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No PowerMacs in February?

Originally posted by michaelal
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:mad: I totally agree. I said it earlier, I believe Apple is arrogant and does not care enough about their customers to win back market share. The IPod is a great device and it makes a lot of money for Apple, but the IPod is not a computer, obviously, and doesn't help you or I who want bigger and better computers, not just toys. It only makes me mad because I am resisting with every bone in my body to switch to the PC world. I am frustrated by Apple and have been watching this for years. I thought with the introduction of the G5, Apple might be getting more aggressive about computers, but it appears that really only care about their profits, not whether they can produce a really great computer. I know this is true in the PC world. I expect it there. But with Apple charging so much for there computers, they really need to put out a great product. If I only wanted a so-so computer, I could purchase a reasonable good one from Dell for $500.
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Wndows are harder to navigate. Stick with Macs. You will be sorry. I have a Dell full of worms.
 
Originally posted by Jonnod III
Yeah, but the memory was ordered after the G5, (well after) and arrived first by two weeks...

Apple Store tell me I should have it by Friday. We shall see. What do you want a sound card for a G5 for...?
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I am an AUDIOPHILE. I don't want measley 16 bit 44.1KHz audio! Plus, I may want to run formats that an optical input won't support, 4.1, 6.1, or 7.1 audio for example. :D :p
 
As regards the buying memory every 6 months theory...I don't buy it.

It would be a pretty stupid business policy, given (a) that technology is always changing, possibly negating the need for, say, SDRAM as machines are moving to DDR-RAM, and (b) the constantly fluctuating nature of prices. The only reason to buy RAM in bulk ahead of time would be if you believed, based on speculation and research, that RAM prices were low and likely to rise.
 
Doesn't new RAM come out roughly every 6 months...or is that Video Ram... I recall some article about RAM improvements being cyclic, twice a year or soemthing, so maybe their is some method to their madness.
 
Originally posted by john123
As regards the buying memory every 6 months theory...I don't buy it.

It would be a pretty stupid business policy, given (a) that technology is always changing, possibly negating the need for, say, SDRAM as machines are moving to DDR-RAM, and (b) the constantly fluctuating nature of prices. The only reason to buy RAM in bulk ahead of time would be if you believed, based on speculation and research, that RAM prices were low and likely to rise.
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Well, the guy seemed pretty genuine to me, he was extremely helpful on other questions etc. otherwise I wouldn't have posted it here... So I don't view it as a theory. ;)
 
@ inval

1. get a rev b (no scratchy sounds)
2. try creative extigy or however they are called

(extermal usb 2 sound cards)
maybe u like that - maybe you dont.
 
Originally posted by Mr. Anderson
4.0 GHz? That's a more than a little optimistic. We probably won't see those speeds till we see the G6 (Power5 derivative chip at 65 nm die)

D
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what the ppc 976 isent that the one thats gonna be in the xbox 2. and thats due next year
 
Originally posted by Jonnod III
Well, the guy seemed pretty genuine to me, he was extremely helpful on other questions etc. otherwise I wouldn't have posted it here... So I don't view it as a theory. ;)
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Then maybe he was misinformed.

C'mon, as a matter of policy, buying millions/billions of dollars of electronics only twice yearly would be galactically retarded from a business point of view.

Then again, we are talking about Apple here...
 
Originally posted by john123
Then maybe he was misinformed.

C'mon, as a matter of policy, buying millions/billions of dollars of electronics only twice yearly would be galactically retarded from a business point of view.

Then again, we are talking about Apple here...
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Hmm, I'll have to disagree with you: for one, Apple can't afford to be dependent on their suppliers. What happens if all of a sudden Apple hasn't got any RAM left? Sorry valuable customers, the computers you have ordered are ready, but we don't have any RAM to put in them...

Second, because of the volatility of the prices of RAM, their stance might be to lock prices in by buying in advance. It doesn't necessarily mean that Apple think RAM prices are going to rise, it's just that they don't want to take any risk and leave themselves exposed to whatever fluctuation that might come.

I think the real problem is (if we are to believe this bi-annual RAM purchasing cycle) the reliability of their supplier...
 
any ideas about the 2003 sales figures for the G5 ?

I was curious about how many G5 units were sold last year. I am also interested in 2003 sales figures for the iMac and eMac as well . Anywhere that information might be posted ?
 
Originally posted by NicoMan
Hmm, I'll have to disagree with you: for one, Apple can't afford to be dependent on their suppliers. What happens if all of a sudden Apple hasn't got any RAM left? Sorry valuable customers, the computers you have ordered are ready, but we don't have any RAM to put in them...

