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Nokia Sues Apple for Patent Infringement in Germany and the U.S. Following Licensing Disagreement [Updated]
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Not really. The consortium was a collection of patents from different companies needed to perform a particular task. If they were all with their original companies someone wanting to use the technology would need to have made 30 different licensing deals.
What?
I mean... what? Apologies, I'm just surprised someone could... what? This is so wrong that it has to be some sort of Poe's Law type deal. Did you even read the link in the comment you quoted?
It is illegal. Nokia is gasping for air. This is asinine. Let Bruce pull the noose tight on this one Timmy.
they didn't what?? Are you denying that Apple's proxy, Rockstar, sued Android competitors [1] or the court agreed with Google that Apple's majority stake in Rockstar went beyond mere revenue sharing [2], or Apple, umm, I mean Rockstar, was forced to settle [3]?
Apple's PAE sues Android Phone makers.
"... The timing of this was interesting: Rockstar filed eight lawsuits on October 31. (Copies of the complaints are going up on FOSS Patents.) News on Rockstar's actions hit just hours after Google announced the release of its Android "KitKat" update and availability of the Android-based Google Nexus 5. ..."
Or that Judge Wilken agreed with Google that Apple was puppeteering the lawsuits:
"Google demonstrates a direct link between Apple's unique business interests, separate and apart from mere profitmaking, and Defendants' actions against Google and its customers. Google and Apple's rivalry in the smartphone industry is well-documented. Apple's founder stated that he viewed Android as a "rip off" of iPhone features and intended to "destroy" Android by launching a "thermonuclear war." Id., Ex. 31. Defendants' litigation strategy of suing Google's customers in the Halloween actions is consistent with Apple's particular business interests. In suing the Halloween action defendants, Defendants here limited their infringement claims to Android-operating devices only, even where they asserted a hardware-based patent. See, e.g., Dean Decl., Ex. A and the "551 patent. This "scare the customer and run" tactic advances Apple's interest in interfering with Google's Android business. See Campbell, 542 F.3d at 887 (finding jurisdiction where the patentee "took steps to interfere with the plaintiff's business")..."
Or that Apple was forced to lick their wounds:
" ... Apple has decided to end a bitter legal war against Google and Android phone makers, and to turn away from patent tactics that have cost the smartphone industry billions of dollars, according to reports and new court filings.
The news comes in part via a landmark court order in which a federal judge agrees to stay a series of lawsuits between Google and a patent consortium known as [company]Rockstar[/company], that is primarily owned by Apple. ..."
still in denial?
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Interesting... Well, either way, Nokia used to manufacture phones in a factory based in Texas. When people started demanding more features, those jobs went overseas. So it's most likely that case will be heard in Texas.
But the story goes with Nokia's troubles in the past like this- Nokia opened a factory in India. However, something happened where they claimed the intellectual property was based in Europe, and under some sort of accounting rules, Nokia's Auditor made recommendations and stated they didn't necessarily need to pay a certain tax. So in trying to lower costs, Nokia's factory was seized by tax officials in India. Everything else was downhill from there.
This was the real reason why Nokia had major troubles competing against Apple; India wanted it's own companies to succeed.
That will never happen. Apple decided to choose the European GSM standard. It may be an open standard; where documents are easily obtained, but just because the standard is open to peer review doesn't mean it's free. To my knowledge, Apple isn't even a contributor to GSM, 3GSM, 3GSM Americas, the new "5GSM Americas", or a member of any group related to the GSM standards body for that matter. As such, it'll always be a consumer of the effort put forth by the standards body.
Apple really seems to be suffering from the Dunning-Kruger effect.
Those sound like things Apple would try to patent. Like how they patented slide to unlock and pinch to zoom.
About time the biggest patent troll, Apple, gets a taste of its own medicine. Motorola and Nokia pioneered the mobile phone space.
Yep, every intelligent argument begins with "LOL". Thanks for bringing the IQ of this forum down to a level a kindergartener can understand. Your input here is utterly invaluable.
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FYI, Apple ARE already paying licensing fees for the FRAND technology, so be fair and honest about that firstly, but now Nokia want to gouge more money than they have ever been paid through previous licensed agreements. How is it old tech under FRAND, now worth more under new holdings? Answer, it isn't. A scam is a scam is a scam, only a fool believes it isn't, which is why they go to Texas for a totally biased judgement. See my previous response for the proof.
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And if they are so great, where are they now????
Those sound like things Apple would try to patent. Like how they patented slide to unlock and pinch to zoom.
You clearly have no understanding of how the patent laws work, so let me help you. There is trade dress, like colour and look (i.e. Cadbury purple) as well as form and function, then there's pinch to zoom and slide to unlock, which come under intellectual property because they are listed under computer code, which all are legally patented, remembering Samsung lost the lawsuit covering these very things. What was your point again?
Are you blind or something?
I don't see any android OEM there, and I only see Google. And it was Microsoft who used Rockstar and not Apple.
Google better check themselves because they bought Motorola just to sue Apple and their main product (89% of their revenue) uses technology from Rockstar.
Why? don't be lazy. All 8 lawsuits are listed in other parts of FOSS website -- against Samsung, LG, etc. I'm not your baby-sitter; I won't spoon feed you.
Microsoft what? LOL
Ok this is it. You are clearly in denial (which is ok) and are making stuff up (not ok). I have no desire to continue this with a fanboy who makes wildly unsubstantiated claims with absolutely no knowledge of the case or proof. It's just waste of my time. So bye.
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hmm. interesting that the multitouch utility patent was invalidated (prior art) and, though it's too late for Samsung, the slide-to-unlock patent is pretty much dead under the Alice vs CLS ruling (at least Apple won't be able to abuse that patent again).
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Well, it's deplorable if Apple's claim is true. It however seems like Nokia is asserting a lot of non-FRAND patents as well, in which case none of these FRAND hoopla really matters. So it's also likely that Apple is making an empty threat in their desperation to negotiate a better rate, as they often do. Most of these lawsuits settle before going to trial.
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