Nokia and Microsoft Team Up in Smartphone Battle

snova said:
a bit harsh dont you think?

I think the phone part of their phones is top notch actually. They were just relatively unprepared for mobile internet device market. If all you wanted to do is have a reliable phone with great reception and battery life, Nokia would be my #1 recommendation.
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Nokia does make an excellent phone and has for many years. They just missed the boat on smarphones and now they are trying to correct it. I wish them well along with Microsoft, Apple, Android, HP etc. It gives the consumer a lot of choices and hopefully motivates the companies to improve their products.
 
foxnews1 said:
HP does not have deep pocket like MS, and much less than MS + Nokia.
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HP pumps out more revenue than MS and Nokia combined.
MS throw money at selling below-cost Xbox. they buy and attract game developers using their strong influence and deep pocket for years. now their gaming platform is dominating and making big profit.

they can do the same to Window 7 phone. whoever got the deepest pocket can survive this war. MS can throw in GPS or any apps for free. their enterprise business can support this financially.
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Then why has the MS PocketPC/Windows Mobile/Kin/Phone franchise been losing market share to everybody over the past 3 years? The formula hasn't been working in every product category.
 
firewood said:
HP pumps out more revenue than MS and Nokia combined.


Then why has the MS PocketPC/Windows Mobile/Kin/Phone franchise been losing market share to everybody over the past 3 years? The formula hasn't been working in every product category.
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They're not really trying in those categories.
 
Has Microsoft once again cast itself in the role of the one lifeboat that returned to pick up Kate Winslet - after she finally let go of her last hope?

They were there for Yahoo when Yang's stubborn stupidity had devalued them out of sight. And now they're there for Nokia. Well, not quite, what they've done is sell Nokia the right to use their mobile OS - and that's definitely not the same thing as buying them out.

The fact is Nokia were desperate to the point of extreme vulnerability. Selling to such a sorrowful soul isn't really hard - more like selling god's gracious absolution to a lapsed catholic on his deathbed! The poor sods probably salivated.

But all this has happened only two days after Nokia's staff were told they were dying - by the man from Microsoft... Ah! So, despite Elop's colourful use of the burning platform metaphor, maybe we're not talking about a lifeboatman here, but rather a snake oil salesman disguised as a priest!

It's business as usual for the clown prince of Redmond then!
 
Off the fire and into.....the fire!

As I wrote earlier today to the young woman who broke the story on Bloomberg, Mr. Elop has officially jumped from the "burning platform" into the surrounding burning ocean. He appears to be like the guy wildly flailing in the water to grab hold of anything to keep himself afloat.
Judging from the fact that he has tapped several of his old acquaintances from Microsoft to helm this "alliance", I suspect that it's a coup foir Mr. Ballmer and may represent Microsoft's no-cost way of acquiring Nokia through a backdoor type of situation. Don't be surprised if you see a reference to the "Nokia subsidiary of Microsoft" in the not too distant future.
And just as a parting shot, this is going to be a bust. They still don't "get it".
 
Despite what some people say, I think if Nokia and Microsoft reach an agreement that Nokia phones running Windows Phone 7 must be a "pure" experience (e.g., similar to the Google Nexus One and Nexus S phones), the new Nokia phones could be quite viable.

One of the BIG problems with Android phones besides the Nexus series is the cellphone manufacturer and/or cellphone carrier loads it with extra software, which makes it very difficult to update software. This is a big advantage of the iPhone: because Apple strictly enforces a "pure" experience in terms of software and interface design, it's very easy to update iOS to do things like add features and fix bugs.

By going the "pure" experience route, Nokia phones could easily get updates and bug fixes from Microsoft easily, which could make them a lot more competitive against the iPhone.
 
SactoGuy18 said:
Despite what some people say, I think if Nokia and Microsoft reach an agreement that Nokia phones running Windows Phone 7 must be a "pure" experience (e.g., similar to the Google Nexus One and Nexus S phones), the new Nokia phones could be quite viable.

One of the BIG problems with Android phones besides the Nexus series is the cellphone manufacturer and/or cellphone carrier loads it with extra software, which makes it very difficult to update software. This is a big advantage of the iPhone: because Apple strictly enforces a "pure" experience in terms of software and interface design, it's very easy to update iOS to do things like add features and fix bugs.

By going the "pure" experience route, Nokia phones could easily get updates and bug fixes from Microsoft easily, which could make them a lot more competitive against the iPhone.
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That might be correct for Android but it doesn't apply to Windows Phone 7. Manufacturers cannot customize the OS. Every device has the "pure" experience. The GUI cannot be changed and the maximum an OEM can do is to add a live tile with his applications. Nothing else.
 
