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No PowerMacs in February?

Re: ghz and speed...

Originally posted by ph8te
Second, I use a G4 466MHz and use it for extensive Photoshop work and some DTP and Illustrator work, and although I have not had the pleasure of working with OS X yet - our company will only be upgrading towards the end of the year - I find that the operating speed between my mac and a newer model with 1 Ghz are minimal, the only time when you will notice a difference is when you are doing pure processing work, like applying filters or rendering.

So, for all the speedfreaks out there unless youre into heavy 3d rendering , video production or other intensive processor work, give Apple the time to bring out the right product, without errors, bugs or other faults. Look at how many PC-based companies go belly up because they are trying to deliver quickest without considering quality.
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I'd have to disagree. As the owner of a retouching studio, I always find it the best option to buy the fastest machines available. Photoshop eats memory and I could always do with more processor speed.

Slow computers = time waiting = time not working = less profit.

Until computers can process 16bit multilayered poster sized files in real time then faster is always going to be neccesary for me. Of course it still makes no sense to spend money on redundant machines when the majority are sure that new technology for the same price is just around the corner.
 
Re: Re: Re: Re: pshaw

Originally posted by iHack
And virtually all PCs still have a serial port, nothing 'proprietary standard for mac users' about that.
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The serial port on the Mac was proprietary because of it's Mini-DIN connector. All printers back then had parallel ports. To find a printer that had a serial port was a task of its own. Of course there were printers, but normally they costed more than a "standard" printer with just a parallel port. That's were I see the analogy to FireWire.

That almost all new PCs have a FireWire port I can't confirm. Some do, but the cheap consumer PCs usually don't have one and also only a few Laptops sport one. For example the IBM Desktops are USB only, as well as Dell (as the biggest player on the market).

groovebuster
 
The big difference with Firewire is that it is the standard for DV connections.

That alone makes it a necessary. The other advnateages of it are just icing :)
 
Re: Re: Re: Re: pshaw

Originally posted by ph8te
Don't say that too soon, consider SCSI, 10-12 years ago, when the PC computer-boom started, only Apple delivered machines with on-board SCSI, the PC world had to buy cards to connect their scanners or connect via their serial port. And SCSI did become an industry standard and the MACs were ahead because all macs had std SCSI chips on board, so, If Apple wants to put a firewire in their machines, let them do so, yes, firewire peripherals are more expensive, but you also get higher speeds, especially in the professional market, and the Mac is after all, still a professional machine. So, wait and see and in 2 to 3 years time all the professionals will be using firewire and Apple will have scored another coup by offering firewire as a standard.
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But SCSI was always expensive and today it is only used anymore in servers. Did you check lately what a modern 36GB SCSI HD costs? It never became standard for the Joe Six-Pack in the PC world, because he just "didn't need" it and it added extra cost to his machine.

Don't get me wrong, I like FireWire a lot and use it on a daily basis, but I don't think that 2% Mac market and a few professionals who can make use of it are enough to make a difference on the long run. USB 2.0 is cheap and for 95% of the cases good enough. And that's why FireWire will remain in a niche market for professionals who are willing to spend the extra money of which reason ever. But that's not enough to keep a "standard" alive.

The only reason why a consumer would use FireWire is a MiniDV camera... for all other peripherals they will use USB. And to be true about it, I think that the market of people who actually want to edit videos on their PCs is highly overestimated. To edit a video is a lot of work and many people underestimate the hours it takes before you get your vacation video together. I know many people who tried one or two little projects and then gave it up because it is so time intense, even with tools like iMovie.

And mark my words... if USB 3.0 will have the same capabilities as FireWire and is downwards compatible with 1.0 and 2.0 all camera manufacturers will immediately switch to USB 3.0 (because of the compatibility) and abandon FireWire.

Just my 0.02 €

groovebuster
 
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: pshaw

Originally posted by groovebuster
The serial port on the Mac was proprietary because of it's Mini-DIN connector. All printers back then had parallel ports. To find a printer that had a serial port was a task of its own. Of course there were printers, but normally they costed more than a "standard" printer with just a parallel port. That's were I see the analogy to FireWire.

That almost all new PCs have a FireWire port I can't confirm. Some do, but the cheap consumer PCs usually don't have one and also only a few Laptops sport one. For example the IBM Desktops are USB only, as well as Dell (as the biggest player on the market).

groovebuster
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It seems almost all new laptop PC's have firewire, but its not a powered port, so you can't charge you iPod from it. I've not had the opportunity to use a PC iPod, does it come with one of thos itty-bitty FW cables?
 
