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Apple designs lately are kinda, well not as wow as they used to be,[/b]

Just your opinion, and a wrong one at that.

Then again, that's just my opinion.

I LOVE the iPhone's look. As well as ALL of the new iPods and the new iMacs as well.

You say Apple's designs are not as "wow", and to you I say "Oh well"... hundreds of thousands of people disagree with you, as they will with me.

Point is that Apple's designs and entire product line has NEVER been better in terms of design, form, functionality, and continuity... yes, IMO.

nokia just flings a bunch of "design" at the wall to see what sticks, and if people don't have the option to get an iPhone for whatever reason, then they're gonna have some of that "design" stuck to them whether it's nokia's or not, and wheteher they like it or not.


this Nokia prototype looks great,

I heard it's not a prototype anymore and that it has gone into production as the nokia "WeBAi" (Wanna Be An iPhone).

can't wait to see the multi-touch landscape in a year. Sad thing is that Apple will likely be behind then :(

Oh, so now you're anticipating that others will see the advantage of multi-touch since Apple has brought it to the masses now, FIRST?

Follow the leader.

BTW, someone actually has to be in front of Apple on multi-touch technology for Apple to be behind anyone, not just talk about it.

Good foresight though ... not.
 
Just your opinion, and a wrong one at that.

Then again, that's just my opinion.

I LOVE the iPhone's look. As well as ALL of the new iPods and the new iMacs as well.

You say Apple's designs are not as "wow", and to you I say "Oh well"... hundreds of thousands of people disagree with you, as they will with me.

You are correct, the beauty of a design is totally and fully opinion. I'm just stating that recently, with the new nano, iMac, keyboard, that those designs haven't had the same wow factor as other products did before. I'm sure you remember the launches of the iMac G5, the mac mini, the mighty mouse, the video iPod and nano, and even the iPhone. They brought extreme hype and universally they were deemed great. Just recently though, people have began to dissent about the current designs. Sure they've grown on me ( I love the look of the new nano now), but just that wow factor wasn't there. But I'm sure for many it was. Industrial design doesn't always mean universally appealing.

Point is that Apple's designs and entire product line has NEVER been better in terms of design, form, functionality, and continuity... yes, IMO.

Apple's industrial design has always been different, better, that's subjective, but for the most part I agree that their design, form, functionality, ect is better, yet my Apple experience has not been about the aesthetics but more about the OS. The iPhone OS is impressive, but just not up to par for me yet, hopefully soon though.

nokia just flings a bunch of "design" at the wall to see what sticks, and if people don't have the option to get an iPhone for whatever reason, then they're gonna have some of that "design" stuck to them whether it's nokia's or not, and wheteher they like it or not.

I heard it's not a prototype anymore and that it has gone into production as the nokia "WeBAi" (Wanna Be An iPhone).
:confused:

Nokia is a huge mobile company in every single market of mobile users, from budget to fashion to music to work to extremely expensive basic phones (vertu/8600 luna). Their whole business is different than Apple's iPhone, I guess comparison doesn't work then. I'm totally confused about the WeBAi if its fake or not and don't want to waste time looking into it, if there's any truth to it though. One thing I'm sure of is that Nokia execs have noticed the iPhone, therefore they are not sitting idly by with multi-touch, they're developing something somewhere and it'll be released sometime in the future. how's that for vague speculation lol.



Oh, so now you're anticipating that others will see the advantage of multi-touch since Apple has brought it to the masses now, FIRST?

Follow the leader.

BTW, someone actually has to be in front of Apple on multi-touch technology for Apple to be behind anyone, not just talk about it.

Good foresight though ... not.

Apple brought MT to the masses first here in the US I guess, the Prada was released before it technically but lets not pick hairs. I'm sure that Samsung, LG, SE, Nokia, HTC and even Moto are following up with similar Multi-touch systems.
Obviously it's not that hard to make it, look at all the chinese knock-offs :rolleyes:.
Samsung components make up for a lot of the iPhone, and their partnership w/ Armani will make their product at least interesting.

I'm almost certain that a year from today there will be more than just the 3-5 MT phones. My assertion that Apple won't be ahead :( which I hope is not true :D:apple: is based on my speculation that Apple won't release an updated iPhone before then and that the other companies will release theirs. I hope that :apple: will release a 3G, increased GB iPhone soon though as there's speculation they will soon before the european release.

Apple is the leader now, but in the global market a year from now, I wouldn't be too sure. But Apple doesn't seem to expand greatly into global markets so that case is somewhat irrelevant.


