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Nokia CEO Memo on Their "Burning Platform"
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Shhh! We want them to team up with Microsoft... (We're used to kicking their ss)
I can't believe the ignorant posters that compare Android to the iPhone. One is a OS that runs on a multitude of phones and one is a phone. Oranges vs. Apples (pun intended).
So when a Fandroid says android is taking over the market and out selling iPhone, they make themselves look uninformed.
So when a Fandroid says android is taking over the market and out selling iPhone, they make themselves look uninformed.
HMmm i'm smelling an n-gage 2 on the air!
N-Gage QD was the N-Gage II.
Although I LOVE RIM - and patriotic (Canadian here); if RIM is not careful their CEO (a new one soon) will be having the SAME conversation internally.
This is going to end very badly for them and homey is going to be sent up the river.
Nokia is under pressure to keep it sales up and to find all tricks needed to get folks buying their sh** all the time like before. You know wall street. You have to make more money than last year and any previous year all the time. Don't slip! Cause you'll get your a** handed to you.
Nokia's business model has been pawned. Any Android or the iphone totally beats anything Nokia has.
Nokia is under pressure to keep it sales up and to find all tricks needed to get folks buying their sh** all the time like before. You know wall street. You have to make more money than last year and any previous year all the time. Don't slip! Cause you'll get your a** handed to you.
Nokia's business model has been pawned. Any Android or the iphone totally beats anything Nokia has.
You really are a silly, prejudiced Republican, aren't you?
The very same 'socialist' mindset actually created the biggest and most successful cellphone company in the 90s. And then they chose the wrong path.
Before you use big words like 'socialism', please educate yourself before you use them. It's always the same with you tea baggers. Ignorance is bliss.
Nokia will be bought out by Apple. Apple will take what they can use like patents and then laugh while they see Nokia, the once huge phone maker, die a miserable death.
And the staggaring expense & costs to retrofit ALL those international factories to build future iPhones or iPads makes this an Un-intelligent business move!! Along with having issues with governmental laws of reducing staff = Nokia had a HUGE issue closing a German based plant which had to be re-opened in less than 30 days due to this!!
I see Samsung purchasing Nokia if ANY company will; but Samsung/Motorola/RIM would be better suited to merge or swallow Nokia in 5yrs if it starts to show serious "blood" right now their weak and cannot jog to keep up.
PS: Nokia has a LARGE services/software business. And their biggest purchases for Software is actually RIM: "IntelliSync" is at the core of Desktop Sync services for BlackBerry Desktop Manager and has been since before Nokia bought IntelliSync. Many other companies use less power for desktop sync PC Suite type software as well.
no android for nokia
There's no way Nokia could make money with Android phones. Operators are already giving Android phones for free. At least in Finland. ZTE Blade bundled with a max speed data plan has been sold for 6,90/month as a two year contract. That's basically half the cost of the data plan!
What's really sad is that ZTE Blade is a better phone than most of the current Nokia lineup.
There's no way Nokia could make money with Android phones. Operators are already giving Android phones for free. At least in Finland. ZTE Blade bundled with a max speed data plan has been sold for 6,90/month as a two year contract. That's basically half the cost of the data plan!
What's really sad is that ZTE Blade is a better phone than most of the current Nokia lineup.
x2. I wish Nokia the best though. Would love to have a nokia device with android!
I'm not sure if English is your first language or not, but I did not say Android would trail IOS in sales. What I did say was that Manufacturers of Android phones were going to have a hard time making significant margins due to the nature of each just being "another Android phone."
"A bit of a profit!!" Talk about an understatement! I refer you back to an earlier thread where Apple has shown to be making a very significant share of the entire phone revenue while being a minor overall player.
And the other manufacturers are having a hard time making money. If you read the article that headed this thread, you'd see that Nokia is in deep trouble. Motorola is floundering according to earlier threads, and Palm was bleeding money so badly they were bought out.
I don't doubt that manufacturers such as LG and HTC are making money, but it's with far less dollars per unit than Apple. And that was the point of my earlier post: There will be a price war among the Android phone manufacturers coming in this year that will get ugly.
Again you must not have understood the post that started this whole thread. Nokia's Symbian which they were sticking with has failed to get traction. Of course switching to Andriod or maybe MSM7 makes some sense, but not for the reason you dreamed up. Android is a successful OS...that's the reason they may chose it. MSM7 is maybe going to be acceptable to people and represents a possible choice. Time has proven that Symbian is unacceptable and will never lead them to higher sales.
But, again, what I was saying holds true: If they go with Android, they are jumping into a sea of sharks competing for the same customers.
What the h*ll do you think you're talking about when you blather on about "skinning" the OS other then trying to find some gimmick to differentiate one Android phone from the rest???
Well that last paragraph was a condescending vomit of nonsense that I won't even dignify with a response.
I know a lot about Nokia and how they rule the dumb phone market and are very strong in communications software and other areas. However their new CEO sees the growth future in the phone business as residing in the "smart phone" area where Nokia is very weak.
Furthermore, with all their R & D money, they haven't got anything really going on other then building hardware and writing more software. The CEO rightly understands that isn't enough...a smart phone will require a whole ecosystem to be effective in the market. Nokia has nothing of that sort...zero...zilch...nada.