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petvas said:
That might be correct for Andrid but it doesn't apply to Windows Phone 7. Manufacturers cannot customize the OS. Every device has the "pure" experience. The GUI cannot be changed and the maximum an OEM can do is to add a live tile with his applications. Nothing else.
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But Microsoft could work with Nokia to refine the OS and work out any bugs and add features like Apple does with the iPhone. Nokia can't do it on its own, but Microsoft could. Nokia will provide the large scale test lab.
 
Nokia CEO will probably get fired long before any deal happens. Traditional cell phone by no means a burning platform as only 20% have a smartphone or want one. :rolleyes:
 
firewood said:
HP pumps out more revenue than MS and Nokia combined.


Then why has the MS PocketPC/Windows Mobile/Kin/Phone franchise been losing market share to everybody over the past 3 years? The formula hasn't been working in every product category.
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revenue means nothing. it is profit and cash reserve MS has that is scary.

MS was so busy with other business that they ignore their once-dominate-mobile business after beating palm. mobile was not that a big business back then.
 
This is not even a real deal yet, Microsoft and Nokia only signed a letter of intent. I guess the European Commission will have something to say about it because there are high subsidies into Symbian and might stop the deal all together.

The financial statement says:

"DISCLAIMER
Nokia and Microsoft have entered into a non-binding term sheet. The planned partnership remains subject to negotiations and execution of the definitive agreements by the parties and there can be no assurances that the definitive agreements would be entered into."
 
kdarling said:
Personally, I see nothing wrong with lots of cheap devices. In fact, I plan to use cheap Android tablets as wall touch controllers and video displays tied together in a home control system.
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There's nothing wrong with lots of cheap devices ... if you are a consumer who likes cheap devices.

The problem is for manufacturers, who find themselves investing in products, which only deliver a 5% return or less. For those returns it's not worth investing.

This is what we are seeing in the Windows PC market. The market is not dead, but innovation has ceased.

The same thing is happening in the phone market.

C.
 
I will jump all over this! I need a new phone to replace my nearly useless iPhone 3G. I had already considered the WP7, although the current phone-sets are cheap pieces of crap.
 
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The subsidy was for research, Nokia could use that for Meego instead.

I'd be surprised if the microsoft agreement would be cancelled now. Nokia can't go back, i imagine there's a lot ill feeling towards Nokia right now amongst the developers , which they need to build an ego system... the main reason for going to Microsoft.
 
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I've also read that Nokia have the rights to modify WP7 more than any other OEM.
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If that is true, how long before the others take offense and dump WP7?
 
I doubt MS will give Nokia any more rights to modify/customize the WP7 interface than to any other manufacturer (effectively none). However I'm sure they'll be far more accommodating in terms of supported hardware: MS wont be able to dictate specs to Nokia like they've been doing so far...

Other manufacturers will benefit from this.
 
stewacide said:
I doubt MS will give Nokia any more rights to modify/customize the WP7 interface than to any other manufacturer (effectively none). However I'm sure they'll be far more accommodating in terms of supported hardware: MS wont be able to dictate specs to Nokia like they've been doing so far...

Other manufacturers will benefit from this.
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Microsoft has already agreed to give Nokia full customization of Windows Phone 7, according to Engadget:

http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/11/nokia-will-be-able-to-customize-everything-in-windows-phone-7/
 
firewood said:
Windows 7 passed Apple's installed base more than a year ago, and has probably grown way ahead by now.

There are also far far more .net developers than Objective C and Cocoa developers. The only development community that is larger is that of web developers. Which is why HP/Palm's webOS has a fighting chance against MS.
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Got any numbers to back up your premise?
 
Nokia, I am dissapoint.
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It seems like this is the beginning of the end for Nokia. They've invested so much with Intel in MeeGo, and now they're like saying 'well, we can't wait anymore, now let's kiss M$ ass'.
 
Christ, who shot that video? Ballmer is way underexposed, especially next to the Nokia guy. This is the best a videographer could do when filming one of the most prominent executives in the world? Amateurish...
 
I think this is great news. I like to collect flagship mobile devices. HTC and Samsung produce(d) official Google phones (the Nexus series), Apple makes the one and only iPhone, and now Nokia has the opportunity to build the finest Windows Mobile handset around. Choice and variety are good things.
 
illegalfrogs said:
I think this is great news. I like to collect flagship mobile devices. HTC and Samsung produce(d) official Google phones (the Nexus series), Apple makes the one and only iPhone, and now Nokia has the opportunity to build the finest Windows Mobile handset around. Choice and variety are good things.
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Absolutely true. I like to be able to chose from several top notch products.
 
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