No matter how baseless your "non-iPhone owning or ever having used one" pure speculation is.

:confused:??? Correct, I've not owned an iPhone, but many of my friends switched contracts to get one on launch week so I've used it more than the average user. I seriously considered getting one, but the only problem is international travel. I'm not too keen on paying for roaming or EDGE abroad, there seems to be a problem with the EDGE downloading ect. ect. that's a different story.
 
:confused:??? Correct, I've not owned an iPhone,...

My apologies walanji. That "non-owning and never having used an iPhone" comment I made was directed at -Trinity-, not you. ;)

This was his/her/it's answer when I asked if he/her/it owned or even used an iPhone and actually tried the multi-touch interaction, both of which he is talking so much trash on:

No, I don't have iPhone. At least not yet.
 
So if I put some link here where other people tell their iPhone experiences, it's totally non-valid information since I don't own it? Your logic is just great.

I guess that you should't say a word about the new Nokia's phone, since you don't own it.

You still haven't told me what are the current real benefits of this awesome multi-touch. How do you benefit from it now? It's just novelty feature now and once the honeymoon is over, people start to realize that it's not so awesome.

You seem to think that Apple is now the leader of mobile business, because they where the first company to introduce multi-touch. Do you think that they will now sell more phones than Nokia? Apple has one phone in their lineup, Nokia has quite many. Thats why they can experiment and produce some strange retro style phone that only appeals to limited crowd. Apple had to make their phone clean and sterile, so that it appeals to maximum amount of buyers. Some might think that it's dull looking. It's all in the eye of the beholder and you cannot argue about the looks.

If you read non-bias reviews of the iPhone, then you'll notice that most of them say that Apples current implementation of multi-touch is really lame. Only zooming?!? Why didn'ty they come up with anything else? Isn't Apple supposed to be innovative and creative company? Apple needed to put some new technology in mobile phone to be able to hype it so much. Speaking of hype, could you also explain me this "full internet" argument.

I can see benefits of multi-touch in big screens (like 3D modeling), but not in small, low resolution mobile phone screen that it used with one hand while other is holding the phone.
 
So if I put some link here where other people tell their iPhone experiences, it's totally non-valid information since I don't own it? Your logic is just great.

Like I said before, their comments will be fact. You nonetheless, and no matter how you try to persuade yourself otherwise, are still just speculating on nothing you know nothing about first hand.

Besides, for every 1 person you might link to who has had or is having a "bad" iPhone experience, I'll have 10 that say how good and revolutionary it is.

It's all in the numbers. There's almost a million iPhone owners now.

So go ahead now (or wait until Apple reaches the 1 millionth mark this month) and give me 100,000 links to people who are dissapointed with the iPhone.

That's 1/10th of all iPhone owners. You better get started.

Lol!

I guess that you should't say a word about the new Nokia's phone, since you don't own it.

FACT: NO nokia (or ANY) phone has a multi-touch interface at this point.

PERIOD.

OPINION/SPECULATION: nokia makes ugly a$$ products no matter how innovative their technologies may be (but no multi-touch? ... archaic compared to Apple)

You still haven't told me what are the current real benefits of this awesome multi-touch. How do you benefit from it now?

No, actually you're just not listening. The verdict is in.

Apparently a lot of us nearly 1 million people who have had our iPhone's for no more than the slightly over 2 months it's been available, and we'll be joined by hundreds of thousands more between now and the end of the year, like the ability to pinch and zoom fluidly using 2 fingers.

It's a huge advantage to have an opposable finger like the thumb.

As a matter of fact, it's evolutionary and revolutionary.

Just like Apple.

It's just novelty feature now and once the honeymoon is over, people start to realize that it's not so awesome.

Really? Then why is nokia talking about how it's going to do (sometime next year) what Apple has already done? And they haven't even mentioned multi-touch. Their promo video just shows antiquated single-touch useage.

This is gonna be one long honeymoon.

It seems to me that Apple, and being the followers that they are, the rest of the industry, is just getting started with multi-touch technology.

Welcome the new iPod touch:

Like I said in a previous post: "Any bets on whether we'll have multi-touch Macs by 2008 if not sooner?"

I don't know what all of the benefits of multi-touch are. Neither do you.

One things pretty obvious though for those with common sense.

It's here to stay.

Multi-touch finger input today. Multi-touch hand input for larger devices tomorrow.

