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Nokia and Microsoft Team Up in Smartphone Battle
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So let me get this straight. If mobile phones are a prelude to the future of personal computers (tablets), then Nokia will be making the tablets that will compete with iPad and all the Google OS tablet devices.
This I cannot see happening...
This is just another corporate product. Not for consumers.
This I cannot see happening...
This is just another corporate product. Not for consumers.
This is the end of Nokia.
No one "partners" with Microsoft for long. If the project fails that's it for Nokia and if it does well they get bought or merged into Microsoft. Either way they are gone. Maybe they keep the brand name around for a while but this is the end of Nokia as a separate company with it's own product line.
No one "partners" with Microsoft for long. If the project fails that's it for Nokia and if it does well they get bought or merged into Microsoft. Either way they are gone. Maybe they keep the brand name around for a while but this is the end of Nokia as a separate company with it's own product line.
Blackberry needs to team up with Android now
Android actually is quite buggy for the enterprise. Hard to setup. Lots of options. Takes a lot of work.
If Blackberry could integrate Android into their enterprise email system (which is excellent) and their hardware, they could have a hit on their hands. I can't think of any other way for RIM to save itself as these "ecosystems" come together in the mobile space.
What do you all think?
Android actually is quite buggy for the enterprise. Hard to setup. Lots of options. Takes a lot of work.
If Blackberry could integrate Android into their enterprise email system (which is excellent) and their hardware, they could have a hit on their hands. I can't think of any other way for RIM to save itself as these "ecosystems" come together in the mobile space.
What do you all think?
People calling it Windows Mobile 7 are the ones bashing it. People who knows it's no longer Windows Mobile and now Windows Phone 7 are the ones who have tried it and see its merit. Go figure... 
Someone might really want to go back and look at history.
HTC put themselves on the map with Windows Mobile and then with their custom skins on top of that.
HTC is going to be making some WP7 phones so HTC has been partnered for a while and doing great.
Samsung had a HUGE hit with the Blackjack and it did fairly well threw multiple phones and Samsung is making some WP7 phones.
LG been partnered for a while and guess what making a WP7 phones.
List goes on. Just figured I would point that out.
Now HTC and Samsung during the WM 6.0 days they both made something different for that time that set them apart.
People calling it Windows Mobile 7 are the ones bashing it. People who knows it's no longer Windows Mobile and now Windows Phone 7 are the ones who have tried it and see its merit. Go figure...
I used one for a few hours at my friends house. One of the big 4" screen phones. The OS isn't bad by any means, but it feels extremely limited. Its missing some extremely basic features (in the browser in particular) and does feel very young. That said, there is promise that as it matures it should be a pretty decent competitor in the market for those that like extremely simple phones (a sizable market).
WP7 has absolutely no place in the market, at this time.
Even the Windows fanboys buy iPhones (in my office they do, even the guys who claim they hate Macs and Mac OS X)
Microsoft goes to phone manufacturers saying, "we need some new hardware to run our brilliant new mobile OS".... and are promptly shown Android phones.
Yes, WP7 runs on Android hardware... so why exactly are you going to pay extra to use Microcrap on the same hardware? Well, you arent, are you?
Corporate/enterprise use is complicated, so lets not bring up the random number generation issues around security - just assume Blackberry has that covered.
Who cares if Nokia and Microsoft are doing it in bed?
Roll on iPhone 5
Even the Windows fanboys buy iPhones (in my office they do, even the guys who claim they hate Macs and Mac OS X)
Microsoft goes to phone manufacturers saying, "we need some new hardware to run our brilliant new mobile OS".... and are promptly shown Android phones.
Yes, WP7 runs on Android hardware... so why exactly are you going to pay extra to use Microcrap on the same hardware? Well, you arent, are you?
Corporate/enterprise use is complicated, so lets not bring up the random number generation issues around security - just assume Blackberry has that covered.
Who cares if Nokia and Microsoft are doing it in bed?
Roll on iPhone 5
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The opposite. They would have killed each other. Two losing OS platforms and software teams fighting it out, with neither winning any market share in the apps ecosystem.
At least MS has shown that if they pour enough torrents of money into some consumer product like Xbox/Kinect, game developers will develop, and consumers will buy more.
And although MS didn't profit greatly from it, their Win Mobile was the beginning of the end for Palm, even before Palm finished themselves off.
WP7 has absolutely no place in the market, at this time.
Even the Windows fanboys buy iPhones (in my office they do, even the guys who claim they hate Macs and Mac OS X)
Microsoft goes to phone manufacturers saying, "we need some new hardware to run our brilliant new mobile OS".... and are promptly shown Android phones.
Yes, WP7 runs on Android hardware... so why exactly are you going to pay extra to use Microcrap on the same hardware? Well, you arent, are you?
