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Ehh, for me, it's a moot point. I have no choice. I live in a small town of about 8k. Tell me - should I need salmon - where do I go? Not having a fish market, the answer is Walmart. An HDMI cable? Walmart. None of the mom-and-pop shops can provide what a giant like Walmart can.

The only reason I think some people are so negative is because they have a choice among bigbox supercenters. But if you were in my situation, it'd be different from your view.
 
Agreed, once they squeeze out your only other choices you a doomed to play the game their way.

But, for now, I go elsewhere. ALWAYS.

As an aside, it is always an revelation to me when I discover Union employees flocking there in droves. What's up with that??
 
And people are scratching their head wondering why they even let him back out.
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Yikes. :eek: I drove 120 through part of Arkansas two summers ago. Glad they didn't catch me at that speed. I was pulled of at 90 and given a ticket, though.

Back on topic......Walmart sucks! This is just another reason justifying that.
 
Woohoo! What other threads from 2005 can we pull up again? ;) Maybe we can talk about the rumor that Apple's about to dump PPC and switch to Intel?
 
Mod Note: The Below Story has it's own dedicated thread here

While we're talking about Wal-mart and it's evilness:

Brain-damaged woman at center of Wal-Mart suit

Debbie Shank breaks down in tears every time she's told that her 18-year-old son, Jeremy, was killed in Iraq.

The 52-year-old mother of three attended her son's funeral, but she continues to ask how he's doing. When her family reminds her that he's dead, she weeps as if hearing the news for the first time.

Shank suffered severe brain damage after a traffic accident nearly eight years ago that robbed her of much of her short-term memory and left her in a wheelchair and living in a nursing home.

It was the beginning of a series of battles -- both personal and legal -- that loomed for Shank and her family. One of their biggest was with Wal-Mart's health plan.

Eight years ago, Shank was stocking shelves for the retail giant and signed up for Wal-Mart's health and benefits plan.

Two years after the accident, Shank and her husband, Jim, were awarded about $1 million in a lawsuit against the trucking company involved in the crash. After legal fees were paid, $417,000 was placed in a trust to pay for Debbie Shank's long-term care.

Wal-Mart had paid out about $470,000 for Shank's medical expenses and later sued for the same amount. However, the court ruled it can only recoup what is left in the family's trust.

The Shanks didn't notice in the fine print of Wal-Mart's health plan policy that the company has the right to recoup medical expenses if an employee collects damages in a lawsuit.
Classy.
 
Gonna line up on Walmart's side on this one.

We have people bounce cheques on us, try to give us bad charge card numbers, return goods that they broke themselves, claim for warranty replacement on a 512 Mb module but send in a 128 Mb, challenge the charge card billing on purchases they made and received, hoping to get them free etc. Fortuntely, 99.95% of customers are honest.

The other 0.05% clearly post on Macrumors, judging from some of the threads I have read here à la "ZOMG my cat dented my Macbook Pro, can I get a free replacement from Apple?".
 
The other 0.05% clearly post on Macrumors, judging from some of the threads I have read here à la "ZOMG my cat dented my Macbook Pro, can I get a free replacement from Apple?".

That's somewhat unfair.

More likely the other .05% are just children, who are picking-up on the latest craze of not ever being held responsible for anything.
 
Another pointed example.....

The differences being that Apple pays a living wage and doesn't attempt to stronghand cities into allowing them to build wherever they choose, dominating culture and countryside. This just happened yesterday in my town.

Also, a big problem with Wal-Mart IS their scale. Is it fair that we don't hold Apple to the same standard of business ethics as Wal-Mart simply because Apple isn't as big? Maybe not, but then again, Apple isn't as big. Wal-Mart has far-reaching influence into almost every aspect of retail business in the United States--from food to phones, music and dvds to clothes. Everything. Because Wal-Mart simply volumes so much business, they can force the companies who manufacture everything sold at Wal-Mart to lower their wholesale prices so Wal-Mart can maximize profit and "lower" their prices on the consumer level. This appears to benefit the consumer, but actually depresses the economy by decreasing the amount of jobs available to the middle-class because so many other companies in the economy are forced to cut costs any way possible to stay on Wal-Mart's shelves. But hey, at least Cheerios are 9 cents cheaper.

