to excited and of course wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy off base to make a claim that in Febuary we would all see ZIPPO.
Hate to say it but told ya so
and according to the source here at work (no NOT an apple retail store empoyee) the rumors are correct with NO PM G5 updates in Febuary - just like I was told in January expect March.

PS - I dont claim to be a "know it all" or a "Neatgekko" but I do have "some" info as the Federal Courthouse in Miami switches to Apple and the Apple Rep for Government Supplies does have a little bit of info she likes to share when I see her around. Though she isnt privy to exact dates - she has been right on target with when items are going to be released. Lets see how she does on the G5 PM.