Corporate/enterprise use is complicated, so lets not bring up the random number generation issues around security - just assume Blackberry has that covered.
Who cares if Nokia and Microsoft are doing it in bed?
Roll on iPhone 5
If the Android companies were smart, they'd make Windows phones too. Not a good idea to put all your eggs in one basket especially when it's Googles.
There is only room for one proprietary smartphone OS, and I do not see WP7 being able to take down Apple.
Android's greatest strength lies in the fact that it is free software and Davlik. Davlik ensures that Android can be run on multiple architectures and have no program compatibility issues. Android programs will run on Intel, ARM and MIPS architectures with no performance issues.
Android allows carriers to customize the phones as they wish and manufacturers can create phones of any form factor... This is the biggest advantage it has over Apple. If you need a keyboard... Apple is out the window.
RIM, WebOS and WP7 are a cluster**** of proprietary operating systems that are being pushed too late without the flexibility or infrastructure of Android. Of these 3 WebOS has the most potential due to the focus on non proprietary development.
Android's greatest strength lies in the fact that it is free software and Davlik. Davlik ensures that Android can be run on multiple architectures and have no program compatibility issues. Android programs will run on Intel, ARM and MIPS architectures with no performance issues.
Android allows carriers to customize the phones as they wish and manufacturers can create phones of any form factor... This is the biggest advantage it has over Apple. If you need a keyboard... Apple is out the window.
RIM, WebOS and WP7 are a cluster**** of proprietary operating systems that are being pushed too late without the flexibility or infrastructure of Android. Of these 3 WebOS has the most potential due to the focus on non proprietary development.
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I have an E71 and my wife has an iPhone 4. The only thing that is better on the E71 is the battery life. Get real.
SnoFlo said:
I have an E71 and my wife has an iPhone 4. The only thing that is better on the E71 is the battery life. Get real.
Brand name. Big distribution channels in some countries. A zillion patents on cellular and radio technology.
as the crowd chants leave, leave, leave, MS & Nokia misunderstand their meaning.
did they announce teh handset specs, price and shipping date ? it's just, meh.
as the crowd starts up again; iPhone 5, iPhone 5, iPhone 5
did they announce teh handset specs, price and shipping date ? it's just, meh.
as the crowd starts up again; iPhone 5, iPhone 5, iPhone 5
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That isn't quite right. You don't get the google apps like maps, gmail, etc.
Carniphage said:Why is it people don't understand that WP7 phone makers are "me too" phone makers, just like in the Android world?
Nokia has just turned itself into a generic hardware factory for Microsoft's failing mobile platform.
The biggest difference between Android and WP7, is that Microsoft can refuse licensees.
Anyone can grab a build of Android and stick it into their hardware. So any no-name Chinese manufacturer can match you feature for feature.
Both platforms are licensed, but Android is definitely the high speed route to commodity status.
C.
That isn't quite right. You don't get the google apps like maps, gmail, etc.
I agree. However, phone contracts are all about money and profit...
The best thing Nokia could have done (about 3 years ago!!!!) is to get together with Microsoft and develop something in secret... a new OS married to Nokia hardware and an App platform.
But, its now too late for any competitor really. iOS is mature, App store is hot and Apple truly owns this space now.
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It doesn't matter how much functionality is under the covers if it is not bone head simple to utilize by the majority of the population who is for the most part computer illiterate.
Stella said:
It doesn't matter how much functionality is under the covers if it is not bone head simple to utilize by the majority of the population who is for the most part computer illiterate.
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WM7 has an app ecosystem? News to me. It does have an app store or a way to add third party apps. What ecosystem?
Jaro65 said:
WM7 has an app ecosystem? News to me. It does have an app store or a way to add third party apps. What ecosystem?
I believe your device also doesn't get access to the Android Market unless you're a member of the Open Handset Alliance.
Plus you cannot call what you have as "Android Version" so-and-so, unless it has passed the Android tests for that version.
Personally, I see nothing wrong with lots of cheap devices. In fact, I plan to use cheap Android tablets as wall touch controllers and video displays tied together in a home control system.
This...
I picked up a Focus a few weeks ago and it simply kills my iPhone in performance.
The Metro UI took all of a couple of hours to really get used too and now it pains me to pick up my wife's iPhone. Things I thought were simple to do in iOS are even easier to do in WP7.
There is plenty of room for improvement on the app side, but I agree... the updates need to be free flowing and not bottle necked by the providers.
That will kill it for sure.
I still have my iPhone though... makes a great iPod.
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It most definitely has one. Try looking sometime.
No, it doesn't have a million fart and flashlight apps... sorry. Guess Apple wins there.
What do you think and eco-system is?