We are not a society obsessed with moral justice, nor are all immoral acts the same. There is no way to know whether or not Apple would attempt to bribe my city into selling its public land to make way for a Super Apple Store, but we know that Wal-Mart does do this.

I have never heard of an Apple Store closing other businesses when they open a store, has anyone?

Also Wal-Mart bullies its vendors. An example of this is that a few years ago, a 100 year old underwear company in NY decided to be a vendor for Wal-Mart thinking, "Hey this is the largest retailer, I could expand my customer base." First few years went great, profits were up etc. They decided to stay with Wal=Mart but wanted an increase to be paid for their products. Wal-Mart came back to them and told them they wanted them to DECREASE the product cost. Within a year, this 100 year old company went OUT OF BUSINESS!!!!
 
A lot of small towns around my area have a wal-mart, and nothing else so they really have no choice. Myself, I go to H-E-B Plus! Stores, a much better company.
 
I have never heard of an Apple Store closing other businesses when they open a store, has anyone?

I know that smaller-time Mac retail stores definitely had things to say about how Apple seemed to favour their own retail stores. Stories about how the latest PowerMac was never quite available to ship to them, but Apple stores always had plenty. Or how, in the days of fruit-flavoured iMacs, retailers were required to buy them in sets (one of each color) even when particular colors clearly outsold other ones.
 
I have never heard of an Apple Store closing other businesses when they open a store, has anyone?

You'd be very surprised.

Also Wal-Mart bullies its vendors. An example of this is that a few years ago, a 100 year old underwear company in NY decided to be a vendor for Wal-Mart thinking, "Hey this is the largest retailer, I could expand my customer base." First few years went great, profits were up etc. They decided to stay with Wal=Mart but wanted an increase to be paid for their products. Wal-Mart came back to them and told them they wanted them to DECREASE the product cost. Within a year, this 100 year old company went OUT OF BUSINESS!!!!

Then that company had a problem, and that problem was being hooked on volume, just like a drug. You'd have to be a very unaware business man, much less CEO to not understand the way Wal-Mart runs things. Wal-Mart is always looking for ways to lower the price with the manufacturer. When they lower prices, they give half back to the manufacturer and half back to the customers.

Although many products are expected to be lower, Wal-Mart doesn't always ask a manufacturer to lower a price on their product. I know of companies that have great success with Wal-Mart and I know of companies that have decided that it was in their best interest to end their business with Wal-Mart.

No one forced that company to launch with Wal-Mart.

jon
 
As an aside, it is always an revelation to me when I discover Union employees flocking there in droves. What's up with that??

I don't get that either. I work for the US Postal Service, and hear my co-workers talking about going to Wal-Mart, telling each other they got a certain item really cheap at Wal-Mart, buying food from Wal-Mart for potluck days.

I know our union tries to dissuade it's members from shopping there, but they still go. I don't understand it.
 
I don't have a problem with Wal-Mart as a free-market competitor. I have a problem with the way in treats people, both as an employer and in the community.

My neighborhood has been here more than 35 YEARS! Wally World moves in across the street and there's 24/7 noise, traffic, and lights. Street sweepers at 2:00 a.m. The manager says, "It's a 24 hour operation." NEWS BULLETIN: My HOME is a 24 hour operation, and that includes SLEEPING overnight!

I ALSO don't want to hear car alarms going off all day!!! Run your store 24/7, but keep your noise, lights, and traffic on YOUR property!

If I blared loud music at 2:00 a.m., they would have me arrested! But the corrupt City of Hurricane, WV, only cares about Wally World's money! They are screwing the citizens!
 
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My neighborhood has been here more than 35 YEARS! Wally World moves in across the street and there's 24/7 noise, traffic, and lights. Street sweepers at 2:00 a.m. The manager says, "It's a 24 hour operation." NEWS BULLETIN: My HOME is a 24 hour operation, and that includes SLEEPING overnight!

I ALSO don't want to hear car alarms going off all day!!! Run your store 24/7, but keep your noise, lights, and traffic on YOUR property!