Second, because of the volatility of the prices of RAM, their stance might be to lock prices in by buying in advance. It doesn't necessarily mean that Apple think RAM prices are going to rise, it's just that they don't want to take any risk and leave themselves exposed to whatever fluctuation that might come.

I think the real problem is (if we are to believe this bi-annual RAM purchasing cycle) the reliability of their supplier...
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As regards "dependency" on suppliers, every computer manufacturer does it. Rest assured that Samsung isn't going to just declare one day "we took a break from manufacturing RAM, and we'll return to work some time next year." It's not a barbershop...it's a manufacturing business. Further, if Samsung or one supplier has a hiccup in production, there are literally dozens of other alternate suppliers. Apple uses alternate suppliers ALL the time, which is why it is quite common to have 2 people with the same "model" of PowerBook when the two machines have guts inside made by different manufacturers.

Second, as regards the "risk" element...if Apple doesn't believe prices are low, then it's dumb to "lock in" those prices. A company is not like you buying lemonade from a kid on the corner. They have massive lines of credit and can take on debt. Go to the Finance section of yahoo and look up some tickers for major corporations -- you'll see that on the Balance Sheets, they all have liabilities (debts) of some sort, both long-term and short-term.
 
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Wait, wait, wait...

Originally posted by daveL
On the first part, PCI-X, yes, that's what you said. However, PCI-Express isn't intended only to "replace the AGP slot", which is how your sentence read, to me. "Replace the AGP slot" did not say anything to indicate that PCI-Express is a next-generation update of PCI. Anyway, no big deal.
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I disagree with your findings - read for yourself what ATI has to say: "2004 will mark the most significant update to PC architecture in the past decade. This is the year when the new PCI Express™ architecture will arrive on the market to replace the AGP and PCI standards. Already one application - HDTV video editing - requires PCI Express, and there will certainly be others in the near future, including PC gaming . Other graphics companies have cards that are compatible with PCI Express, but they are still only AGP cards that are “bridged” by a second chip to be physically compatible with PCI Express slots on the motherboard. This architecture can only work at AGP speeds, and is more vulnerable to failure, performance bottlenecks and incompatibility with software applications."

Sounds to me like PCI Express IS GOING TO CHANGE ALOT!
 
Well now we only have one week left to see if Steve will make any announcements. That means that we have 10 more months to dream about.
 
Originally posted by NicoMan
Hmm, I'll have to disagree with you: for one, Apple can't afford to be dependent on their suppliers. What happens if all of a sudden Apple hasn't got any RAM left? Sorry valuable customers, the computers you have ordered are ready, but we don't have any RAM to put in them...

Second, because of the volatility of the prices of RAM, their stance might be to lock prices in by buying in advance. It doesn't necessarily mean that Apple think RAM prices are going to rise, it's just that they don't want to take any risk and leave themselves exposed to whatever fluctuation that might come.

I think the real problem is (if we are to believe this bi-annual RAM purchasing cycle) the reliability of their supplier...
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Just because you put out a request for bids to a number of memory suppliers, for example, and then award one or two suppliers a 6 month contract to supply a certain volume of memory at a certain price, does not mean you take physical possession of that memory on day one of the contract. It also doesn't mean that you can't buy memory that doesn't become available until 3 months into the contract. The posts on this topic seem a bit simplistic to me.
 
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Wait, wait, wait...

Originally posted by TranceClubMusic
I disagree with your findings - read for yourself what ATI has to say: "2004 will mark the most significant update to PC architecture in the past decade. This is the year when the new PCI Express™ architecture will arrive on the market to replace the AGP and PCI standards. Already one application - HDTV video editing - requires PCI Express, and there will certainly be others in the near future, including PC gaming . Other graphics companies have cards that are compatible with PCI Express, but they are still only AGP cards that are “bridged” by a second chip to be physically compatible with PCI Express slots on the motherboard. This architecture can only work at AGP speeds, and is more vulnerable to failure, performance bottlenecks and incompatibility with software applications."

Sounds to me like PCI Express IS GOING TO CHANGE ALOT!
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Well, I guess either I can't write or you can't read, since I was trying to make the same point you are. I was posting in response to someone saying, simply, PCI Express is a replacement for AGP. I responded by saying:

"However, PCI-Express isn't intended only to "replace the AGP slot", which is how your sentence read, to me. "Replace the AGP slot" did not say anything to indicate that PCI-Express is a next-generation update of PCI. Anyway, no big deal."