Re: Re: enough with the music.. and praise for the music

Originally posted by paulypants
{snippage}

I am sick of all the iPod stuff too,

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iPod and iTune sales are making Apple a big pile of money, very high and very fast.

... and I too would like to see a new TV ad that does not feature only inner-city people, and only inner-city music.

Is this the iPod stereo-type? iPods are toys for inner-city people? Suburban and country folks keep out?

iPod Stereo-type: pun.:p
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JJ
 
Re: Re: Re: enough with the music.. and praise for the music

Originally posted by JJTiger1
iPod and iTune sales are making Apple a big pile of money, very high and very fast.

...
JJ
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mad:

As someone said previously, "I'm sick to death of all the IPod stuff". If Apple has given up trying to be a computer innovator, that's great, just tell us so we can move on. The original Macintosh was all about innovation. Where is that spirit. We need better computing with more power, not just the same old thing. Do the IPod if you have to, so you can make even more money, but sooner or later that fad will slow down and you will be left with computers that really aren't that different from PCs and no loyal following to buy your over priced product.
 
Re: Re: Re: Re: enough with the music.. and praise for the music

Originally posted by michaelal
you will be left with computers that really aren't that different from PCs
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In a way, this has already happened to a degree. OS X, which litters your HD with invisible files and has a love for adding three letter extensions to applications and files, may have many differences from Windows but bears a much sharper resemblance to it than did OS 9 back in the day.
 
Re: Re: Re: Re: enough with the music.. and praise for the music

Originally posted by michaelal
{snippage}

but sooner or later that fad will slow down
{snippage}
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.. yes. It's a fad.

I still have a fully functional Sony WalkMan with Plug & Play swappable tapes.

iPod would be nice on overwater flights, rather than carry that satchel of tapes. 12 hours from LAX to Taiwan has been my longest, so far.

Thankfully, China Air upgraded me to Imperial Class, from First Class...
... you get a fully reclining seat on the upper deck of their 747's, and too much food, and too much drink, and too many movies...
... the only way to fly. :D
=-=
JJ
 
Re: No PowerMacs in February?

According to the rumor site, while Apple has received PowerPC 970FX chips from IBM for "a number of weeks", PowerMac G5 upgrades are not expected during the month of February.
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Well, I could not stand the waiting any more. I ordered a dual 1.8 with the Radeon Pro 9800 gfx card this morning. Best bang for the buck, as far as I can tell.

If the PowerMac revisions come down the pipe in the next few weeks, I won't be too disappointed. If the 3Ghz models are released in the summer, I will pay the piper and trade up.

And who said Apple was obligated (or even interested) in upgrading the processors in the G5 incrementally? Why shouldn't they wait until the summer to deliver the promised revision?

I would not be surprised if the PowerMac lineup stayed the way it is for another four months or so.

The delivery on my 1.8 is 1-3 days. Doesn't sound like a product shortage to me...

- Hoky
 
Crap. No Powermacs announced today as I predicted. Therefore I will now eat my left elbow with a little KC Masterpiece, and my left buttock with Tabasco sauce...

Next update from the emergency room...

Ok, seriously. I have these checks from one of my credit cards, that gives me 1.9% APR for 5 months, which is more than enough time to pay off my G5 purchase, but this offer expires March 15th. I'm hoping G5 announcements are made before this date so I can take advantage of a low APR.
 
Originally posted by Dont Hurt Me
Dont worry they will send you more with new dates.:D
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Or, alternatively, you could start saving up AS IF you bought a PM G5 and had to make payments on it and wanted to pay more than the minimum...so that when you finally DO make the computer purchase, you'll be able to pay a substantial part of it off immediately.

I personally never carry a balance on any of my credit cards and wouldn't buy anything that would necessitate carrying a balance...but hey, different strokes for different folks.
 
Originally posted by john123
Or, alternatively, you could start saving up AS IF you bought a PM G5 and had to make payments on it and wanted to pay more than the minimum...so that when you finally DO make the computer purchase, you'll be able to pay a substantial part of it off immediately.

I personally never carry a balance on any of my credit cards and wouldn't buy anything that would necessitate carrying a balance...but hey, different strokes for different folks.
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Well the thing is that most of the "payment" will be from selling my DPG4. I don't want to sell it and be without a Powermac until the updates arrive. So I put it on a card, which gives me time to transfer all data, prefs, etc. Then I sell the G4, and use that plus whatever I find under the pillows in the couch, and I'm paid off. I've done this about 6 times :) with my new Mac purchases. It usually gets paid off in 1 or 2 months.
But I agree completely- be careful with credit card debt!
 
