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From the Infoworld article:
"The blend of the different manufacturing techniques gives IBM a unique chip that will appeal to very different customers, said Richard Doherty, research director at The Envisioneering Group. "[IBM's] manufacturing technique gives them the breadth that the chip can be a stump-pulling pickup truck or a high-mileage sports car," Doherty said. It can be used in high-performance computers like Apple's PowerMacs, or in the embedded networking equipment that helps route Internet traffic, he said.
IBM's 90nm process has also been remarkably free of the yield problems that affect most chip companies as they introduce a new process, he added."
I guess they aren't having problems, or so it would appear.
Re: Hate to Say I told you so
Ah yes! Too much information.
She's fired.
Originally posted by TranceClubMusic
PS - I dont claim to be a "know it all" or a "Neatgekko" but I do have "some" info as the Federal Courthouse in Miami switches to Apple and the Apple Rep for Government Supplies does have a little bit of info she likes to share when I see her around. Though she isnt privy to exact dates - she has been right on target with when items are going to be released. Lets see how she does on the G5 PM.
Ah yes! Too much information.
She's fired.
Re: enough with the music.. and praise for the music
No my brotha/sista,
Here's what ya do: jack the price, take the job, farm it out to the Linux house, look like a hero when you are done in half the time and get a big bonus. Oh, and in the meantime be working on a different project and get mo money, mo money, MO MONEY!
Now go buy yerself a pink Mini-iPod!
Originally posted by Some_Big_Spoon
Here's one sure to fire up the mac apologizers..
Say I work in a movie production house that's Mac based.. We get a project and get going on it.. Now, the Linux based house down the street can do the movie in half the time, makes this known, and swipes the project.. But I still have my iPod Mini! Oh Joy!
I can't render with an ipod.
No my brotha/sista,
Here's what ya do: jack the price, take the job, farm it out to the Linux house, look like a hero when you are done in half the time and get a big bonus. Oh, and in the meantime be working on a different project and get mo money, mo money, MO MONEY!
Now go buy yerself a pink Mini-iPod!
Hey, this is exactly what happened back when the G5s were first introduced. I ordered a DP 2.0 GHz G5 and the wait was so horrible that I downgraded to a SP 1.8 just so I could have my computer by the time my school started in October. Not long after I got my SP, it was phased out...
Wait, wait, wait...
Well I'm one of those people waiting to buy. I'd like a new G5 (probably mid, unless the low end is dual), but waiting a few more weeks gives me another paycheck or two to help cover the cost. I just hope more than just the processor is updated. Nothing major of course, but new options in Video cards would be cool, and lower prices on Harddrives would also be nice.
Also, maybe this is dumb, but is there a difference between PCI-X and PCI Express? Are they the same? I just keep hearing about how PCI Express is coming out and will be so cool, yadda, yadda... I thought PCI-X was that though, someone clue me in on that info. Thanks.
Well I'm one of those people waiting to buy. I'd like a new G5 (probably mid, unless the low end is dual), but waiting a few more weeks gives me another paycheck or two to help cover the cost. I just hope more than just the processor is updated. Nothing major of course, but new options in Video cards would be cool, and lower prices on Harddrives would also be nice.
Also, maybe this is dumb, but is there a difference between PCI-X and PCI Express? Are they the same? I just keep hearing about how PCI Express is coming out and will be so cool, yadda, yadda... I thought PCI-X was that though, someone clue me in on that info. Thanks.
Re: Wait, wait, wait...
I was confused at one time as well.
PCI-X is basically a "faster" PCI Slot. Manufacturers of many different devices that "plug" into the PCI Slots (for example, Network Cards, Wireless Cards and even low end video cards) will now have a faster BUS to the System Board.
From what I heard PCI-Express is going to replace the AGP Slot on the system board. It will have 16X vs the 8x of an AGP Video Card.
I was confused at one time as well.
PCI-X is basically a "faster" PCI Slot. Manufacturers of many different devices that "plug" into the PCI Slots (for example, Network Cards, Wireless Cards and even low end video cards) will now have a faster BUS to the System Board.
