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Nokia and Microsoft Team Up in Smartphone Battle
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MS is gonna die. Windows OSs are horribly made. They're stuck in a pit.
Who cares how big they are? They're just gonna lose to Apple like they have been for a while now.
Windows 7 passed Apple's installed base more than a year ago, and has probably grown way ahead by now.
There are also far far more .net developers than Objective C and Cocoa developers. The only development community that is larger is that of web developers. Which is why HP/Palm's webOS has a fighting chance against MS.
its seldom that a turn around happens to a once mighty market leader by partnering with another once mighty market leader. Can you name any?
I think they would have had a better chance for success by acquiring an innovative small company and letting them drive.
Examples. IBM + Microsoft (when it was a nobody), Apple + NeXT Computer, Google + Android Inc.
Two old "has been" bulls in a China does not equal success. Slow, dont get along, dead wood and politics a plenty. This why Intel + MS dont get along, Nokia + Intel didn't get along and why Nokia + MS wont work either. Too many turf wars and too many ego going around to try to impress upper management. People make careers at large companies like MS, Nokia and Intel by not getting "pinned" for any bad news. They do this by blaming the other guy. You can count on this happening here again. IMHO.
i am quite disappointed by this - i have been faithful to nokia for the reason that they have done their own thing and not conformed to the iOS like side of things. i refuse to buy an iphone because there is no qwerty keypad - and android is oh so ugly.
no where do i go!?
Have you tried using a virtual keyboard for any length of time? You might be surprised. It's not perfect, but no miniature keyboard is. It's always going to be a compromise of sorts, but I find the iPhone typing experience (including spelling correction) overall to be quite good.
Go back and read what I replied to with the post you quoted. He stated that Windows was crap and a few other 12 year old mentality comments, hence my comment. Nokia is currently #1, this move is to intended to keep them there. Whether it will or not remains to be seen. I don't think they will be out of business in the next year or two, same with MS. If Nokia only sells 50 million phones a year with WM7, half of their 2010 smartphones sales, that is a big market share gain for MS. Nokia wants something now, not to be developed in the next year or two. The time to save the sinking ship is when the leak starts, not when it is taking in water from all directions. From a business standpoint, I think it is a good move for both companies. I would hardly expect Nokia to roll over and die and whether Microsoft has a player in the mobile market or not isn't going to hurt them short term, but it is a direction they need to get involved in for the future. They will not be the dominating force, but 10% of the market should be more profitable than 0%. Just my .02.
What you say sounds reasonable mostly.
Except the part about current Nokia handset smartphone sales being converted to WM7 sales next year. I think Nokia has burned too many bridges with their customers for that to happen. We shall see what happens.
Im betting on failure because the two giants cant seem to get along over the piece that Nokia wants to "customize" as their value add.
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For the people calling it WM7 & Windows Mobile 7. Its NOT
It is Windows Phone 7. So if you are going to bash it, at least show that you aren't mindlessly bashing it because its MSFT and showing that you really dont know the first thing about it, its name.
It is Windows Phone 7. So if you are going to bash it, at least show that you aren't mindlessly bashing it because its MSFT and showing that you really dont know the first thing about it, its name.
Nokia sold 100 million smartphones in 2010 according to an earlier post in this thread. I cut that number in half. They lost about 3% of their market share from 2009-2010. With Verizon having the iPhone, they stand to lose more this year. I just pulled the 50 million number out of the air thinking a worst case scenario.
I Equated nokia with a turd. Quality and competence have nothing to do with size.
The iPhone on Verizon will do almost nothing to affect Nokia market share in the states - they won't perform any worse or better.. they'll continue to loss market share.
problem is as many have pointed out in the US most of what Nokia sells is pretty much there low end dumb phones. Over seas my understanding is we see their good stuff. Stuff that never makes it into the US>
Hmm. I was right. Nokia did finally have to dump the dumb-phones.
Pity Microsoft isn't an "eco-system" kind of company. This won't go as well as they think.
The Nokia fan-bois sure aren't happy. http://conversations.nokia.com/2011/02/11/welcome-to-the-third-ecosystem/
Pity Microsoft isn't an "eco-system" kind of company. This won't go as well as they think.
The Nokia fan-bois sure aren't happy. http://conversations.nokia.com/2011/02/11/welcome-to-the-third-ecosystem/
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a bit harsh dont you think?
I think the phone part of their phones is top notch actually. They were just relatively unprepared for mobile internet device market. If all you wanted to do is have a reliable phone with great reception and battery life, Nokia would be my #1 recommendation.
HP number 3?
HP does not have deep pocket like MS, and much less than MS + Nokia.
MS throw money at selling below-cost Xbox. they buy and attract game developers using their strong influence and deep pocket for years. now their gaming platform is dominating and making big profit.
they can do the same to Window 7 phone. whoever got the deepest pocket can survive this war. MS can throw in GPS or any apps for free. their enterprise business can support this financially. failing window phone is just a scratch. HP and RIM are no where close to MS.
You are missing the point. Their good stuff isn't good enough. They were getting their asses handed to them. Which is why they are now in this situation.
you forget something very important. MS window phone 7 is not just for Nokia. HTC or any other manufacturer can be a partner, and window phone 7 is not as fragment as android.
the pie will be didived into three pieces: apple, google, and MS. each will own market share close to each other.
this is the best news for us, the consumers. we will enjoy innovation at the speed of light and at low cost.
You are correct, it won't have much effect on Nokia's US market share but it will have some effect on their overall market share. If Verizon sells 10 million iPhones this year that is an increase in Apple's market share. When you're at the top there is only generally one way to go, down. Sure, some companies stay at the top for quite a while, but eventually someone else comes along to cut into market share. Windows fell below 90% of market share about 2 years ago, it's bound to fall a bit over time. But Windows 7 has slowed or stopped the decline. Why not the same for Nokia if they can turn out a few good products? They may lose market share but that doesn't have to be the demise of the company.