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No Revamped Apple TV or iWatch Expected at WWDC

VeryVito said:
As a developer, I honestly could not care less about a health-spying app that comes bundled (and presumably will be as undeletable as Apple's stock, weather and passbook apps) with the iPhone. I consider such built-in apps as little more than bloatware, so I truly hope Cook & Co. don't really plan to pretend this will be of interest to the general population of developers.
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As one of 371 million diabetics, I am actually quite interested in this. I am also very physically active (partly to control diabetes) and would love a great system to track movement, etc., especially if it were paired with the iWatch to gather info like my heart rate. So, maybe not that many developers will be interested, but I think there is no shortage of customers for those developers who are interested to sell to.
 
I really expected Apple to allow a few months between the announcement and the release, like they did with the iPhone. And here it would make even more since to allow developers to write apps for it... that is unless the watch won't have third party apps at launch.
 
So what exactly will fill up the keynote at WWDC? I'm hoping this is a misinformation campaign by Apple but my head tells me this is coming from Apple to downplay expectations. Still trying to figure out why Cook thinks its a good idea to announce all new hardware in September and October.
 
I still bet there will be at least one updated or new hardware item. Maybe an AppleTV sized solid state Mac-mini?
 
Rettun1 said:
I really expected Apple to allow a few months between the announcement and the release, like they did with the iPhone. And here it would make even more since to allow developers to write apps for it... that is unless the watch won't have third party apps at launch.
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Or Apple's not working on a watch. Or whatever they're working on is like nothing we think and won't be ready in 2014.
 
zedsdead said:
I was hoping to see the Apple TV software release so developers would be able to get on board for a fall release, but that's out the door.

Wasn't expecting the iWatch at all. Showing off the Healthbook app would be odd with no companion device, not sure how that would work.

WWDC predicitons:

(1) iMac: Spec update and dropped prices, similar to recent Macbook Air update

(2) Mac Mini: Redesign, thinner and smaller, possibly flash storage

(3) OSX: 10.10 preview, focused on visual redesign (some main feature will be crippled), Siri, Game Center dropped, the focus is largely on iOS integration and consistently across various devices (think Back to the Mac Event).

(4) iOS8: Preview, Textedit, Maps (transit may get shown off, not coming immediately), Tips, Siri gains Shazam, Healthbook (without iWatch...still weird)...sadly probably no quick reply or fixed music app which was gutted with iOS7, and still a static home screen with just icons

(5) iCloud: Preview, textedit, possible iDisk replacement but I doubt it

* Don't expect much more than this. Apple is on a "Fall Only" release schedule for the foreseeable future.

* Aperture update please?
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Mac Mini cant be smaller and thinner if they dont go full flash storage !
But i hope they update Apple Tv with touch panels remote :) like in the concept picture
 
HobeSoundDarryl said:
This keeps coming up. Just like when Apple sold 8GB or now 16GB iPhones, :apple:TV runs just one app at a time. Just as it can stream one movie to show on screen from maybe hundreds stored on a hard drive elsewhere in the house, it could store hundreds of apps on a hard drive elsewhere in the house and stream the one someone wants to run at that moment.
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I have held off on getting an Apple TV (I have TiVo and cable so it would be redundant in it's current form) because I know that some day their will be an app store and it is unclear to me if they will release a new device when that happens. If they announce an SDK next month and no new hardware I'll finally grab one. I really hope that they give a little more guidance here. I know that keeping releases secret keeps people from holding off on making a purchase in anticipation of the new products, but it also makes people wary of making a purchase when they think they could get screwed a week later.
 
Wait, people were expecting that at WWDC? :confused:

I can't believe people expected a new product category (iWatch) to not have its own event...
 
If there's no hardware I'll be satisfied because OS X is the main announcement. Glad it's not going to be second priority to a iOS yet again.
 
So you are telling me that Apple continues to lag behind. Got it.

I have been waiting 2+ years to buy a new AppleTV and am more or less done with the wait. Apple needs to roll out something with 4K streaming quick.

Isn't it nice to lead from behind???
 
I don't know what the point of showing Healthbook is if there's no iWatch... are people expected to manually enter their vital signs into it? No one will do that. Makes sense to put it in 8.1 (released alongside iWatch in the fall).
 
