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North Dakota Senate Shoots Down App Store Bill Apple Said Would 'Destroy the iPhone'

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The North Dakota Senate today voted no on a new bill that would have paved the way for third-party app store options...
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Third party app store options are already available and getting more powerful each year.

For example.

  1. Tap Safari
  2. Navigate to the Starbucks App
    1. https://app.starbucks.com
  3. Add to Home Screen
  4. Tap newly installed Starbucks "app" (actually a PWA )
    1. Notice the fullscreen effect
    2. Even handles offline modestly well.
You now have a fully functioning progressive web app installed on your device.
You can even install it as a complete application using Chrome or Brave.
  1. Same story, navigate to https://app.starbucks.com
  2. Click the settings hamburger bar ( top right Brave )
  3. Install Starbucks
  4. Starbucks 'app' now available within Mac App Launcher

Been writing software this way for 5+ years now (started this sort of work late 2016).
 
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jmgregory1 said:
I’d go further and question this state senator what exactly he meant by devastating monopolistic fees that big tech companies impose? If this is indeed about the 30% cut that Apple takes (for running the App Store, collecting payment, marketing, etc.), shouldn’t he be questioning why Target takes 65+% for products they sell, since that seems like more of an issue given they sell basic living products like food, clothes and medicine, not just apps? I mean, they might as well just go after the entire free market economy itself and impose restrictions on what a company can make profitability-wise. I’m sure that would really go over well in ND. Might be a good way of eliminating ND entirely and having it become part of SD, as it should be anyway.

The stupidity of so many in politics today, or their praying on the stupidity of their constituents, is disgusting.
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Exactly. 30% may seem like alot but I doubt any indie developer could stomach the AWS bills when their app takes off. By making it a flat percentage it's far easier, and what would probably happen is an independent app store would crop up, charge 30% to do all the things Apple does.

Also yes, as someone who works for a large international retailer who creates products and operates stores, our desired margin on all products is 67%. That doesn't mean we're screwing the company that's actually making the product, it's just how the industry works, and if there wasn't that big margin, I assume there'd be way fewer of us with jobs because they couldn't afford the salaries, Macs, offices, warehouses, delivery trucks etc.
The money has to come from somewhere.
 
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GubbyMan said:
I just want iOS to be as open as macOS. I don’t understand why so many people think it’s ok that iOS is locked down but that locking down macOS to the same degree would be catastrophic.
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The way it is going, I believe Apple will soon block the slideloading on macOS too.
As present Apple is always suggesting Mac App-Store to the developers and the end-users.
 
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farewelwilliams said:
Sorry, what? DHH has no clue.

Without taking a cut, the App Store wouldn't exist for you to upload your app to. And we'll all be running around with crummy "web apps", reducing your revenue and shutting down your company because no one wants to use that on a phone.

Apple made you DHH, you self entitled greedy developer.
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That is what I do not get. Apple is taking a cut so that they can give you a petabyte of storage, advertising, hosting, ect. If you do not want to pay it, build a web app and host it yourself.
 
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GubbyMan said:
I just want iOS to be as open as macOS. I don’t understand why so many people think it’s ok that iOS is locked down but that locking down macOS to the same degree would be catastrophic.
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I know its been said before. If you get a bad app or malicious app on you macOS device at worse you lose data or photos.

iOS powers phones (and iPads) and for a lot of people it’s their only device they communicate on via voice, no home phone line anymore. So let’s say you download a app not from a store and your out with your kid and the car breaks down or your kid has a seizure and you go to call for help. You hit 911 and send and the phone crashes....you reboot under all this stress and try again and it crashes again. You finally get help and later find out that this app has been causing crashes. You going after the app maker or Apple for letting it be installed on your phone.

this is why it’s locked down in my opinion.
 
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Good. If developers have the choice to take their apps out of the App Store and not be beholden to Apple’s fees, guidelines, and regulations, they’re going to. The App Store will become more and more sparse and who knows what shady practices and privacy violations the non-app store apps that we download will be committing. Not to mention the poorer quality.

Theoretically it would be great for us customers if all Mac applications had to be bought/downloaded from the Mac App Store too, but with the philosophy behind Mac being a more flexible software platform, I imagine it would be much harder to regulate.
 
Cosmosent said:
It does NOT change the fact that Apple has a Monopoly & a Complete & Total Stranglehold on App Discovery !

Ask yourself, why does the Today tab of Apple's App Store App NOT offer filters (i,e., switches) for filtering Off Game Apps AND/OR Apple Arcade ?

So that they can continue to Control the Narrative !

Both Users & App Devs will benefit significantly when that changes !

