He was talking about cannibalization of the iPod touch by the iPad Mini, not of the fullsized iPad by the iPad Mini.
Got a tip for us?
Let us know
Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.
No way in hell iPad Mini will be $250. Not Even $299. Try $350 or higher...
- Thread starter Agent OrangeZ
- Start date
- Sort by reaction score
He was talking about cannibalization of the iPod touch by the iPad Mini, not of the fullsized iPad by the iPad Mini.
I completely agree that there's no cannibalization with respect to those two devices, however there's a great perception of added value to the iPad and Apple will not price the same as the iPod Touch. It would be idiotic.
Why? I don't see anything idiotic in this:
iPad mini at 299$
*non retina 7"
*8GB
*facetime camera + maybe 3mpix rear iSight camera
iPod touch at 299$
*retina
*32GB
*facetime + rear 5mpix iSight camera
Same prices, totally different devices. It can be done.
I question that, but at this point we can only GUESS
I would like a DONUT. Would anyone ELSE?
I doubt they care about cannibilization of iPods. Give up some sales on the shrinking product market for one that has untold potential. Plus, as long as they're the ones taking away from their own products, they're happy. That's what Cook said.
would be hilarious if they release the mini with only 8GB (~6.5GB usable)...virtually useless.
^ THAT
8GB is a joke b/c as you said, ~6GB will be usable.
hell i have 5.8GB in apps alone on my iPad
Many of us are extremely happy with the Nexus 7 with 8GB. Hundreds of thousands of people... It's far from "useless".
If you want 6GB of apps, then you are to odd man out and should look for a different device.
And we will be all the same sized people with the same green outfits and nobody will be any different from anyone else. We might as well be one in that world.
Variety is the spice of life.
This iPad, if it is in within keeping of Apple's core values and product lines, will be a premium product, with a premium price tag. It will sell at least one if it is that, to me.
Unless you don't think it's idiotic to release a product in a market that is price sensitive with inferior specs. Personally, I think it's hugely idiotic to release a product with inferior features at a more expensive price than the competition, but I'm sure journalists and the general public would disagree with me entirely. [/OFF SARCASM]
Last edited:
i never said useless, i said it was a joke which it is. getting a $200 nexus with 8GB is more acceptable than a $299+ iPad with 8GB.
i am not the "odd man" out, as you are accusing me of being. games on the iPad are monstrous in size. Metal Storm, the game i play the most, is 900MB. look at how popular that game is. and that's relatively small compared to other graphics intensive games. that's the reason Apple made 16GB the base model standard for the iPad, and not 8GB like they did with the iPhone 4.
what makes you think that a smaller device warrants half of the storage? do you think that b/c the screen is smaller that all apps are half the size?
the cost savings for Apple going from 16GB to 8GB is negligible which is why the profit margins are 5%-10% higher on the 32GB (+$100) and 64GB (+$200) iPad models compared to the base 16GB modelthe only way 8GB would work is if wireless carriers stop rationing finite data consumption, since we have swung in the completely opposite direction with LTE don't expect to see 8GB in the iPad Mini. if i am wrong, i'll give you a cookie
The person who you quoted and agreed with did.
No, it's not. It's plenty of space for many people.
No, it's not. The last thing you pay for when buying an Apple product is memory. Seriously, you need to step back and put some thought into this.
Yes, you are. If you weren't, 8GB devices wouldn't be so popular.
I NEVER said that it did. I am only refuting your silly assertions.
exactly! This is different than the iPod/iPhone/iPad in that Apple is trying to fill a market need - not create a market. The Nexus 7 is a REALLY good tablet. The Kindle is getting better and Samsung has something good as well.
An 8/16 gig 7 inch tablet has proven itself as a good media consumption price at a decent price. If Apple wants to compete in this space, they will create a (clutch the pearls Apple fans) device built to fit a price point for the $300 shopper.
These shoppers (and I'd include myself in this list) don't care as much about killer specs than price point and portability. There is a sweet spot at $299 that appeals to a very big consumer market - whether it be an additional device or an entry level tablet.
Providing a good product, while leaving 'just a bit more' to entice you into a future upgrade is how you sell 10 million of these things in the 4th quarter. This will be THE holiday gift - but only if it comes in the right price point.
