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I just want iOS to be as open as macOS. I don’t understand why so many people think it’s ok that iOS is locked down but that locking down macOS to the same degree would be catastrophic.

So is Apple admitting that they are OK with undermining the privacy, security, safety and performance of their macs?
Apple will lock down macOS in due time, preferably the same degree as iOS or iPadOS. We just need to wait a few more years, likely after Intel transition period.
 
If this went through, Apple would just increase the cost for Developer Tools and re-tool the OS. Consider this, one can go into the software development business for the cost of a computer, and $100/year. After that, the retailer takes a cut of 15-30% every product sold. Included in that cut is most things you need to support your business (payment system, delivery, a platform for marketing, sales metrics et al.). Want to open some other type of business? Look at legal, permitting, rent, inventory, a large number of other upfront fees. All of those expenses are needed before you can even open the doors and try to make money.
 
It does NOT change the fact that Apple has a Monopoly & a Complete & Total Stranglehold on App Discovery !

Ask yourself, why does the Today tab of Apple's App Store App NOT offer filters (i,e., switches) for filtering Off Game Apps AND/OR Apple Arcade ?

So that they can continue to Control the Narrative !

Both Users & App Devs will benefit significantly when that changes !

The ONLY alternative I know of, is for Apple to offer a 2nd App Store, one focused on Adults.
It can’t be a monopoly when they don’t control most of the cell phone market
 
I just want iOS to be as open as macOS. I don’t understand why so many people think it’s ok that iOS is locked down but that locking down macOS to the same degree would be catastrophic.
This has been discussed many times before. macOS and even Windows is not "working perfectly". Malware exists on both platforms. Malware exists on Android too. I do not want to run anti-malware on my phone which I need to be able to call 911 in case of emergencies. I will not put up with a slow phone when I need it most. Also, my phone knows way more about me that any of my computers. All my health and financial data is on my phone. Computer getting malware is not a serious issue compared to my phone getting it. Therefore, how about we treat mobile operating systems differently than desktop operating systems please.
 
I just want iOS to be as open as macOS. I don’t understand why so many people think it’s ok that iOS is locked down but that locking down macOS to the same degree would be catastrophic.
No one has said it would be catastrophic.

Hopefully that clarifies your misunderstanding.
 
I know its been said before. If you get a bad app or malicious app on you macOS device at worse you lose data or photos.

iOS powers phones (and iPads) and for a lot of people it’s their only device they communicate on via voice, no home phone line anymore. So let’s say you download a app not from a store and your out with your kid and the car breaks down or your kid has a seizure and you go to call for help. You hit 911 and send and the phone crashes....you reboot under all this stress and try again and it crashes again. You finally get help and later find out that this app has been causing crashes. You going after the app maker or Apple for letting it be installed on your phone.

this is why it’s locked down in my opinion.
Thank you - at least someone else gets this. I think mobile operating systems need more weight on security than computers.
 
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The public won today, not just Apple.
What do you think Google and Facebook would do if iOS was opened up? Keep using Apple's App Store?
No, of course not. They'd distribute to iOS via a channel that had no oversight on what they did "behind the scenes".
Since no one else is taking a stance on user privacy I'm delighted to see this getting shot down.
 
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I know what they are arguing. But I really don't want a platform where it takes just one click of the hyper-link to have my phone hacked or become a trojan horse in my house, which happens ALL THE TIME on Android. That is the primary reason I don't ever want to use Android.
 
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I know what they are arguing. But I really don't want a platform where it takes just one click of the hyper-link to have my phone hacked or become a trojan horse in my house, which happens ALL THE TIME on Android. That is the primary reason I don't ever want to use Android.
On Android you have to allow unknown sources and go through multiple screens to allow an app to install on your device. I have NEVER had any issues with my Android devices in terms of security, what the **** are you talking about?
 
There is a serious issue in the US where we have lobbyist writing bills. I don’t think that’s what the founding fathers had in mind.

Are you serious? This has always been the way. Lobbyists have had their influence be it political, or financial in everything the past 243 years. It’s not changing. Did you know the new 117th Congress is bringing back Earmarks as Officially Allowed for the first time since 2011? Direct Member Payments are a favorite of powerful lobbyists.