It's amazing to me. People are talking about updating to the next revision of G5 even though they already have great computers which could last them another year.
 
Originally posted by invaLPsion
It's amazing to me. People are talking about updating to the next revision of G5 even though they already have great computers which could last them another year.
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If you're in a business in which you really tax your processor(s), then faster machines creates the capability to take on additional clients. The cost of the computer(s) themselves can quickly pay for itself.
 
Originally posted by john123
If you're in a business in which you really tax your processor(s), then faster machines creates the capability to take on additional clients. The cost of the computer(s) themselves can quickly pay for itself.
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Or if you really, really, want to run Raven Shield, Ghost Recon, or Halo at 1600x1200 with ALL settings (including shadows) on high, and run FSAA, etc., etc., and get no less than 30fps.

No one will pay for that except yourself, but man it'd be sweet! :)
 
Originally posted by neonart
Crap. No Powermacs announced today as I predicted. Therefore I will now eat my left elbow with a little KC Masterpiece, and my left buttock with Tabasco sauce...

Next update from the emergency room...

Ok, seriously. I have these checks from one of my credit cards, that gives me 1.9% APR for 5 months, which is more than enough time to pay off my G5 purchase, but this offer expires March 15th. I'm hoping G5 announcements are made before this date so I can take advantage of a low APR.
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A lot can happen in 4 weeks... here's hoping
 
Tuesday, February 17 Next Update: 2.18

According to MacOS Rumors :

On the PowerMac update front: The outlook remains murky, but phone conversations between Toby Braun and some of our oldest Apple sources have turned up requisition orders for the new motherboards hinting at perhaps less delay than a month, but definitely more than two weeks. These figures are based on the delays we've historically seen between the first motherboard requisitions and public announcements over the past several years. Aside from an unconfirmed hint that Apple might be planning to significantly increase its standard RAM complement on its high-end PowerMac model to a cool 1GB -- double the current complement for a Dual G5 -- there isn't much else new to report. We're still digging into several interesting leads and will report back with more tomorrow.
 
Originally posted by RichardCarletta
Tuesday, February 17 Next Update: 2.18

According to MacOS Rumors :

On the PowerMac update front: The outlook remains murky, but phone conversations between Toby Braun and some of our oldest Apple sources have turned up requisition orders for the new motherboards hinting at perhaps less delay than a month, but definitely more than two weeks. These figures are based on the delays we've historically seen between the first motherboard requisitions and public announcements over the past several years. Aside from an unconfirmed hint that Apple might be planning to significantly increase its standard RAM complement on its high-end PowerMac model to a cool 1GB -- double the current complement for a Dual G5 -- there isn't much else new to report. We're still digging into several interesting leads and will report back with more tomorrow.
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Increased amount of standard RAM to 1GB would be a very welcome addition. The Dual G5 is what interests me the most.
Hopefully they can also still have a price increase. I hope that your interesting leads will have a satisfactory result.
 
Originally posted by wdlove
Increased amount of standard RAM to 1GB would be a very welcome addition. The Dual G5 is what interests me the most.
Hopefully they can also still have a price increase. I hope that your interesting leads will have a satisfactory result.
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Shipping them with 1GB of RAM would be a good move. Knowing Apple, they'll probably put 4 x 256MB sticks in it.
 
A guy at the Mac show in London in October (from Apple, I think) told me why the Apple price is so high, they buy their memory every 6 months - so I guess its a bit like futures dealing, except they can't afford to get it wrong. So I bought extra memory from Crucial.
Shame I haven't got a machine to put it into yet...
 
Originally posted by Jonnod III
A guy at the Mac show in London in October (from Apple, I think) told me why the Apple price is so high, they buy their memory every 6 months - so I guess its a bit like futures dealing, except they can't afford to get it wrong. So I bought extra memory from Crucial.
Shame I haven't got a machine to put it into yet...
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That's more stupid than me buying an LCD, speakers, and a sound card for a G5 that hasnt come out yet.
 
Originally posted by invaLPsion
That's more stupid than me buying an LCD, speakers, and a sound card for a G5 that hasnt come out yet.
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Yeah, but the memory was ordered after the G5, (well after) and arrived first by two weeks...

Apple Store tell me I should have it by Friday. We shall see. What do you want a sound card for a G5 for...?
 
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