I'm buying at least two 7 inch tablets this holiday season. I'd love for them to be Apple. But if they come in at $350+, I'm all over the Nexus.
wow kid, can you really not read? i just stated it out for you - i said it would be a joke if Apple releases an iPad Mini 8GB.
many isn't relative, refers nothing to the total number of customers. so you saying "many" is worthless to the discussion unless you can actually back it up with whatever number you claim to be referring to
i agree with your statement about apple when it's referring to memory as in RAM, not flash storage. this discussion is regarding storage, NOT RAM. sheesh
the 8GB tablet was popular because Amazon was able to sell one for $199 which was unheard of back in 2011 when the average tablet was selling for over $350 making it unreachable for many. Amazon also gave you unlimited cloud storage/access for all Amazon-purchased content. again, unheard of being free before that.
the only thing silly here is you. you are defending 8GB of storage on a brand new 2012 iOS device (iPad Mini) for $299. are you that brainwashed to fail to see how silly that is?
out of the kindness of my heart, if you are right and Apple releases an iPad Mini with 8GB of storage for $299, i will give you a cookie. if it's sold for any less, then the deal is off
Last edited:
A lot of the $199/8GB crowd are assuming that Apple will cut their profit margins on the new iPad mini in order to compete head-to-head with Amazon, Samsung etc.
Has Apple ever done that before? I don't think so. I can see the marketing spin now: 'Apple defined the tablet market, and now brings you an iPad that is going to define a whole new way of interacting with your device. It's the most versatile Apple tablet ever!'
Realistically, how much cheaper is an ~8" retina display over a ~10" retina display? $50? So if we're to see an 8" retina iPad mini then I don't see it starting less than $449, or non-retina less than $349. And yes I have probably just contradicted myself in another post.
Apple has never cut prices to the bone to compete, even when they were on the ropes in the late 90's.
Has Apple ever done that before? I don't think so. I can see the marketing spin now: 'Apple defined the tablet market, and now brings you an iPad that is going to define a whole new way of interacting with your device. It's the most versatile Apple tablet ever!'
Realistically, how much cheaper is an ~8" retina display over a ~10" retina display? $50? So if we're to see an 8" retina iPad mini then I don't see it starting less than $449, or non-retina less than $349. And yes I have probably just contradicted myself in another post
.Apple has never cut prices to the bone to compete, even when they were on the ropes in the late 90's.
Apple had 80 percent of the tablet market. Now a flood of Android things has half the market. The only reason to do a 7 inch tablet is price. Apple won't cheapen its flagship tablet but they will probably price their 7 inch version aggressively. What's aggressively? Within $99 of the competition: The real competition.
The real competition in this space is Kindle Fire which alone accounts for 25 percent of tablet sales or as much as the rest of Android combined. So regardless of the sales of iPods, which Apple could really care less about except they keep them around as the gateway drug to iPhones and iPads, I predict the iPad mini will be "very close" in price to the Kindle Fire. I also predict Apple will keep the iPad 2 in the lineup. It will remain priced at $399. So Apple will have a tablet lineup ranging from an entry level price of $299 to $499 for the latest full-featured model. They have a 3 tier price structure for iPhone. Free for the 2 year old model, $99 for the 1 year old model WITH 16 GB of RAM and $199 for the latest model.
The real competition in this space is Kindle Fire which alone accounts for 25 percent of tablet sales or as much as the rest of Android combined. So regardless of the sales of iPods, which Apple could really care less about except they keep them around as the gateway drug to iPhones and iPads, I predict the iPad mini will be "very close" in price to the Kindle Fire. I also predict Apple will keep the iPad 2 in the lineup. It will remain priced at $399. So Apple will have a tablet lineup ranging from an entry level price of $299 to $499 for the latest full-featured model. They have a 3 tier price structure for iPhone. Free for the 2 year old model, $99 for the 1 year old model WITH 16 GB of RAM and $199 for the latest model.
With reference to your question why "anyone would buy the touch these days?".
I have quite a few friends with children of the age where they are desirous of the iPhone, but are considered too young for the phone by their parents.
They get given the touch to use as a toy for gaming, internet surfing and music etc, until they are old enough to "graduate" to a phone, at the age determined by the parents.