Now one doesn't conjure up an ecosystem...it takes time to root and develop and success means always tweaking and adjusting to (or creating) trends. Obviously, that's not Nokia's strength or they wouldn't currently be the king of the bottom feeders in the phone market.
There is no way to rush an ecosystem into being. It takes time to grow it. It's like that old problem the Russian government had for years: If a a hundred farmers can grow a thousand tons of wheat, then putting 400 farmers on the job ought to get it done in four months. That's now how it works.
You talk about how it may take 3 years for Nokia to get its act together and start kicking arse. No way will the market stand still for an arse kicking. When they get ready to kick, they will be kicking an old target. The best example is Microsoft. They are now putting on the market their phone... it gives Apple's iPhone serious competition...IF Apple hadn't gone on and improved their hardware and software to be much more desirable to the enterprise market, and improved their ecosystem to tightly capture the personal home user.
The CEO of Nokia recognizes that the phone market is changing very rapidly. He recognizes that they don't have 3 years to catch up. (Hence the "burning platform" analogy). He also recognizes that there are no really attractive quick solutions.
Nokia is in the same crisis that IBM was in the 90s. That is, the customer base got smarter, saw the Emperor Has No Clothes and moved on to more sensible solutions having no more ignorance to pay for. Upper management is fighting their own calcified, entrenched, career middle managers that can manipulate Nokia's bureaucracy more than they can.
Napoleon has the same problem with the French Army when he wanted to invade central Europe and move into Russia. His solution was charging several middle rank officers and career Sargents with treason and having them shot dead in front of the ranks. I doubt if Finnish law would permit that these days.
This interview I think is intended to scare the crap out of Nokia telling them it is no longer business as usual. I'll still say it, they need to break up into smaller companies to survive and retire the career middle managers that only want to raise their kids and pay a mortgage.
As a consumer I like this environment: Nokia and Microsoft now HAVE to innovate.
For years many of us were frustrated with Microsoft software and Nokia phones - it is difficult to be sympathetic (although now they are starting to look like the underdogs I would like to see them to succeed - but in a fresh new direction iOS and Android are not taking).
For years many of us were frustrated with Microsoft software and Nokia phones - it is difficult to be sympathetic (although now they are starting to look like the underdogs I would like to see them to succeed - but in a fresh new direction iOS and Android are not taking).
You're right, but it's not really the money. I'm guessing I could probably switch to Android and actually save money instead of upgrading to a new iPhone. But it's the whole investment of time and energy learning new apps, organising each screen, all the data my apps are storing, etc, etc. There's a certain breed of nerd who enjoys redoing all that stuff for the sake of saying they got a dual core chip for half the price, but most people recognise the value of a long-term, committed relationship so long as your phone keeps treating you right.
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Man looks into the abyss and sees himself or into FaceTime and sees a big problem.
Man looks into the abyss and sees himself or into FaceTime and sees a big problem.
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So Nokia thinks: "our unimaginative hardware + an alliance with Steve Ballmer = Success."
Priceless.
They had 4 ****ing years. And what's their answer? Windows. LOL.
So Nokia thinks: "our unimaginative hardware + an alliance with Steve Ballmer = Success."
Priceless.
They had 4 ****ing years. And what's their answer? Windows. LOL.
You do realise Nokia are still the number one in the phone business when it comes to sales? There's no chance of them shutting up shop, they are huge despite having a woeful range of high-end devices.
As one of the few people that use an expensive Nokia phone let me say this; if Nokia goes Windows, I'll go elsewhere.
Nonsense. Nokia have produced dozens of excellent mid-range phones, in fact they still do. But most technology enthusiasts are only interested in high-end phones and overlook what Nokia excels at.
I have owned about 10 Nokia phones and the pick of the bunch is the 6700 classic. It's looks good, durable, GPS, 3G, excellent business applications/organiser, great camera and it's CHEAP!
I never liked the N range of phones, the E series are excellent though although newer E series models are no real improvement on devices that are 2-3 years old.
WM7 will be pretty decent once the platform gets the chance to mature. It needs a few updates and tweaks before it's ready for the mainstream IMO.
Windows Phone OS will be the dead of Nokia!
Actually I own Nokia Symbian Phone and I don't trade it for any iPhone, in my opinion is much better than iPhone, as I own a Mac and I don't trade Mac OS X for any computer OS. NOKIA is lot better, the phones are cheaper, they are lot more robust, the battery takes lot longer, and you can do what ever you want with them, send and receive files, flash or java, even python, it has easy wireless sync and free GPS voice guidance for all the world, Symbian^3 is great, here in Europe Nokia still rules and I know for 4 people already that ditched iPhone for Nokia, so things may going to change again. Windows Phone OS on a Nokia will be the dead of Nokia!
Actually I own Nokia Symbian Phone and I don't trade it for any iPhone, in my opinion is much better than iPhone, as I own a Mac and I don't trade Mac OS X for any computer OS. NOKIA is lot better, the phones are cheaper, they are lot more robust, the battery takes lot longer, and you can do what ever you want with them, send and receive files, flash or java, even python, it has easy wireless sync and free GPS voice guidance for all the world, Symbian^3 is great, here in Europe Nokia still rules and I know for 4 people already that ditched iPhone for Nokia, so things may going to change again. Windows Phone OS on a Nokia will be the dead of Nokia!