You seem to think that Apple is now the leader of mobile business, because they where the first company to introduce multi-touch.
Nope.

That's just what you want to make yourself believe that I believe.

They're nowhere near being the leader, nor do I expect them to be. They don't even expect to be the leader themselves.

But that won't keep them from trying, and with that attempt, we will see new innovations on the level of multi-touch technology brought to the masses by them AND others.

The only thing that I "think", nay... the only thing that I "know" in all of this is highlighted in bold below:

You seem to think that Apple is now the leader of mobile business, because they where the first company to introduce multi-touch.
In a small form factor, mass marketed mobile communications device, to be exact.

Do you think that they will now sell more phones than Nokia? Apple has one phone in their lineup, Nokia has quite many.

Again, nokia is undoubtedly the leader in TRADITIONAL mobile phone sales, and because they were unchecked, they could get away with selling the tasteless junk that they do more often than not (I'll refer you to the "interesting" pictures of nokia's "design" accomplishments earlier in this thread).

Apple's been in the phone game for 2 months and 1 week and will have sold 1 million of it's only phone product in less than 3 months with that product currently only being available in the U.S.

I ask you again, has ANY mobile phone manufacturer sold 1 million phones of 1 model in a 3 month period? Even if it's the market leader WITH international distribution? I'm waiting... (I'm actually interested in this as I do not know the answer).

Apple's innovations and IMO superior design style will only make things better for everyone, including themselves, competitors, and customers.

Look at the success of the LG Chocolate and it's "cool design". The success of that phone is in LARGE part because they incorporated the familiar Apple iPod click-wheel design.

Also, the iPhone is now marketed pricewise towards the mid-market mobile phone consumer at $399 (despite it's initial premium pricing).

I'd say that there is plenty of room for Apple to introduce something like an "iPhone Pro" at the old iPhone price point with lots of the features that people were initially complaining that the iPhone lacked.

How about an "iPhone mini" to take on the lower end consumer market.

Pay close attention to how Apple's iPod line has evolved over the past 6 years, because the iPhone line will do the same thing in less than half that time.

Bet on it.

Thats why they can experiment and produce some strange retro style phone that only appeals to limited crowd. Apple had to make their phone clean and sterile, so that it appeals to maximum amount of buyers. Some might think that it's dull looking. It's all in the eye of the beholder and you cannot argue about the looks.

Limited crowd? LOL!

Gee... I wonder what will happen when the "iPod touch" ships worldwide this month. I wonder if Apple is going to use it to introduce multi-touch input to the rest of the world before it introduces the iPhone to the the UK, Germany and France before the holidays.

Everyone's been playing checkers, and now Apple's come into the game and changed it to chess.

You have to be able to play a thinking man's game to beat a thinking man.

And everyone knows that Apple likes to Think Different.

I see that you're a newbie here on MacRumors, so I'll give you a quick lesson about Apple's design philosophy:

"Minimalist design, superior functionality".

Learn it and understand it.

Apple has proven that it works. Just look at the hundreds of thousands of U.S. iPhone owners that it has created in only 9 weeks, as well as the tens of million Mac users and 110 million iPod users worldwide.

There's a reason that Apple and it's Johnathon Ives consistently win design awards internationally, and also why most other technology companies do one of 2 things: a) copy Apple, or b) make ugly junk.

If you read non-bias reviews of the iPhone, then you'll notice that most of them say that Apples current implementation of multi-touch is really lame. Only zooming?!? Why didn'ty they come up with anything else? Isn't Apple supposed to be innovative and creative company?

Seriously, you need some mature perspective.

That argument is like me getting mad at a company that makes the first (whatever) that gets immediately accepted by an unprecedented amount of people, is it's first (whatever) in (whatever) market, and the only (whatever) available of it's kind, but I'm not happy because (whatever) could be better even though there's nothing else like it.

The iPhone, like many of Apple's products, is REVOLUTIONARY. First and foremost though, it's EVOLUTIONARY.

Why would they need to worry about doing more right now, when ALL of the competition is still doing less?

Do you really think that they don't have other multi-touch features either already finished or in development?

If you don't, then you (just like much of the competition) just don't "get" Apple. And that's how they like it.

A key factor in battle is the element of surprise.

Multi-touch input, even in it's current encarnation which is limited to zooming, was only Apple's first revolutionary revelation. More will be revealed when the competition tries to catch up.

Until then, Apple has NO reason to reveal anything.

Apple needed to put some new technology in mobile phone to be able to hype it so much.

