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Please no windows phone 7
Why not?
At least it's not a "me too" OS like Android.
WP7 is very slick and easy to use. It's not trying to be another iOS clone.
The Metro UI is easier to navigate around than iOS.
Sure it has some catching up to do in the ecosystem side, but the OS itself is very impressive.
Let's just hope MS doesn't drag their feet on the updates.
That is what will kill it for sure.
 
My friend works at Nokia in the Symbian organization... so here's hoping for the best for him come this Friday!
 
Yeah, the last thing you want to do is solicit ideas from employees...



I truly feel sorry for you.



There are many many many companies without Steve Jobs that aren't failing. So having Steve Jobs is not necessarily a hard requirement. But fine, Apple may not be as innovative (or perhaps too innovative) once he leaves. I'll wait to know who his replacement is before I sell my stock.

Steve Jobs never invents things, he drives the company through his vision and charisma.
 
There are little things that always bother me about my Nokia e71x.Like i have to have a data plan to get integrated email. If they focused on what the consumer wants and not what immediately makes money they would sell more phone. They should go to android or windows because they have better names that sell. Then they should hire better programmers. And concentrate on what the consumer wants. Its not that hard. If you make something that works people will buy it. But really after this Nokia phone ill never buy another one. Its that bad. Its hard to recover from being so awful. People remember bad phones. And next time around save up and get an iphone because it works. i want email made easy, easy web browsing, video thats easy to get on the freaking phone. Why cant Nokia make that happen for me? because they suck thats why. Theres no word of hate i can give this phone. None come to mind that truly shows my anguish. I would rather drive a stake through my heart them check my email on its web browser. you all have allot of reasons why android would not work. But just about every android makes it easy to check your email. I would pay an extra 100$ for that.Just for that. A head phone jack that fits regular headphones could go along way to. Its a miny ahhh i hate this phone. Some body shoot me before it rings again and some how 2 digits have been entered even though it was locked.
 
Why not?
At least it's not a "me too" OS like Android.
WP7 is very slick and easy to use. It's not trying to be another iOS clone.
The Metro UI is easier to navigate around than iOS.
Sure it has some catching up to do in the ecosystem side, but the OS itself is very impressive.
Let's just hope MS doesn't drag their feet on the updates.
That is what will kill it for sure.

Because it's bad to have a deal with M$
 
I think Nokia has to go out and partner with either MS or adopt Android as it's OS, unless they really surprise later this week. The biggest reason is for the mentioned "ecosystem". Beyond the phone, the OS and the apps are the games, music and videos, basically, the content. For Nokia to go it alone, they would need entertainment industry partners that they just don't have now.

Now, say they somehow partner with someone like Amazon... That would be a game changer. Amazon's got the content, the connections and even a foot in the tech door with the Kindle. Nokia would be able to focus on the hardware and software, while Amazon develops the ecosystem. MS seems most likely, but watch out for a whole new player.
 
Because it's bad to have a deal with M$
:rolleyes:

If they were "bad to deal with", no company would ever work with them.

I deal with them everyday.
I have always had great experiences dealing with them.
Some of the nicest people I've ever met.

The HP and IBM reps are dicks. I refuse to work with most of their people.
 
Nokia need to fire all their useless people first
like the one working on Webkit, QT and the open source stuff that doesn't bring real money
They also need to close their factory in europe, it's too expensive to produce there and morevover people are lazy there
 
Your opinion is very fan boy and not educated. Sales are given by manufacturer. When you see Apple's market share that is vs. Samsung or RIM. Android devices are selling over 200,000 units/day. Apple has a head start, but in time Android will over take the iPhone. It's math.

Apple has a great echo system tying people into their hardware that does turn them a bit of a profit, but you forget phone makers have been making just phones all this time and haven't had any problems making money. Actually, they make more money using Android vs. in house software. They simply need to skin it (and not even need to.) Google is saving them tons of money on R&D. It's why the adoption rate of Android is so high and many companies are leaving behind their old OS-es. Why have a department of 1000 people working on a proprietary OS when you can have 100 tweaking and skinning.

And what Gimmicks? Android sold itself much like the iPhone.

Trust me. These companies aren't kids selling 25 cent lemonade for a dime. They make plenty of money not just on hardware, but getting money from carriers for exclusives and customizations as well. Samsung and several other companies have also tied their own online stores to their phones for movie downloads and the like too. Not to mention, Android will eventually have a much richer app store. Again it's math. In time once they iron out the fragmentation issues (which it looks liek there is a fix for) more and more developers will be there without all of Apple's restrictions and rejection letters.

And oh, I use an iPhone. It's going to be a competitive market.


I don't think you comprehend the market. The Android activation numbers don't mean much now. If Google is proud of the numbers then they would have provide more details. As it is, most of the activations probably came from developing countries as regular phones not smartphones.

Android will be a commodity soon. Nokia is wise to stay away from Android. It is not good for them to compete with the cheap asian manufacturers. More and more manufacturers are making Android phones everyday. Android is a race to the bottom.
 