Still crossing my fingers for the iPhone. I think it's more likely for a June announcement this year than any other given the volume of leaks and lack of other expected hardware announcements. Of course, still a longshot.
 
11thIndian said:
Except that isn't free space- A long 1080p movie could require 5GB or more for video caching.
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Right but again, a whole iOS app at the max is what, maybe 2GB max? Most are much smaller than that.

I've converted some Blu Rays that are about 25GB files. The 8GB storage in the :apple:TV has no problem running that 25GB streamed movie. It doesn't run out of storage when it gets toward 8GB. It just streams over what it needs when it needs it.

The point was that it could stream over a whole app of 2GB to local storage and then run it just like that app stored in the 16GB, 32GB, 64GB or 128GB of another iDevice now. In both cases, that 2GB app runs the same. Or, if you cut your own iDevice from- say- 128GB to 16GB, would a bunch of apps not run anymore? No- you just couldn't store them locally anymore. All the ones that could fit in the 16GB would run just fine. And you could sync others as desired into that 16GB. But even there, if the biggest app available is indeed- say- 2GB, a hypothetical 4GB iPhone could store and run that one app just the same as an iPhone with 64GB or 128GB. For the one app running right now, it only needs enough local storage to run that ONE app.

The other iDevices need bigger onboard storage because they are MOBILE (not always tethered). This little box is different in that way. It's always attached to HUGE storage elsewhere in the house.

Only if RAM in the existing :apple:TV is too much below the ram in current iDevices might there be a problem running some apps that assume more RAM.

Again, imagine separating the- say- 64GB of storage from any iDevice so that it is outside of that iDevice (as a second box). Tether them together with a wire so that the iDevice has full access to that 64GB just like it's internal to the device. Run an app. It would be the same. Actually, in this scenario, :apple:TV would be the iOS device with theoretically unlimited storage (whatever you could possibly attach to the computer elsewhere in the house) and the 8GB on board would just be like a local buffer to which to stream the desired app you want to run right now so that it would be just as accessible as if it was stored in 16GB or 64GB or 128GB.
 
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drewyboy said:
This is the thing that honestly has frustrated me the most with Apple over the last few years. People say they release products "when they are ready". I say bull crap. Some magical way they ALL happen to be ready during a 2 month period in the fall.
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One of Apple's core principles was "get something into the marketplace, and iteratively improve". Seems to have gotten left behind.
 
It was really only a rumour that Apple would showcase new hardware at WWDC, realistically we're all just speculating because Apple has shown very little thus far this year aside from a new processor in MBAs.
 
Nunyabinez said:
I have held off on getting an Apple TV (I have TiVo and cable so it would be redundant in it's current form) because I know that some day their will be an app store and it is unclear to me if they will release a new device when that happens. If they announce an SDK next month and no new hardware I'll finally grab one. I really hope that they give a little more guidance here. I know that keeping releases secret keeps people from holding off on making a purchase in anticipation of the new products, but it also makes people wary of making a purchase when they think they could get screwed a week later.
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I hear you. 2 things though: 1) It's a GREAT device for only $100 ($85 in the refurb store) and 2) resale tends to be about what you pay for it.

If you want one, buy it and enjoy it. If they launch new hardware next month or next year, you're probably out maybe $20 on a "bargain" resale to someone else. $20/1 month = $20 "loss" (though you enjoyed it starting today rather than not enjoying it). $20/12 = $1.67 to "rent" the usage of it until the new one arrives next year. Point: it's really cheap and really great and sells for about as much as you pay for it. Get it and enjoy it now.
 
I don't necessarily believe this, unless we also conclude that Apple is not releasing new hardware this year which will open up a new app platform. Developers will need time to 1) learn the new APIs for the alleged iWatch and Apple TV, and 2) a headstart from Apple saying, "hey we're releasing this in a few months, get your apps ready".

So unless Apple is not going to open up the iWatch and the new Apple TV to 3rd-party apps (which I HIGHLY doubt), then this news doesn't sit right with me. They may not reveal actual hardware, but they'd at least reveal the developer APIs for them, which usually reveal strong hints about the hardware's feature set.
 
Risco said:
WWDC was always meant to about software, not hardware. Nothing surprising here.
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Usually it is, but they have released or announced Power Macs, Mac Pros, MacBooks, iPods, and iPhones at WWDC so I wouldn't be surprised whatever they do this year.
 
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