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While its true that in previous generations, iPod touches had inferior displays to corresponding iPhones, this year, Apple said that the new iPod touch has the same screen as the iPhone 5.

They always say that. When they introduced the 4th Gen iPod Touch, they said "Same retina display like the iPhone 4." It was the same smoke and mirrors Apple always uses. When the actual product hit, people did side by side comparisons and discovered the truth.
 
Worse cameras, no cellular radios. A5 Processor. (Faster A6 in iPhone.) Probably only has 512 MB of RAM. (iP5 has 1GB). Also... historically while iPod touch has a retina display, it is still inferior. Check this article:

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Also... my "miniaturization" argument is iPhone vs. iPad. So they miniaturized the iPod touch too? They also charged a premium for it too. No $199 entry level model. $299 to get into it.

I'm not going to try discussing this any further. You seem intent upon applying a double standard, miniaturization for the iPhone (twice the cost of the iPod) but not the iPod Touch.

And I believe they said that the new Toich will use the same display as the 5. So for double the money you get a spec bump (cameras and chip) and radios, but half the storage.
 
Worse cameras, no cellular radios. A5 Processor. (Faster A6 in iPhone.) Probably only has 512 MB of RAM. (iP5 has 1GB). Also... historically while iPod touch has a retina display, it is still inferior.

I still think the iPod Touch has no reflection on the iPad Mini... Yes, there will be some cannibalization of the iPod Touch. But the iPod Touch did that to the iPod Classic, so did the iPod Nano.

The MacBook Air does that to the MBP. The 11" MBA does it to the 13" MBA. The key is that, in the end... The customer is choosing an Apple product over a competitor product.

Therefore, if the iPad Mini is within $50 of the Kindle Fire. Apple will most likely gain a huge chunk of the 7" market. The currently own over 50% (dont wanna look up the actual number) of the 9-10" market... and there are plenty of lower priced options out there.

If it were me:

$249 - 8 GB Wifi Only
$299 - 16 GB Wifi Only
$399 - 32 GB Wifi Only
$499 - 64 GB Wifi Only (optional)

$479 - 16 GB Wifi, LTE, GPS, Retina
$579 - 32 GB Wifi, LTE, GPS, Retina
$679 - 64 GB Wifi, LTE, GPS, Retina (optional)

If retina wasn't possible, then drop to $429, $529, and $629 respectfully.
 
I'm not going to try discussing this any further. You seem intent upon applying a double standard, miniaturization for the iPhone (twice the cost of the iPod) but not the iPod Touch.

And I believe they said that the new Toich will use the same display as the 5. So for double the money you get a spec bump (cameras and chip) and radios, but half the storage.

No double standard here. I explained the iPod Touch. Apple likely found it difficult to profit (at least profit as well as they usually earn) on an iPod Touch 5th Gen at $199. So it starts at $299. Sure you get 32GB, but we all know that Apple rapes us on flash memory storage. So yes... the COST WENT UP! Even then... I will make the argument that the effort of making the iPod thinner is no where near the feat of making the iPhone thinner. It HAS TO pack the same or better battery life and LTE radios.

You seem intent on ignoring the cellular connectivity, difference in processor, RAM and historically better screen on the iPhone... (which I am willing to bet will apply this time as well).

And now you say you are done with this discussion... LOL @ you!
 
The iPad 2 is already only $399. That price was also set back in March, so I think you could argue now that Apple is probably making a healthy profit on the iPad 2 at that price point.

All indications so far are that the iPad Mini in its first incarnation will be basically a slightly smaller iPad 2.

- Smaller screen, but not high density. Should cost less than iPad 2 display.
- Smaller aluminum case. Should cost less than iPad 2 case.
- Smaller glass and digitizer. Should cost less than iPad 2 glass/digitizer.
- Smaller battery required because of smaller display. Should cost less than iPad 2 battery.
- Cameras and logic board will most likely be about equal to the iPad 2 equivalents.

So why are some people predicting that the iPad Mini will be the same or almost the same price as the iPad 2? My prediction is a $299 entry price.
 
I understand the logic, but respectfully disagree. These are different product lines. One fits in your pocket, the other one doesn't. As others have mentioned, more work is required to get essentially the same components to fit in a smaller space. One has a retina display (the iPod) the other won't (the iPad Mini). It's comparing apples and oranges, and there's just as much reason to believe that Apple will low-ball the price to compete with the Kindle Fire.

Many disagree with me (which I understand, it's just my personal opinion), but I believe Apple will price the entry-level iPad Mini at $199 for a simple reason - they want to compete with the sub-$200 Kindle Fire and draw new customers into their ecosystem. They can sell models with increased storage and LTE support for $300-$600 and bank on those for a higher profit margin, but the $199 model (again, my personal opinion) would be geared towards introducing new customers into the Apple community with a lower profit margin.

For those new customers, the iPad Mini might be their only Apple product. They may own an Android phone and a Windows PC. But Apple is hoping that once they get their hands on an iPad and start buying apps, music, and books through iTunes and the App Store, that their next phone will be an iPhone, and maybe their next computer will be a Mac.

Amazon uses this same logic with the pricing of their Kindles. They don't make bank on the tablets, they make bank on the content. Apple doesn't have to do this across the board with their products, but it would be smart to do it at the entry level to draw in new users.

My 2 bits.

Again with the "Amazon does it" argument. Amazon makes money on content and Amazon Prime subscriptions. Apple breaks even on content; they provide it as a feature for their customers. So what works financially for Amazon doesn't necessarily work for Apple.