If I blared loud music at 2:00 a.m., they would have me arrested! But the corrupt City of Hurricane, WV, only cares about Wally World's money! They are screwing the citizens!

You could say that about EVERY big company. Not just Wal-Mart.

Over here in the UK, if you set up and ASDA (UK Wal-Mart) in the middle of a housing area, the same thing will happen.

But it will also happen with a Tescos, Sainsburys, Waitrose, etc. etc.

We can't blame Wal-Mart for that. We can only blame people who don't want to buy expensive food (and the likes).
 
Huh??? I'm sure you were being facetious. "SAM'S CLUB (www.samsclub.com), a division of Wal-Mart Stores, Inc., is the nation's largest warehouse chain in the United States serving small business owners and operators. The purchasing agent of choice, SAM'S CLUB provides every day low cost to more than 46 million entrepreneurs and consumers."
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Yeahh, obviously he's being facetious. What does the eye-rolling tell you?
 
Ah, yes, you MUST blame Wal-Mart.... When it allows street-sweepers on its parking lot at 2:00 a.m. And when it allows employees to drive LOUD vehicles on its lot at 2:00 a.m. And when it allows delivery people to arrive before sunrise...

Ultimately Wal-Mart IS responsible for what happens on its property. And its neighbors have a right to peace and quiet in their homes and yards.
 
I don't get that either. I work for the US Postal Service, and hear my co-workers talking about going to Wal-Mart, telling each other they got a certain item really cheap at Wal-Mart, buying food from Wal-Mart for potluck days.

I know our union tries to dissuade it's members from shopping there, but they still go. I don't understand it.

Your dollar goes further at Wal-Mart, sort of sucks but it is true if you don't mind the quality of food and products at Wal-Mart.

Though even the other discount food stores we have here union members are told not to shop at. But they are bi-lingual at those stores, with ads coming out in both spanish and english.

Great if you can afford to skip Wal-mart or other low-price discount grocery stores.

Can't expect to go to Wal-Mart and get Trader Joe quality, though some of the produce was nicer at the big superstore than the typical chains before we moved.

A lot better than some of the other grocery stores in the old area (was even a nice upscale city), and the new mini Wal-Mart grocery store nearby in this new city is rather nice -- though i haven't run through the produce section here. Just a run to their pharmacy for OTC cold meds.
 
A lot better than some of the other grocery stores in the old area (was even a nice upscale city), and the new mini Wal-Mart grocery store nearby in this new city is rather nice -- though i haven't run through the produce section here. Just a run to their pharmacy for OTC cold meds.

I use the Neighborhood Markets all the time, although Wal-Mart doesn't focus on them the most. They simply have the essentials and it's easy to get in and out.

jon
 
Just gotta chime in here and say that Costco is pretty much the polar opposite of Wal-Mart. Costco works by being a better business operation, not by exploiting its employees, strong arming its venders, and/or undercutting it's competition until they are forced to close their doors.

A lot of small towns around my area have a wal-mart, and nothing else so they really have no choice. Myself, I go to H-E-B Plus! Stores, a much better company.
Before Wal-Mart they probably had other things. Which is one of the main digs against Wal-Mart.


Lethal
 
Hey, there's nothing wrong with Wal Mart, Sam's or Costco -- they fill a need in the market. The problem is that us cheap-a**ed American consumers keep going there and giving them every last dollar so we can fill our homes with more useless crap.

It still blows my mind how people flock to these places, knowing that their dominance in most communities is ruining local economies and stripping towns across the country of their local flair and color.

So you blame American's for what Wal-Mart is doing? Wal-Mart uses strong-armed tactics on getting the lowest price from the manufacturers even if it involves slave-wages for 3rd world people to GET their prices so low that the average struggling American can AFFORD a few things? They crush even a hint of unionizing, "rape" their female employees, etc. etc.
I'll admit we SEEM to fill our houses up with crap (broad-brushing?), but we don't fill them because Americans are "cheap-ass". On the contrary, I'd be willing to bet WM is taking advantage of the business/economic situation... because they can.
And we let them.
 
Up-against-the-Wall Mart is really a depressing place to go into. I only play a psychologist at home, but I thought the patrons and employees looked depressed as well. Maybe they should pipe in some Happy Mist.
 
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