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Nokia Sues Apple for Patent Infringement in Germany and the U.S. Following Licensing Disagreement [Updated]
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This sounds like the general problem with our world today. Instead of sitting down like adults and compromising on a fee structure, we just sue each other. I understand that Nokia wants money and I get that Apple had a FRAND deal that was nullified. This does not seem like a huge issue to resolve, but even with million of dollars in salary, the executives need a judge to figure out their mess. Really sad state of affairs if you ask me. (I know you didn't)
Third parties have commented on the deplorable practices taken by Nokia and it's PAEs before, this isn't exactly a new scenario. It sounds like Apple just decided that enough is enough; considering the lawsuit they filed is about antitrust allegations, they're obviously trying to bust the whole system open.
Hey Cuban. What's goin' on bud. Listen man, help me with something. I've been reading this post about Nokia and Apple suing each other. I'm sort of conflicted. On on hand, I think it's just what companies do. On the other, I think it's a really sad state of affairs. Not sure how I should feel. Whadda you think?
Thanks brother.
Thanks brother.
Nokia told in the same press release, (that was not quoted in MR's news) that they've invested 115 billion USD to mobile tech R&D. So they want to have a fair share if someone is using their tech.
Apple claims, that because Nokia was not able to make good products out of that tech, they're not worth that much.
So, court room has to settle the dispute. Anyway, Apple quite clearly showed the finger to Nokia's direction.
Apple claims, that because Nokia was not able to make good products out of that tech, they're not worth that much.
So, court room has to settle the dispute. Anyway, Apple quite clearly showed the finger to Nokia's direction.
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This is the exact tactic Apple had tried to use against Android with their Rockstar Consortium -- until Google successfully convinced the court that Apple was orchestrating it behind the curtain and moved the case from TX to CA.
Why is it ok when Apple does it, but "deplorable" when someone else does it?
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What do you mean? NOKIA is a viable networking company now, is raking in massive profits and is in waaaaay better shape than 3-4 years ago.
So where in the complaint does it say that Nokia's patents are no longer FRAND simply because they are no longer held by Nokia? Based on my quick reading of the filing (see Introduction 4), Apple is accusing Nokia of dividing up their patent portfolio and distributing them among Nokia's PAE's to milk Apple. No where in the complaint does it say Nokia's patents are no longer FRAND.
If they are moving their patents to other companies whose only business is enforcing patents, those companies ARE patent trolls.. So...
This is a thread about the controversy between Nokia and Apple over intellectual property. I know that anything to do with intellectual anything is probably the farthest thing from the troll agenda, but would you at least work on some originality? Let's see, you followed the script and brought up comments that bash Apple but are irrelevant to the actual discussion, but you used the very tired and lame "Apple can't innovate" and "No Mac upgrades by Cook." On the positive side, you do get credit give for not using "courage." Now, on your road to redemption, put on your thinking cap and let's see if you can formulate a response to this post that doesn't include "Fanboy," "Kool-Aid," " death of Jobs, " "thinness," "bean counter" or "dongles." I know that you probably haven't seen any homework from the Trolling Apple on-line course that doesn't include these terms, but I assure you it can be done. Never give up.
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Cool story bro.
Apple never sued anyone with Rockstar, but after this, they should do that.
That's what Nokia and other Android OEMs deserve.
A little something that was selling 468,000,000 phones in 2008, a mere 8 years ago.
That is nearly double the 251m iphones that Apple sold last year.
Shows just how quickly things can change...
Of course, Texas
I'd call it venue shopping but is it really shopping if there's only one very specific item on your grocery list?
Of course, Texas
Not if it's US District Court for the Eastern District of Texas. They approve everything over there in regards to patent lawsuits because it puts them on the map.
You know why? The judges sons are the major patent lawyers in the very same town, so if the judge awards huge penalties to the the ones suing, his son gets more money than if he loses. It a racket and the patent trolls know it.
This will expose it all.
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What a childish comment.
They were the best phones money could get, also very strong, didn't/doesn't break when dropped.
I had one for instance which could fetch stock data amongst other data in the year 1997, long before Apple
came along.
Sadly symbian wasn't up to it's job in later years, and Nokia didn't change when they needed to change.
But they are still there but not in the mobile phones market anymore.
You'll never know, Apple may fail one day as well.
It's a telecommunications company with 25 billion USD revenue last fiscal year.
Didn't Nokia divide their patents 3 ways, some going to Apple, some to Samsung, and some to another 3rd party? Good chance Apple already owns the Nokia patents they're fighting over.
I might be a bit too dry, but seriously...
Nokia is a company in networking business, in control of significant portions of patent pools and R&D of Nokia (eh), Siemens, Motorola and Alcatel-Lucent in cellular networks. Without the research they put in the subject, there would be much less of anything those iPhones could use to communicate. They are one of the behemoths of telecom technologies in the background, along with Ericsson and Huawei. These companies are not a joke; they are building blocks of our current society. Sure, Apple would want to be let to take advantage of their research for free.
I have been professionally involved with most of these companies over my career. I have also been involved with several central companies without which Macs wouldn't be possible - and also defence companies making existence of Western democracies a real thing. The amount of interest these companies put on research is central to our modern societies, and it costs real money. Nonetheless, only expectation on this forum is some sort of a poop-throwing festivity. Amount of fixation on a single company, in good or bad, on this forum is absurd.
Let's put it straight: no company has a chance to survive purely on its own. This especially applies to markets such as telecommunications and microelectronics. Apple is reliant on hundreds of companies to make a single working product on these markets. Nokia is really one of those companies that has put - even conservatively speaking - tens of billions on R&D which has benefited Apple. What's the moral high ground choosing to unquestionably defend Apple on this case?