From what I heard PCI-Express is going to replace the AGP Slot on the system board. It will have 16X vs the 8x of an AGP Video Card.
Re: Re: Wait, wait, wait...
I'm sure someone will correct me (please) if I'm wrong.
Actually, PCI-X is simply a faster version of the existing PCI bus, while PCI-Express is the next generation of peripheral bus. If it replaces AGP, it's because AGP will no longer be necessary due to the high bandwidth available in PCI-Express.
I'm sure someone will correct me (please) if I'm wrong.
Re: Re: Re: enough with the music.. and praise for the music
noted--but not much of a difference--
movie studios aren't using FCP or
shake on linux boxes as far as i know
noted--but not much of a difference--
movie studios aren't using FCP or
shake on linux boxes as far as i know
Re: Re: Re: Hate to Say I told you so
lol--got any for the rest of us while we
wait for new macs?
Originally posted by TranceClubMusic
Sorry - Guess I was on all three when I wrote it
lol--got any for the rest of us while we
wait for new macs?
64-bit Migration
Apple's move to higher-speed G5s are of critical importance to me. Right now I'm running an AMD Athlon 650 with Window2s 2K Pro, and while it's been a terrific computer since early 2000, it's time to replace it as my main PC.
If Apple comes out with a PowerMac at 3.0 ghz by autumn 2004, it likely means I'll be able to get a single-processor 2.0ghz G5 for about $1800 then. However, if Apple dawdles, I've been seriously looking into Xandros Linux running on an AMD64 at 3.4ghz for under $1000.
My next PC will be 64-bits, no $ to Microsoft, and ready to roll for 4 years. While the Mac is much better from a UI and hardware integration perspective, Xandros offers Windows app compatibility through Codeweaver (no $ to MS), much less $ for a ground-level machine and support for the GNU/Linux movement.
I'm not trolling, just sharing some thoughts on the decision about moving to the 64-bit world.
Apple's move to higher-speed G5s are of critical importance to me. Right now I'm running an AMD Athlon 650 with Window2s 2K Pro, and while it's been a terrific computer since early 2000, it's time to replace it as my main PC.
If Apple comes out with a PowerMac at 3.0 ghz by autumn 2004, it likely means I'll be able to get a single-processor 2.0ghz G5 for about $1800 then. However, if Apple dawdles, I've been seriously looking into Xandros Linux running on an AMD64 at 3.4ghz for under $1000.
My next PC will be 64-bits, no $ to Microsoft, and ready to roll for 4 years. While the Mac is much better from a UI and hardware integration perspective, Xandros offers Windows app compatibility through Codeweaver (no $ to MS), much less $ for a ground-level machine and support for the GNU/Linux movement.
I'm not trolling, just sharing some thoughts on the decision about moving to the 64-bit world.
Re: 64-bit Migration
hey, any powermac you buy will blow that Athlon out of the water. Don't wait and spend just for bragging rights. You'll be happy with a DP 2.0 GHz for years to come.
Actually, I'm running a fair amount of GNU/Linux app's on my iMac. Only very rarely do linux programs not compile, either through fink or directly from source. I especially like octave, almost perfectly matlab compatible. Downside is that it was busy overnight compiling, but it works beautifully. GRASS GIS also saved me from investing some $ 20,000 in ArcView software...
This stuff is very awkward on Windows and another reason for me to be very happy with my iMac!
M.
PS. I use Octave for mathimatical modelling. Anyways, if you don't know already what matlab is, you most probably don't need to know.
hey, any powermac you buy will blow that Athlon out of the water. Don't wait and spend just for bragging rights. You'll be happy with a DP 2.0 GHz for years to come.
Actually, I'm running a fair amount of GNU/Linux app's on my iMac. Only very rarely do linux programs not compile, either through fink or directly from source. I especially like octave, almost perfectly matlab compatible. Downside is that it was busy overnight compiling, but it works beautifully. GRASS GIS also saved me from investing some $ 20,000 in ArcView software...