Yeah. That's why Apple "put some new technology" in the iPhone... for the hype. :rolleyes:

Apple developed and FIRST implemented new multi-touch technology into it's new device for one simple reason... it could.

No one else can say that, because no one else has.

I'd prefer Apple's useful innovative technology over nokia's useless nasty "design" (colors and form factors) to "hype" a product anyday.

Speaking of hype, could you also explain me this "full internet" argument.

Web pages look the way they should on the iPhone, which is just like how they look on people's computers: http://www.apple.com/iphone/internet/features.html?feature=safari

Not simple, dumbed down versions of the internet like only RSS feeds, text versions, or whatever.

I can see benefits of multi-touch in big screens (like 3D modeling), but not in small, low resolution mobile phone screen that it used with one hand while other is holding the phone.

I owned a Treo650 a couple of years ago, and guess what? Whenever I had to text with it, I had to use both hands. Whenever I see people using Sidekicks or many other devices, they're all using 2 hands as well.

With my iPhone, I only use one hand to hold the phone and use my thumb on that same hand to hit the onscreen keys. I remember texting friends that had also bought iPhones the weekend of the iPhone's release.

The majority of us had mastered the iPhone's keyboard within the first 48 hours using 2 hands (one to hold it and the index finger of the other to type).

Within a couple of days of that, most of us had mastered single handed text input using our thumb.

Of course, only people that have actually bought or used an iPhone (So you obviously can't -Trinity-) can verify that this is incredibly easy, and this makes your main argument about needing 2 hands to use the iPhone fall flat on it's face.

In regards to your comment about seeing multi-touch being useful with large displays, here.
 
You cannot call Ericsson's or Nokia's garbage without these companies your iphone would never exist. These companies have pushed out real technology, read GSM, Bluetooth etc. etc.

PLEASE do not bitch about your overpriced nokia with a 2 year contract, get on a real network with competative rates and terms, Nokia or Ericsson don't dictate the contracts you lock into, only Apple has done this for some idiotic reason.

Plus Nokia will outsell the iPhone with theirs, thats a guarantee, seeing as they can deploy world wide in the blink of an eye.

That being said, i love the itunes store, i've bought too many tracks to switch now, i love the integration and the wifi store looks awesome, i'd probably get one if it had 3G when it comes to Europe.
 
Damn. I wrote a long reply but it went to /dev/null because one bad click of the back button. Now I'm too tired of this HC fan boy. Here's short reply:

So go ahead now (or wait until Apple reaches the 1 millionth mark this month) and give me 100,000 links to people who are dissapointed with the iPhone.

That's just stupid... Do you think that every average Joe that bought the phone wrote a review of it. Search the apple forums and you'll find a ****load of posts about unresponsive touchscreen. And it's just a tip of an iceberg. MyOrigo's touchscreen lasted at least three months. The iPhone's screen showed symptoms right after the release. Who knows if we have an epidemic in our hands after 6 months.

FACT: NO nokia (or ANY) phone has a multi-touch interface at this point.

Thank god for that. I really wish that Nokia doesn't ruin it's new phone with multi-touch that has no proper uses in PHONE. Or maybe Nokia rides the multi-touch hypewave that was paid by Apple. What if they can do what Apple couldn't and figure out some real benefits of the multi-touch. Then Apple will be remembered as company that introduced the multi-touch, but was too dumb to use it properly. That would be a hard blow for a HC fan boy.

I ask you again, has ANY mobile phone manufacturer sold 1 million phones of 1 model in a 3 month period? Even if it's the market leader WITH international distribution? I'm waiting...
I dunno. Maybe Apple made a record here, but what's your point. In the end Nokia will sell more phones in Q/year. Only reason Apple sold so well is because the iPhone was more hyped and advertised than any product ever. Didn't Apple fake the numbers by including sold accessories as well? And does the numbers include the retuned phones also?

Pay close attention to how Apple's iPod line has evolved over the past 6 years, because the iPhone line will do the same thing in less than half that time.

Sorry but I don't know anything about iPods. Why should I care about iPods? I have some cheap 2GB player size of USB memorystick (works as memorystick) that plays OGGs and has radio. I don't really need it (because of my phone) so now my wife is using it now. iPods still can't play OGGs? Does they offer radio? I'm sure that Apple wants to release new iPhone version with small upgrades as often as possible and get money from the Cult of Apple.

Multi-touch input, even in it's current encarnation which is limited to zooming, was only Apple's first revolutionary revelation. More will be revealed when the competition tries to catch up.

