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Nokia's New.... iPhone?
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You should salesman for Apple. You can really make it sound like apple invented everything from telephone to multi-touchscreen. You repeat Apple's add-slogans like brainwashed zombie. I'm sure that SJ is very proud of you and he'll send you a cookie. But I'm suprised that you haven't yet used "less is more".
No, I don't have iPhone. At least not yet. Current version of iPhone would leave me crippled in my work and life, so it's not even option for me. And I'm not speculating. I'm presenting issues that other "beta testers" of the iPhone have found out. You are speculating:
In other words: YOU DON'T KNOW! You're just speculating that the multi-touch might be great in future. I can also predict that Nokia's next touchscreen phone allows people to teleport from place X to place Y. Just as valid claim as yours.
You failed to tell me the real benefits that it's offering NOW. So could you please list the benefits and reasons why I should dump the stylus in favour of the multi-touch.
If it's so fluid, then why iPhone users had to come up with easier way to do it? MacRumors had at least one thread about this. Basicly the trick was to touch bottom left side of the screen with your left thumb and then use right hand finger to zoom. This is exactly same thing that I do. I press a button just below the screen to activate zoom mode and slide finger on screen. Same result, no multi-touch.
No, I don't have iPhone. At least not yet. Current version of iPhone would leave me crippled in my work and life, so it's not even option for me. And I'm not speculating. I'm presenting issues that other "beta testers" of the iPhone have found out. You are speculating:
In other words: YOU DON'T KNOW! You're just speculating that the multi-touch might be great in future. I can also predict that Nokia's next touchscreen phone allows people to teleport from place X to place Y. Just as valid claim as yours.
You failed to tell me the real benefits that it's offering NOW. So could you please list the benefits and reasons why I should dump the stylus in favour of the multi-touch.
If it's so fluid, then why iPhone users had to come up with easier way to do it? MacRumors had at least one thread about this. Basicly the trick was to touch bottom left side of the screen with your left thumb and then use right hand finger to zoom. This is exactly same thing that I do. I press a button just below the screen to activate zoom mode and slide finger on screen. Same result, no multi-touch.
Why the fuss over something that is fake?
It has been posted once or twice already and for some reason is being ignored by the people involved in a few catfights here, but it bares repeating.....
THIS IS A FAKE!!!
Its not a real working prototype. Nokia has admitted it already. Sadly, if your gonna use special effects to try to hype something you can't even make yet, you should of hired a better effects house to spice up your ad. Really makes you think.
So in the end, there is no challenge yet to the iPhone's interface and design that is going to be on the market anytime soon. They are coming, for sure, but everyone can settle down now ok!
It has been posted once or twice already and for some reason is being ignored by the people involved in a few catfights here, but it bares repeating.....
THIS IS A FAKE!!!
Its not a real working prototype. Nokia has admitted it already. Sadly, if your gonna use special effects to try to hype something you can't even make yet, you should of hired a better effects house to spice up your ad. Really makes you think.
So in the end, there is no challenge yet to the iPhone's interface and design that is going to be on the market anytime soon. They are coming, for sure, but everyone can settle down now ok!
I don't know what method you are describing, but it only takes one hand to zoom in or out on the iPhone. Its a pinching motion...I don't know anyone that pinches with two hands.
I don't think anyone is saying Apple invented the wheel with the iPhone, well anyone educated at least, but they did re-invent the wheel here. Thats a honest assessment. The interface for a touch screen product is the single most important part of the experience.
In the modern age there is a rarely a product that is truly inventive, most use a combination of other companies technologies mixed in with their own to create something unique. The link you keep providing for the MyOrigo is hardly a never before seen device. Yes, it was something unique, but still borrowed and expanded on other technologies available to them. There may be some unique invention wrapped in there, but it is what it is.
You actually want to compare Apple's history with Nokia?
Please lets not compare invention and innovation with Apple and Nokia. Its a loosing argument on your part.
I was refering to this: https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/332946/
You mean that you can do the pinching move with same hand that holds the phone? Other hand totally free? I tried to simulate this acrobatic move and almost dropped my phone.
who cares
who cares if nokia copied, maybe we will get a cheaper unlocked phone at the same specs, surely thats a good thing
who cares if nokia copied, maybe we will get a cheaper unlocked phone at the same specs, surely thats a good thing
Completely, 100% IRRELEVANT! Or are you now saying that iPhone is so damn innovative because it looks pretty? Is THAT the core of Apple's innovation: that their phone is pretty?