This stuff is very awkward on Windows and another reason for me to be very happy with my iMac!
M.
PS. I use Octave for mathimatical modelling. Anyways, if you don't know already what matlab is, you most probably don't need to know.
Re: This is what's going to happen:
The chance of SJ getting up on stage at MW Boston 2004 and saying anything is about the same as the chance of Apple announcing a $500 dual 5 GHz Mac by next summer. WWDC? That's a different story, although I think that dual 3.5 GHz is a tad optimistic.
The chance of SJ getting up on stage at MW Boston 2004 and saying anything is about the same as the chance of Apple announcing a $500 dual 5 GHz Mac by next summer. WWDC? That's a different story, although I think that dual 3.5 GHz is a tad optimistic.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Wait, wait, wait...
On the first part, PCI-X, yes, that's what you said. However, PCI-Express isn't intended only to "replace the AGP slot", which is how your sentence read, to me. "Replace the AGP slot" did not say anything to indicate that PCI-Express is a next-generation update of PCI. Anyway, no big deal.Originally posted by TranceClubMusic
Ummmmmmmmmm - Isnt that what I just said?
3ghz in or by July? Not gonna happen. Stretching the truth is what Steve, and many other good salespersons, do in order to stimulate interest and promote positive feelings about what they sell to other people. Is it common? Yeah. Is it just, fair, right, moral? No. Is it good business in our modern society? Only for them.
I know the G5 can access up to 16GB of RAM. Why didn't they build a box capable of that? Is there almost no demand for so much RAM?
The Quicksilver 733 was a piece of ****. I own one myself. Because of the missing L3 Cache that thing was really slooooooow, especially the OS or when you did Multitasking.
Since I put a Sonnet 1.2GHz processor upgrade it is finally usable. On some tasks it gained about 300% (or more) of speed, overall it is about 2 times faster!
Like that it will last me at least another 2, 3 or even 4 years as a secondary system.
groovebuster
Re: Re: pshaw
USB is dead? You gotta be kidding me! The whole PC world is using USB (also 2.0). You hardly find a PC with a FireWire port.
Of course FireWire is better for high bandwidth peripherals, but in most cases it is the marketing that decides which technology becomes a standard.
Just compare the prices between external HD cases with USB or FireWire port. FireWire is always more expensive. And that's (besides the licensing fees) because higher volume means lower prices. Most people care about the price and so they take USB, since for Joe Six-Pack it doesn't make a difference if he's using USB or FireWire.
Also the USB support these days is already a standard feature on Intel chip sets that a lot of motherboard manufacturers are using. No additional fees, it is just there. Why putting an extra FireWire chip on the board, that costs extra money and actually is not demanded by most customers, because they only have USB periperals anyway...
I could go on and on and on...
I think that FireWire is dead on the long run and it will become a propietary standard for Mac users who are willing to spend 30$ more just to use their FireWire port with some gadget. Less and less manufacturers will even offer items with a FireWire Interface. Anybody remember the ADB or the serial port on the old Macs?
groovebuster
USB is dead? You gotta be kidding me! The whole PC world is using USB (also 2.0). You hardly find a PC with a FireWire port.
Of course FireWire is better for high bandwidth peripherals, but in most cases it is the marketing that decides which technology becomes a standard.
Just compare the prices between external HD cases with USB or FireWire port. FireWire is always more expensive. And that's (besides the licensing fees) because higher volume means lower prices. Most people care about the price and so they take USB, since for Joe Six-Pack it doesn't make a difference if he's using USB or FireWire.
Also the USB support these days is already a standard feature on Intel chip sets that a lot of motherboard manufacturers are using. No additional fees, it is just there. Why putting an extra FireWire chip on the board, that costs extra money and actually is not demanded by most customers, because they only have USB periperals anyway...
I could go on and on and on...
I think that FireWire is dead on the long run and it will become a propietary standard for Mac users who are willing to spend 30$ more just to use their FireWire port with some gadget. Less and less manufacturers will even offer items with a FireWire Interface. Anybody remember the ADB or the serial port on the old Macs?
groovebuster
ghz and speed...