BINGO!!! Now you admit that multi-touch is pretty much useless.

It's quite funny how your original agenda was "it's all about the OS" After we established the fact the the simplified finger use OS was done before the iPhone, you agenda suddenly switched to multi-touch. Not a word about the OS after that. Seven posts about how HUGE and important the multi-touch is and then you finally say the truth.

I don't give a **** what Apple may or may not implement in future. We are living in today. Unless you can give me exact date when some feature will be released and what that feature does. Otherwise your just speculating again and I can always counter-speculate that Nokia's new phone will kick iPhone's ass in every aspect, including multi-touch features.

Limited crowd? LOL!

I was referring to Nokia, so please read the whole chapter before posting your LOLs.

Web pages look the way they should on the iPhone, which is just like how they look on people's computers: http://www.apple.com/iphone/internet/features.html?feature=safari

Not simple, dumbed down versions of the internet like only RSS feeds, text versions, or whatever.

Really?!? And no other mobile phone can do this?

I guess that my year old phone has "not full internet". Yesterday I enjoyed this page with my phone: http://www.ianai.net/jokes/bubble.swf
How well does is work with "full internet" iPhone? I also think that "internet" is more than just browsing web pages. Let's see what my old "not full internet" phone can do. I can:
-download file from the net like with desktop browsers.
-upload files to the net like with desktop browsers.
-sent email attachements other than pics and more than one per email.
-instant messaging and ability to send files to contacts.
-audio/video streaming
-telnet/SSH/(S)FTP/SCP/VNC
-bit torrent
-VoIP
-printing over network
(actually my 5 years old "definitely not full internet" phone could do most of this)

I'm sure that "full internet" iPhone can do all of this and even more. Good example of Apple's BS advertising.

And don't tell me that your iSaviour SJ will descend from heavens with an update that fixes all. Let's try to live now and not fantasize about better iFuture.

Of course, only people that have actually bought or used an iPhone (So you obviously can't -Trinity-) can verify that this is incredibly easy, and this makes your main argument about needing 2 hands to use the iPhone fall flat on it's face.

Did I say that you cannot use iPhone with one hand?!? I was refering to the general multi-touch features on big screen that are normally used with two hands of even 4 or 6 (multiple users). I would like to see how you pinch zoom in & out with one hand while holding the phone vertically. Do you glue the phone to your hand?

I often see kids driving a bicycle and writing text messages with one hand without constantly looking at the phone. Big advantage of num pad. Try to type with iPhone without looking. This actually can be done with touchscreen at certain level. Why didn't Apple include something like tenGo style text input. They already have the needed dictionary.
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I have in my phone same kind of predicting, auto-corecting, learning keyboard that the iPhone has. I find it very easy to use even with one hand. I also have landscape full screen keyboard with big buttons, but I think that the tenGo style typing is faster and easier as long as I use normal words and not slang.

Then I also have handwriting recognition that works pretty good with my handwriting, but I don't use it so much since it always requires two hands and stylus. Others don't.

Of course the handwritten notes (like painting with stylus) offer me the easiest way to make notes without looking what I'm scribbling. I use this lot in meetings and when making shopping lists or when i have to write some number down quickly and without typing errors.

Speaking of easy usage... How do you know that the iPhone is easier to use then for example... my phone? You don't even know what my phone is because I haven't told you. At least my touchscreen phone does now almost everything that all the iPhone fan boys are crying after in the "most wanted iPhone feature" threads. It's smaller than iPhone, all black with little chrome, comes with great controlls for gaming and is quite slim since there is no hardware keyboard. It has also nice totally customized interface, with big icons for all major application (in 5 tabs).

How do you know that it's not much better than iPhone?!? I had the freedom of choice when I selected my phone. I guess you didn't.

Now I'm tired of this BS, so I'll ask you to go to here to continue the original "who copied who" conversation:
http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/29/nokias-iphone-no-seriously/

Engadget conversation is full of Apple fan boys who think that Apple invented PC, GUI, mouse, MP3, touchscreen, USB and pretty much everything. These fan boys get shot down pretty quickly.

BTW. What does the video got to do with Apple? It's not Apple's tech demo. And how many PRACTICAL uses do you see even for big screen in that video? Most of them is just cool not practical stuff. 3D Studio MAX with touchscreen interface would be usefull for me. But all the usefull stuff are not usable in mobile phones.
 