Fact of the matter is that the tech iPhone has is old. MyOrigo had it in 2003! And Apple has the benefit of having 4 extra years of technological progress to draw from, MyOrigo did not.
Again: COMPETELY, 100% IRRELEVANT!!!!!!!!!!
Now you are whining about their name? If you have nothing relevant to say, then don't say anything.
was surely Apple's inspiration ...... for what NOT to do, if anything.
So one of Apple's much-touted feature in iPhione is accelerometers. And back in 2003 we had a company designing a cell-phone that had accelerometers and they used it in a very similar way as Apple uses them in iPhone. Yet you have the nerve to claim that Apple is the trailblazer here, and that no-one did accelerometers before them? Fact is that accelerometers were being used back in 2003!
Again: MyOrigo was among the first to try something like that. Apparently Apple bought their tech, so they had access to their R&D AND they had four years of additional technological progress to draw from. MyOrigo had none of those benefits.
You simply cannot claim that Apple did this first, when fact is that they did not.
And MyOrigo had this four years ago.....
Hmmmmm....
So, you are saying that if a device has a large touchscreen, it's a copy of iPhone? In that case I would say that iPhone is a copy of Nokia 770 or any other touchscreen-device Nokia (or anyone else for that matter) released long before Apple released iPhone.
MyOrigo was most likely too far ahead to make it work properly. There had to be few more years of technological progress in order to make it work. MyOrigo did not have that luxury, Apple did.
And fact remains that even though you are trying to paint Apple as the great innovator here, the fact remains that the concept is at least four years old.
All you have to do is touch the top right of the screen with your index finger and use your thumb...one handed. Like a "C" shape with your right hand or reversed with the left. Ummmm. I can't believe there was a forum thread for that!
Ummm, NO. See my previous post....and maybe try using the phone.
Oh, I forgot. Your MyOrigo or whatever, surely was something that could only be used with one hand entirely, because thats such an important quality in a phone and because that phone was soooo far ahead of its time. I am sure it didn't recycle any other technology being used at the time or didn't improve on existing hardware and software available to them.
Where can I get one of those again? Oh yeah, I can't, because they were clunky and awkward, the user interface was garbage.
Clearly, that Apple can create a powerful OS and design a interface that is both easy to use and beautiful IS innovative. Something the MyOrigo group clearly couldn't do.
Fact of the matter is that MyOrigo was not the first touch screen phone either. Touch screens were not new in 2003. The first Palm had a touch screen.
Fact is accelerometers have been around forever! Maybe MyOrigo was the first to put one in a cell phone, I am not even sure about that, either way, who cares? They never brought it to market and the company went under? Why are we even talking about a company that never even put their product out? It was maybe a great idea, but thats it.
There is no concrete proof that Apple bought their technology. Anyway, even if they did, that is common practice. Why would that be seen as a negative? The fact is that the iPhone is the FIRST phone to bring this kind of interface to the mass market. Others may have tried and failed. Others may be working on their own version. IT DOESN'T MATTER ANYMORE. It been done and exposed to the world.
The design argument is pointless. Tell me how you would design a touch screen device? Hmmmm would it be anything else than a brick or rectangle shape? EXACTLY, it wouldn't be. There is a reason all these phones look similar, because common sense tells us that its the most functional design.
Been on the internet lately, or even eBay??
There are a lot of $600.00 plus cell phones out there for anyone to purchase!
Including Nokia, and Sony/Ericsson! And more.......
There are a lot of $600.00 plus cell phones out there for anyone to purchase!
Including Nokia, and Sony/Ericsson! And more.......
Pink = Gay!
Give me a break will you? Stereo typing a group of people like this is unintelligent and demeaning to others! Not ALL GAY people wear pink, wear dresses, or makeup! (The list is endless.) Some people are very 'macho' and straight acting, you would NEVER know what their preferences in the bedroom, or who they are in love with is!!!!! There is much more to a person that ISN'T ALL ABOUT sexual preferences!