This statement says: PCI Express is more than just a replacement for the AGP slot, it it the next generation of PCI. While not as dramatic as your statement, the intent was exactly the same, i.e. "PCI Express IS GOING TO CHANGE ALOT!"
 
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Originally posted by daveL
Well, I guess either I can't write or you can't read, since I was trying to make the same point you are. I was posting in response to someone saying, simply, PCI Express is a replacement for AGP. I responded by saying:

"However, PCI-Express isn't intended only to "replace the AGP slot", which is how your sentence read, to me. "Replace the AGP slot" did not say anything to indicate that PCI-Express is a next-generation update of PCI. Anyway, no big deal."

This statement says: PCI Express is more than just a replacement for the AGP slot, it it the next generation of PCI. While not as dramatic as your statement, the intent was exactly the same, i.e. "PCI Express IS GOING TO CHANGE ALOT!"
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I want what your smoking :cool:
 
i am desperate

i need a PM G5 Rev. B.
i hope apple sorts out the fan problems and the shipping delay problems they had back in time.

until then i am sad. :p
 
Re: i am desperate

Originally posted by ionas
i need a PM G5 Rev. B.
i hope apple sorts out the fan problems and the shipping delay problems they had back in time.

until then i am sad. :p
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God, I am in the same situation. I'm sitting on $5,000.00 and torn on how much longer too wait. Its killing me. I went to the Apple Store in Boca Raton Florida again today. Noone is buying computers only iPods. I backed out again purchasing - but the wait is getting so aggrivating. I dont know if I will make it any longer............I'm afraid once I buy - New Lower Prices and Faster Computers.............I hate this :mad:
 
PCI-X (Not PCI Express)

Does anyone know of ANY PCI-X (not to be confused with PCI Express) Devices? Why pay more for a technology when no one is planning on using it? Please correct me if I am wrong - but I think Apple has put another technology that no one seems to be using!? Where are these faster PCI-X Devices? What are they? Who is making them? Maybe the G5 1.6 isnt looking to bad anyways!
 
why the wait?

51 watts at 2.5GHz means 3GHz is EASY.

P4 (Northwood) dissipates 90 watts. Prescott dissipates 100+.

The only restrictor here is Apple Marketing. TRUST ME. G5 can come out at any speed south of 3GHz that Apple wants. They may opt to wait as Intel and AMD struggle - but if they were smart they would release dual 3GHz machines ASAP.

The 2GHz dualie is spanked by the P4 and murdered by the Athlon64 machines available right now. A 2.5GHz dualie might make the race closer, but a dual 3GHz model would win it and would be worth every penny of a $500 premium over the 2x2ghz available today.

They should absolutely bury the G4. Is was great in its day, but it needs to retire (you can't even play HDTV video on it - My 1.25GHz chokes on a 720p movie).
 
Re: Re: i am desperate

Originally posted by TranceClubMusic
God, I am in the same situation. I'm sitting on $5,000.00 and torn on how much longer too wait. Its killing me. I went to the Apple Store in Boca Raton Florida again today. Noone is buying computers only iPods. I backed out again purchasing - but the wait is getting so aggrivating. I dont know if I will make it any longer............I'm afraid once I buy - New Lower Prices and Faster Computers.............I hate this :mad:
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I think your right to hang off. Even if its a few months, time flies and you would be kicking yourself when the upgrades to whatever your after arrive. If you plan to kepe this machine a few years then a few more months is worth it. This is my philosophy at present, short term pain for long term pleasure :p
 
Re: Re: the 10.3.3 bug rumor.....

Originally posted by daveL
As mentioned in this thread and others, the VT dual G5s are already being sold. The implication, of course, is that VT is already receiving G5 Xserves to replace the PMs.
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Another take on this delay of Rev B PM G5s would be that Apple agreed to hold off until at least a majority of these VT PMs were sold. Think about it. Rev Bs come out and MacMall is still selling these 2 Ghz G5s for $2799?

Just something to think about.
 
Re: Re: Re: i am desperate

Originally posted by aswitcher
I think your right to hang off. Even if its a few months, time flies and you would be kicking yourself when the upgrades to whatever your after arrive. If you plan to kepe this machine a few years then a few more months is worth it. This is my philosophy at present, short term pain for long term pleasure :p
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I agree that the wait will be worth our time. If the Rev. B doesn't come in March/April then it will definitely be announced by Steve at WWDC in June. I plan on being patient. My plan now is to wait until Fall, unless something major happen before that to change my mind.

On the other side of the wait issue is that if you keep waiting, you could end up waiting for ever. At some point you have to decide that you need a new PM G5. Then just bite the bullet and make a purchase.
 
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