All you people out there complaining that apple machines need to become faster, and this needs to becme faster and that needs to become faster.... blah blah blah,
First of all, Mac are RISC-based and PCs are mainly still CISC based machines. that means that a PC based machine would need so many more cycles to complete the same set of instructons as the MAC, therefore, a head-on race for Chip-frequency between MAC and PC is really idiotic, like comparing a plane, vs a ship.
Second, I use a G4 466MHz and use it for extensive Photoshop work and some DTP and Illustrator work, and although I have not had the pleasure of working with OS X yet - our company will only be upgrading towards the end of the year - I find that the operating speed between my mac and a newer model with 1 Ghz are minimal, the only time when you will notice a difference is when you are doing pure processing work, like applying filters or rendering.
So, for all the speedfreaks out there unless youre into heavy 3d rendering , video production or other intensive processor work, give Apple the time to bring out the right product, without errors, bugs or other faults. Look at how many PC-based companies go belly up because they are trying to deliver quickest without considering quality.
All you people out there complaining that apple machines need to become faster, and this needs to becme faster and that needs to become faster.... blah blah blah,
First of all, Mac are RISC-based and PCs are mainly still CISC based machines. that means that a PC based machine would need so many more cycles to complete the same set of instructons as the MAC, therefore, a head-on race for Chip-frequency between MAC and PC is really idiotic, like comparing a plane, vs a ship.
Second, I use a G4 466MHz and use it for extensive Photoshop work and some DTP and Illustrator work, and although I have not had the pleasure of working with OS X yet - our company will only be upgrading towards the end of the year - I find that the operating speed between my mac and a newer model with 1 Ghz are minimal, the only time when you will notice a difference is when you are doing pure processing work, like applying filters or rendering.
So, for all the speedfreaks out there unless youre into heavy 3d rendering , video production or other intensive processor work, give Apple the time to bring out the right product, without errors, bugs or other faults. Look at how many PC-based companies go belly up because they are trying to deliver quickest without considering quality.
Re: Re: Re: pshaw
You'll be hard pressed to find a new PC without firewire. And virtually all PCs still have a serial port, nothing 'proprietary standard for mac users' about that. Of course ADB is a different matter, as is ADC. ADC is a elegant solution, but hardly used nonetheless. Even my LittleAl doesn't have one.
M.
True. He'll just buy whatever's in the gadget. In the case of e.g. digital camcorders this just happens to be firewire. Remember the cliche 'it just works'?
You'll be hard pressed to find a new PC without firewire. And virtually all PCs still have a serial port, nothing 'proprietary standard for mac users' about that. Of course ADB is a different matter, as is ADC. ADC is a elegant solution, but hardly used nonetheless. Even my LittleAl doesn't have one.
M.
Re: Re: Re: pshaw
Don't say that too soon, consider SCSI, 10-12 years ago, when the PC computer-boom started, only Apple delivered machines with on-board SCSI, the PC world had to buy cards to connect their scanners or connect via their serial port. And SCSI did become an industry standard and the MACs were ahead because all macs had std SCSI chips on board, so, If Apple wants to put a firewire in their machines, let them do so, yes, firewire peripherals are more expensive, but you also get higher speeds, especially in the professional market, and the Mac is after all, still a professional machine. So, wait and see and in 2 to 3 years time all the professionals will be using firewire and Apple will have scored another coup by offering firewire as a standard.
Don't say that too soon, consider SCSI, 10-12 years ago, when the PC computer-boom started, only Apple delivered machines with on-board SCSI, the PC world had to buy cards to connect their scanners or connect via their serial port. And SCSI did become an industry standard and the MACs were ahead because all macs had std SCSI chips on board, so, If Apple wants to put a firewire in their machines, let them do so, yes, firewire peripherals are more expensive, but you also get higher speeds, especially in the professional market, and the Mac is after all, still a professional machine. So, wait and see and in 2 to 3 years time all the professionals will be using firewire and Apple will have scored another coup by offering firewire as a standard.