Dear Mr. Elop:

As a former Nokia customer, I still recall and regret spending over USD 1,000 on the Nokia E90 Communicator mobile phone a couple of years ago.

That phone has a dead microphone on arrival (i.e., upon opening the box and using it for the first time, the microphone was broken and the other party on the call cannot even hear anything I said), and the retail shop that sold it to me would not even allow me to seek refund or exchange -- it instead demanded that I deal with Nokia directly on the issue.

Nokia simply refused a refund (even though I provided well-publicized news reports of design flaw in the E90's microphone), and instead only offered to replaced the main board of the E90 for me.

After replacement of the main board by Nokia, the E90 would work, but the microphone would randomly malfunction. I attempted to get Nokia to repair it repeatedly to no avail, until finally, the warranty ran out, and Nokia managed to earn over USD 1,000 by selling me a brick.

Needless to say, I have since dropped Nokia products totally, and have moved on to Apple's iPhone and products.

Apple's products work wonders, and I have no issues whatsoever.

It is not that consumers do not wish to buy Nokia's products -- rather it is that consumers have tried Nokia's products for years and years, and are simply tired of being burned by the sub-standard quality, the sub-standard design, the refusal of Nokia to stand behind and take pride in its products.

I hope this open letter reaches you in time -- because Nokia is a lost cause.

Good luck.

A very disappointed former Nokia customer.
 
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:rolleyes:

If they were "bad to deal with", no company would ever work with them.

It should be that way, but it isn't.

One of the reasons is that leaders believe "someone" would have stopped them if they were that bad. So when when "propeller-heads" voice their skepticism they are simply viewed as "nerdy".

One other is vanity. Serfdom is presented as "partnership" or "selected" or "preferred". Leaders want to be the giants "partner", it connects to their hubris.

A third is a longing to be part of something big, with the perspective more on the Big than the Part part.


Why does it matter, is they really so much worse?
MS has leveraged their power to do evil even when it has harmed themselves.
They have sent letters in others names even to the congress and DOJ, even from dead individuals.
They pressure to the extent that producers payed Windows licenses for Linux computers. To the extent that they have dropped their most loved creation, like Hypercard.
They pollute projects and organizations, even UN sized ones like ISO. Google "norwegian vote" and the third entry is about ISOs downfall. Some of the most talented engineers choose not to seek employment with Statoil, one of the "stuffees", and they probably doesn't even know it. (The working bees don't burn bridges and Statoil stays ignorant).
They hoodwinkled investors in the SCO scam. The scam has landed SCO in bankruptcy court, devalued Novell until they Attachmate and MS could loot them, and caused a lot of grief for many others.
They have lined the pockets to thugs that have harassed journalists, and the journalists families, that have covered actions that MS would prefer obscured.
They have falsified others documents, like the Vienna conclusions.
They actively sabotaged IBMs OS2, as a "partner"
They damaged Netscape, the installed browser, when the owner of a computer updated the operating system, and thus irrevocably damaged Netscape Communications Corporation
They did their best effort to scam Spyglass, this quote from Eric Sink should tell you something:
Licensing our browser was a huge win for Spyglass.* And it was a huge loss.* We got a loud wake-up call when we tried to schedule*our second*conference for our OEM browser customers.* Our customers told us they weren't coming because Microsoft was beating them up.* The message became clear:* We sold our browser technology to 120 companies, but one of them slaughtered the other 119.

And then on and on and on …
Even to the positively absurd like helping First4Internet rootkit Windows computers.


I deal with them everyday.
I have always had great experiences dealing with them.
Some of the nicest people I've ever met.

The HP and IBM reps are dicks. I refuse to work with most of their people.

Your local reps is important. Just don't for a second believe that nice reps or resellers would make it safe to sign a contract with Microsoft.

The "story of the scorpion" is a older "tale of the new Microsoft", though they are interchangeable.
 
Just a hint

The best thing Nokia can do is to adopt the WebOS of HP (Palm), going to Windows Phone will make them vulnerable for Microsoft.
I admire the openness that has been stated by Nokia, but talking is one, acting is two. Nokia can partner easily with HP and the result would be market-shaking. This would create momentum. Now let's see if they dare to jump (in the right boat).

Jump!
 
More reports of Nokia and MS in serious talks. In terms of a business, necessity, and bedfellows standpoint this is a pretty good move for both companies. Devil's in the details, but both companies need something big to get out in front of the Android/Apple noise.

http://www.mobileburn.com/news.jsp?Id=12877
 
This looks more like it will benefit the CEOs old buddies at Microsoft than it will help Nokia.

Nokia will have to pay to get much less in WP7, than they could get in Android for free.

Only a CEO who used to work for Microsoft could see a benefit the other way around.
 
Cool. Haven't seen any.

Can you give us links to some of these Android-based dumbphones?

Thanks!


I didn't say Android-based dumbphones. I said as "regular phones" as in being used without data plans.