Give me a break will you? Stereo typing a group of people like this is unintelligent and demeaning to others! Not ALL GAY people wear pink, wear dresses, or makeup! (The list is endless.) Some people are very 'macho' and straight acting, you would NEVER know what their preferences in the bedroom, or who they are in love with is!!!!! There is much more to a person that ISN'T ALL ABOUT sexual preferences!
Nokia make the worlds UGLIEST phones, they exude bad taste, and lack in style.
They cant help skewing the number buttons all over the place, in a sad attempt to make their phones look 'funky'. Here are some of my favorites...
Lets not forget this absolute classic...
They cant help skewing the number buttons all over the place, in a sad attempt to make their phones look 'funky'. Here are some of my favorites...
Lets not forget this absolute classic...
He didn't ask how many $600 cell phones were out there, but how many people have $600 for a cell phone. Quite a difference there. Yes, there are a lot of expensive cell phones (even much more than $600), but they make up a very small percentage of the cell phone market.
No. Where did I say I wanted to do that? I simply answered MacQuest's claim about Nokia's history.mrrydogg said:
Nokia make the worlds UGLIEST phones, they exude bad taste, and lack in style.
They cant help skewing the number buttons all over the place, in a sad attempt to make their phones look 'funky'. Here are some of my favorites...
Lets not forget this absolute classic...
those were released?! i do recall seeing one of those phones... but overall, they're all quite disturbing... the jetsons-future aesthetic should never be taken seriously... thanks for the post, it's nice to see a selection of nokia's work... that last phone seems like it would be quite the conversation piece...
THAT IS ALL SHE WROTE.
Ah geez...
You really don't see how talking about something that you don't have first hand experience with is "speculation", especially when you're commenting on other people's first hand experience?
Don't talk about what you don't know about first hand and try to pass it off as "presenting issues", because what you're relaying from those "beta testers" is in fact, "fact", because they are speaking from first hand account.
You, Einstein, are just speculating on their fact.
Now go sit in your corner, face the wall, and put your big pointy hat on because it matches that t-shirt your wearing of your favorite movie that sums you up, "Clueless".
Yup.
So is Apple and hundreds of thousands of iPhone (you know, the FIRST and ONLY small form factor mobile device with multi-touch technology) owners - soon to be a million in under 3 months (has nokia or any other established mobile phone manufacturer ever reached that milestone in that short amount of time? Apple will.) - and soon to be millions of "iPod touch" owners:
http://www.apple.com/ipodtouch/
Any bets on whether we'll see multi-touch Mac computers by 2008? ... of course, followed closely by other computer manufacturers saying that soon they'll be able to do what Apple's products already can.
"I'm not responsible for other people's lack of foresight, much less their ignorance." - Me
That's my personal quote from 2001 when I was working as a Mac/Novell/windows network administrator for XEROX (a TRULY innovative company as well, but Apple was smarter about how they could implement Xerox's mouse and GUI obviously ... sounds like myOrigi doesn't it? They failed but Apple succeeded because they took existing technology - myOrigi's or whoever's touch interface - and made it better - Apple's multi-touch technology) when I bought my 1st gen 5Gb iPod and everyone was telling me that it was "doomed to fail" for many reasons.
Suckaz!!!
...it's nice to see a selection of nokia's work... that last phone seems like it would be quite the conversation piece...
Yeah. Apple had a converstion about all of those nokia phones and myOrigo's "myDevice".
It started out like this:
Steve Jobs: "Now these are examples of what we DON'T want to do because we here at Apple have class, style, and true innovations that redefine and even create new markets..."
If I recall correctly, the reason why the board of directors got rid of Jobs was because he was too cocky. Then he wrote many places about how Pixar and rebuilding Apple humbled him and gave him vision and perspective. It sounds like he's getting a little cocky again. But at least now he has the fanbase to do and say stuff like this. just a couple of days ago I remember people yelling "Apple would never release an ugly Nano like that stubby thing" ect. ect. well it happened and I hear "it's not so bad after all". Uggghhhhh, fan loyalty to the extreme. I'm so glad about the price drop, but that will likely put the Nokia in another league. I'm glad that Apple has changed the landscape here in the States, but whatever others have said, Nokia isn't stupid, their designs sell abroad ALOT.
Apple designs lately are kinda, well not as wow as they used to be, this Nokia prototype looks great, can't wait to see the multi-touch landscape in a year. Sad thing is that Apple will likely be behind then