I ask you again, has ANY mobile phone manufacturer sold 1 million phones of 1 model in a 3 month period? Even if it's the market leader WITH international distribution? I'm waiting... (I'm actually interested in this as I do not know the answer).
Didn't see this question before but the answer is: yes. For example the Nokia 1100 (introduced late 2003) has sold over 200 million. That's 200 million in 48 months which means about 4,5 million per month. Razr sold in its first two years 50 million so about 2 million per month.
 
I still really don't understand how exactly this is Apple's invention? Multitouch technology has been around for about 25 years already and pinch/zoom with fingers -funtion about 10 years.

http://www.billbuxton.com/multitouchOverview.html

(see T3)

Interesting... So Apple didn't make the first multi-touch phone. Well, who cares... I think it's totally irrelevant who made the first phone, since the technology is older than the sun. But someone here seems to think that is't the most importaint thing.
 
What a boring thread, filled with useless info. It's common knowledge that the iPhone has broken all records ever set by any cellphone. And it has the highest customer satisfaction of any product Apple has released. Check Reuters. Some people will never get it, and that's fine. Some people think we faked the moon landings as well.
 
That MyOrigo technology sucked because of a major factor; it was based on heat chemical deposition and heat detection input. The similarities between the manner in one input on that device and the iPhone is what caused that unfounded rumor that Apple bought the technology from "a finnish firm":

Actually, this information is simply false. The MyOrigo phone did never use this kind of "heat sensing" technology in its touchscreen. It didn't use the capacitive touchscreen technology that iPhone uses, either. Instead it used a very cheap and simple technology: four pressure sensors on the display corners, which will not enable any multi-touch functionality nor a very precise location of the touch point.

It seems also likely that Windsor is not a very technical analyst, as this kind of heat-sensitive touchscreen technology is not known at all in the industry...


"But the source of the new brouhaha is London-based analyst Richard Windsor of Nomura International.

In his note, Windsor told clients that Apple bought rights to the screen technology by a Finnish firm that also saw the problem where usage sometimes led to dead areas over time."

I've recently talked to a former employee of MyOrigo and according to him Apple hasn't actually paid anything of the patented innovations that were used in MyOrigo, which has made the patent owners quite angry. Perhaps Windsor has gotten his false information from Apple, for obvious reasons.

But iPhone is still an astonishing device, even with its limited SMS/MMS messaging functionality.
 
Reuters, read the article from a few days ago. Surprised you haven't heard these statistics as they have been on all the major news networks as well.
The latest iPhone article from Reuters I could find is from Sep 07. No mention of any records on that in that one.

I did find this though: ""While iSuppli has not collected historical information on this topic, it's likely that the speed of the iPhone's rise to competitive dominance in its segment is unprecedented in the history of the mobile-handset market," iSuppli said.". Is this what You're talking about?
 
I thought this was nokia's answer to the iphone. If you ask me, they are kind of ripping off motorola. I heard that microsoft might be interested in replacing their Zune line with this model as they think it has more of an ipod feel to it


HA !!:D
 

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ugh...i cant remember the name, but I saw a phone that had a GUI just like the iphone's GUI. I can't remember the brans though :(
 
ugh...i cant remember the name, but I saw a phone that had a GUI just like the iphone's GUI. I can't remember the brans though :(

I saw a computer with exactly the same interface as MacOSX the other day. I think it was called Vista or something.

:)

I think you might get my point.
 
It might not be the one, there was one that looked even closer i think. Just google Touch Screen Cell Phone:eek:
 
Nokia will always be!

hmmm, nokia copy's everyone? not true! there the biggest phone company in the world! Nokia is just trying to make there technology better, with a true response touch screen, they have been working on touchscreen technology years before apple even though of an iphone, symbian is just structurally based on keypad input. I think the iphone looks amazing but compare it, build wise, to any Nokia phone and it will get blown out of the water x10! I hope Nokia releases a phone like the iphone because i know they will release it unlocked to all networks, unlike the iphone, i use all apple! desktop/laptop/ipod and really want an iphone for its data and texting! but its voice, unlike anything Nokia, is not that amazing.

-Mike
 
Sham on Nokia

I m shocked after the release of iphone. Apple is not a mobile manufacturing company whereas nokia is big leading mobile company. The features introduced by apple in iphone r big blast which they showed in their first model only. Now nokia is copying. Shamfull my frnds. Where is the originality. U can buy N95 chinese for less then 150usd, which is copy of Nokia N95. This is where nokia stands. Copying the products. No new idea of their own. Poor very Poor...
 
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