Looking at the U.S market as an example, Verizon was selling less Android smartphones than iPhones on ATT. See here:
http://www.appleinsider.com/article...sales_drive_verizon_toward_apples_iphone.html

The point is Nokia cannot have a brand premium by going with Android. Android is a free OS and will dominate the low end market.
 
I didn't say Android-based dumbphones. I said as "regular phones" as in being used without data plans.

Thanks, that's clearer. And no doubt also true of many unlocked iPhones in third world countries. Does it have any meaning that I'm missing?

Looking at the U.S market as an example, Verizon was selling less Android smartphones than iPhones on ATT. See here:
http://www.appleinsider.com/article...sales_drive_verizon_toward_apples_iphone.html

Always go to the source. That article's source used data from ITG, the same folk who were claiming that the Galaxy Tab had a huge return rate.

ITG's data is unconfirmed. The Asymco analyst who used the data, and who was quoted in that AppleInsider link, later added this warning to his original article: "Assuming the data is accurate, we are going to dive into it but I will state up-front that without confirmation, the conclusions below should be taken with a grain of salt. All statements should be read with a preceding “if the data is accurate…”

The point is Nokia cannot have a brand premium by going with Android. Android is a free OS and will dominate the low end market.

Now that's an interesting observation, although I think Android will dominate the low, middle and high end markets.

Question for you, since I haven't thought about it much: do you not think that premium hardware and UI overlays count towards reputation? For instance, HTC now has a good rep for both. Not premium, but very good. Couldn't Nokia use Android and also have premium handsets?
 
There are little things that always bother me about my Nokia e71x.Like i have to have a data plan to get integrated email. If they focused on what the consumer wants and not what immediately makes money they would sell more phone. They should go to android or windows because they have better names that sell. Then they should hire better programmers. And concentrate on what the consumer wants. Its not that hard. If you make something that works people will buy it. But really after this Nokia phone ill never buy another one. Its that bad. Its hard to recover from being so awful. People remember bad phones. And next time around save up and get an iphone because it works. i want email made easy, easy web browsing, video thats easy to get on the freaking phone. Why cant Nokia make that happen for me? because they suck thats why. Theres no word of hate i can give this phone. None come to mind that truly shows my anguish. I would rather drive a stake through my heart them check my email on its web browser. you all have allot of reasons why android would not work. But just about every android makes it easy to check your email. I would pay an extra 100$ for that.Just for that. A head phone jack that fits regular headphones could go along way to. Its a miny ahhh i hate this phone. Some body shoot me before it rings again and some how 2 digits have been entered even though it was locked.

The problems with the E71x were not Nokia's fault, they were AT&Ts. AT&T butchered one of the best phones Nokia made in 2008, the E71, preloading it with their crapware and restricting it to their services. They even crammed in S60 3rd Edition FP2 into a phone that was designed for FP1.

It's no wonder that in the USA, Nokia has such a bad reputation.
 
Let's hope they're smart enough to avoid WinPhone7. Their issues don't have anything to do with their core OS, they just failed to see the competitive threat of the iPhone, mocking it along with everybody else instead of working on a decent smartphone of their own with touch-UI.

The guy is spot-on about ecosystems.

About the most sensible post in this thread.

Nokia's problem is not it's OS, it's the management of the company which has been slow to deliver. Adding WP7 or Android won't change that management culture.

Even with top management, using somebody else's OS essentially makes Nokia just another hardware company like Samsung or HTC.

We'll see what Feb 11th brings but I do hope it's not the death of Symbian and MeeGo. They're needed, just for the sake of decent competition if anything else rather than ceding the market to an advertising company, a control freak or a convicted monopolist.
 
We'll see what Feb 11th brings but I do hope it's not the death of Symbian and MeeGo. They're needed, just for the sake of decent competition if anything else rather than ceding the market to an advertising company, a control freak or a convicted monopolist.

I don't really care about Symbian, but I like MeeGo and would like to see it succeed.

Even more though is that I hope that they don't hurt QT, which is likely the best cross platform framework out there.
 
Nokia's problem is not it's OS, it's the management of the company which has been slow to deliver. Adding WP7 or Android won't change that management culture.

Even with top management, using somebody else's OS essentially makes Nokia just another hardware company like Samsung or HTC.

We'll see what Feb 11th brings but I do hope it's not the death of Symbian and MeeGo. They're needed, just for the sake of decent competition if anything else rather than ceding the market to an advertising company, a control freak or a convicted monopolist.


From what's being said, it sounds like Elop is planning on not only teaming up with MS, but is also keen on gutting the board. Many of whom are top level execs at the company. It sounds like a blood-letting is about to come down. It does remain to be seen whether this will be a straight-up W7 to Nokia port, or if this will be some kind of Symbian/Nokia driven OS with MS consulting. Though based on his "letter", I'd guess he intends on adopting W7 rather than trying to create another ecosystem as he sees it.
 
:rolleyes:

If they were "bad to deal with", no company would ever work with them.

I deal with them everyday.
I have always had great experiences dealing with them.
Some of the nicest people I've ever met.

The HP and IBM reps are dicks. I refuse to work with most of their people.

My question is why not android
 
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