The ONLY alternative I know of, is for Apple to offer a 2nd App Store, one focused on Adults.
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Exactly, Walmart and Target are doing the exact same thing, They control where they put items in their stores and it needs to stop. I have to walk all the way to the back of the store to get milk, a product that they know most everyone needs, then I have to walk past all the other products in their store just to get what I need. It's even worse when it comes to taking kids into the store, All the kid cereals are at eye level with kids. Same thing when my kids open the AppStore on their phones, its all games, and then my kids are like "Can I get this game, Dad?". Its as if these companies build these stores, to make it easier for customers to get stuff, but then they try and make money off of their customers. Its disgusting. /s
 
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Cosmosent said:
It does NOT change the fact that Apple has a Monopoly & a Complete & Total Stranglehold on App Discovery !

Ask yourself, why does the Today tab of Apple's App Store App NOT offer filters (i,e., switches) for filtering Off Game Apps AND/OR Apple Arcade ?

So that they can continue to Control the Narrative !

Both Users & App Devs will benefit significantly when that changes !

The ONLY alternative I know of, is for Apple to offer a 2nd App Store, one focused on Adults.
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Don't read the Today tab, if you don't like it! There are millions of apps and many people don't want to/are too lazy to look for themselves. The Today tab helps them.

If you don't like what Apple is doing, go to Android or Amazon. Someone else may ease your frustrations.
 
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GubbyMan said:
I just want iOS to be as open as macOS. I don’t understand why so many people think it’s ok that iOS is locked down but that locking down macOS to the same degree would be catastrophic.
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I don't....I want it to be wayyy more secure and locked down. It has much more personal and financial data on it. The computer does not have my "wallet" with every credit card, debit card, membership card. Insurance information, etc. I don't really give a s**t how risk averse android users are...seemingly okay with viruses and trojans from the "Google play store". I think any app should at least go through Apple's vetting process for safety and I suspect the vast majority of iPhone users feel the same. I think the majority of people complaining are the "side loader, gamers and I suspect they are actually in the minority*

*Disclaimer.....I could be wrong.
 
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DHH and Tim Sweeney have to keep throwing their tantrums or people will forget who they are again.

I had never even heard of either of them before they start whining about Apple.
 
JDuggan said:
It's fine to hate DHH but hardly appropriate to call him a "knuckle-dragger." The guy invented Ruby on Rails.
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There is no possible way to have a safe open mobile OS 👏

If you had an open mobile OS and sideloading your phone will be full of malware 👏👏

And Apple will not be liable to protect you 👏👏👏

Your data will be stolen, you will be tracked by many companies, if you step out of line with your opinions they will sell your data to regimes, politicians and companies who will send a hit man to kill you 👎

Because you won’t be able to protect your privacy, or location or the identities of your most closest family 👈👈👈

Don’t be fooled by what these people want. They want data and they want to sell it. They are ultra rightwing Qtard type of parasites.
 
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gaximus said:
Exactly, Walmart and Target are doing the exact same thing, They control where they put items in their stores and it needs to stop. I have to walk all the way to the back of the store to get milk, a product that they know most everyone needs, then I have to walk past all the other products in their store just to get what I need. It's even worse when it comes to taking kids into the store, All the kid cereals are at eye level with kids. Same thing when my kids open the AppStore on their phones, its all games, and then my kids are like "Can I get this game, Dad?". Its as if these companies build these stores, to make it easier for customers to get stuff, but then they try and make money off of their customers. Its disgusting. /s
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Yes, at Target, we secretly watch all the happy people shopping, and move everything to more difficult locations to give them "discovery time" to enjoy other items on the way, such as storage because we know that they don't need those items at all. /s
 
acalegari said:
The app store mostly gives assurances of quality, security and consistency. It is a sefeguard against dodgy apps infecting the apple ecosystem.

However, bills like that are mostly an apple self inflicted problem where apple tries to squeeze as much money it can out of that. The 30% margin, even for large corps is somewhat abusive and many times it is to the detriment of the consumers. If apple had more comprehensive tiering on their blanket massive slice, less people/oganisations would complain and the ecosystem would more likely be preserved for the benefit of everyone.
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I will agree whole heartedly with the first part, I will completely disagree with the 2nd part because running the "app Store" has got to cost crazy amounts of money....They have to be supporting 100's of Exabytes of server space, which only has a 5-7 year lifespan before it is "end of Lifed" Crazy electric costs, HVAC costs, people to run, maintain, etc. The same applies to Amazon for the AWS Amazon Web Services. I work in Corporate television and our video server with "only 750TB" cost about $95K for each 200TB chassis and they are end of life at 5 ish years. It is getting too expensive to keep doing that so we are going to move it all to the cloud on AWS.
 
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Oh great. A state that no foreign tourist could pin point on a map without even its own Apple Store. Who cares. NEXT

Just give us a choice like on macOS and maybe hide it in some „developers“ menu and 80% of the people that leave everything set to default and are the ones in danger of fraud won’t even enable / know about it anyway but let others have that choice …
 
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