I've already responded to your other theory, people waiting for a $199 device aren't about to jump into Apple's ecosystem as a result. There are plenty of potential customers among the ranks of iPhone and iPad buyers already. Apple sold 156 million iOS devices in 2011 (and computer sales amounted to less than 10% of that amount).

Apple doesn't do "loss-leaders."
 
They always say that. When they introduced the 4th Gen iPod Touch, they said "Same retina display like the iPhone 4." It was the same smoke and mirrors Apple always uses. When the actual product hit, people did side by side comparisons and discovered the truth.

Yes, they said they both had retina display, but if you read the tech spec pages, it was clear that the 4th gen touch had a different display from the corresponding iPhone. I didn't have to wait for the side-by-side comparisons to know they would be different. This year, the tech descriptions for the iPhone and the touch say exactly the same thing.
 
So why are some people predicting that the iPad Mini will be the same or almost the same price as the iPad 2? My prediction is a $299 entry price.

Because Apple has more significant concerns than "lowest price imaginable." They don't want to cannibalize sales of the iPad, which is a significant cash cow. Give people an iPad experience for half the current price and you'll see lots of potential purchasers go for the lower-priced option. Apple's purpose is to build sales.
 
Yes, they said they both had retina display, but if you read the tech spec pages, it was clear that the 4th gen touch had a different display from the corresponding iPhone. I didn't have to wait for the side-by-side comparisons to know they would be different. This year, the tech descriptions for the iPhone and the touch say exactly the same thing.

Really?
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I agree 100%, but whats the point then? I feel like most people would just pay the extra $100 and get a full size iPad
 
people shopping for an ipod touch probably won't be cross-shopping that with an ipad mini. some people with $299 to spend will probably buy one device, and some people will probably buy the other.

further, apple's pricing on their product lines don't always make sense. the iphone 5 starts at $199, $100 cheaper than the new ipod touch. does that make a lot of sense? sure, the pricing is subsidized but even the unsubsidized iphone 5 is even more expensive than the much bigger ipad with cellular. does that make sense? and the answer is yes, because people looking to buy a phone are not interested in the tablet, and vice versa.

Exactly. Everybody gets their knickers in a twist trying to pick a price point that falls somewhere between an iPod touch and an iPad, based on the logic that tablet device prices must be aligned with screen size and screen size alone. I disagree.
iPad mini's prices can overlap with both the iPod touch and the new iPad (retina), just as the iPad mini's capabilities and uses will overlap both devices. For all we know it could be retina and start at $479 for a 16GB wi-fi. People will still buy it because the new iPad (iPad 3) is too big for them.
 
Really?
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Like I said, exactly the same, except that last line nonsense about multiple language support, which I don't know what they are getting at -- iOS devices have always had multiple language/character support, going all the way back to the original iPhone and first gen touch.
 
Because Apple has more significant concerns than "lowest price imaginable." They don't want to cannibalize sales of the iPad, which is a significant cash cow. Give people an iPad experience for half the current price and you'll see lots of potential purchasers go for the lower-priced option. Apple's purpose is to build sales.

$299 is hardly the "lowest price imaginable", nor is it "half the current price".

If Apple is targeting the same people that Amazon and Google are targeting with their $199 products, $299 seems reasonable.

I also think that the Mini will always lag behind the flagship iPad, just like the iPod touch seems to always lag behind the iPhone.

There's already an iPad at $399. Swapping that out for a different iPad doesn't do much to expand the market. Apple wants to go after people who are currently not buying iPads.
 
This would be a perfect device to offer with carrier subsidies. $50 more than comparibale iPhones, just data only. With shared data plans these would bring a lot of new data customers to the table.
 
Since apple is ordering 10 million for the holidays it will probably be around $250 since they think is going to sell out fast
 
I think it will be 100 less across the board vs. the full sized iPad.

That product already exists. It's called the iPad 2.

Why introduce a new iPad line that doesn't expand the price range? People who want to save $100 off the price of a new iPad already have something to buy.
 
If Apple is targeting the same people that Amazon and Google are targeting with their $199 products, $299 seems reasonable.

At $299 for an iPad, how many people would really buy the iPod touch? Not many... It has to be priced over that, at which point the iPad is already DOA. Lets say the new iPad is $350. At the price point you know it will have **** components like the old A5, while the Nexus 7 and Kindle Fire HD have newer components and start at $200. If the iPad mini was $400, you could buy both the Nexus 7 and Kindle Fire for the same price, meaning there would really be no reason to go Apple. Before, I will admit any Android tablet was quite inferior to the iPad, but not anymore. The iPad mini will be a failure...
 
That product already exists. It's called the iPad 2.

Why introduce a new iPad line that doesn't expand the price range? People who want to save $100 off the price of a new iPad already have something to buy.

the product does not exist- yet.
It's smaller than the current Gen, and my bet is on 100 less than iPad 3. has nothing to do with a past gen product.

Look at the difference in price for a 11" MBA and a 13" MBA- Not much.
 
Have to keep in mind the other manufactures, and their $199 price tag, and if Apple wants to be in competition with them, the price of a 16 GB WiFi only will have to be near the $299 mark. An 8 GB WiFi only Mini iPad should be priced at $249.00 max. Don't think Apple will have a 32 GB iPad Mini. Just a guess, but Googles Nexus 7 Tablet tops off at 16 GB. A 4G model with 16 GB should be around $399.00. No 4G model for the 8 GB version.

Give it a week and a half and we should all know, and see who came the closest. ;)
 
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