“He who has the gold makes the rules.” It’s not right, but it’s reality.
 
Are you serious? This has always been the way. Lobbyists have had their influence be it political, or financial in everything the past 243 years. It’s not changing. Did you know the new 117th Congress is bringing back Earmarks as Officially Allowed for the first time since 2011? Direct Member Payments are a favorite of powerful lobbyists.

“He who has the gold makes the rules.” It’s not right, but it’s reality.
Unfortunately, not only in the US...
 
I just want iOS to be as open as macOS. I don’t understand why so many people think it’s ok that iOS is locked down but that locking down macOS to the same degree would be catastrophic.
I want the opposite. macOs should be like iOS. Looking at the progression of macOS, seems Apple believes that too.
 
On Android you have to allow unknown sources and go through multiple screens to allow an app to install on your device. I have NEVER had any issues with my Android devices in terms of security, what the **** are you talking about?

The only way to get Fortnite on Android was initially through side loading before Epic relented and put it on the Play Store due to poor sales, piracy and malware…


“It didn't take long for a problem to crop up. Just two days after Fortnite became available on Android, a Google engineer discovered a vulnerability that could let a hacker replace the app with a fake version of the game -- known in cybersecurity circles as a man-in-the-disk attack because it uses openings with external storage like your SD card to install malware.”


Fortnite only became broadly available on Android this week. But on August 3, the day of Sweeney’s announcement, WIRED quickly discovered seven sites advertising themselves as Android Fortnite downloads. Analysis from mobile security company Lookout found that each of those sites distributed malware to anyone who fell for the scam.”


”Epic Games’ decision to publish the Android version of Fortnite outside of the Play Store is a very poor choice for the security of their players. Android devices are already far more susceptible to malware than Apple devices…..

Fortnite trojans reflect a malware trend that Comodo research has observed lately, specifically pertaining to Android. Read more about the rise of Android trojans of all kinds in the latest Comodo Global Threat Report for Q2 2018”



The researchers at Unit 42 found an Android Remote Access Tool (RAT) called SpyNote. This piece of malware has a number of vicious backdoor features, which include the ability to:

  • View all messages
  • Listen in on phone calls
  • Activate a device's camera or mic remotely
  • Track the device via GPS
  • Install APK files on its own and even update the malware
  • Copy files from device to PC
  • Gain access to the IMEI number, Wi-Fi MAC address, and cell phone carrier details
In other words, SpyNote gives the attacker complete access to a user's phone...without needing root access!


”Snowman’s “Alto’s Adventure” caused a stir when it launched on Android Thursday. The downhill skiing game is priced at $2.99 on iPhone, but on Google’s platform it’s free with in-game bonuses available for purchase. Why the price difference? The game’s developers say Android apps are pirated so frequently that charging for downloads has become almost pointless.”









Thank you very much Apple, I am more than happy to pay more to avoid this user experience nightmare.
 
The way it is going, I believe Apple will soon block the slideloading on macOS too.
As present Apple is always suggesting Mac App-Store to the developers and the end-users.
Extremely unlikely especially with HTML5 where you can run a program that doesn't really exist on your computer. Also many developers also have their programs on their own website with the certification from Apple (GraphicConverter is one such example) and preventing the side loading of those programs would put Apple against itself.
 


The North Dakota Senate today voted no on a new bill that would have paved the way for third-party app store options by preventing Apple from requiring developers to use its App Store and in-app purchase methods for apps.

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According to the North Dakota government website, the SB2333 bill failed 11 to 36, which is good news for Apple.


Apple Chief Privacy Engineer Erik Neuenschwander last week spoke out against the bill, saying that it "threatens to destroy the iPhone as you know it" by requiring changes that would "undermine the privacy, security, safety, and performance" of the ‌iPhone‌.

North Dakota Senator Kyle Davison, who introduced the bill, said that it was designed to "level the playing field" for app developers in North Dakota and shield customers from "devastating, monopolistic fees imposed by big tech companies" like Apple and Google.

The bill would have prevented Apple from requiring a developer to use a digital application distribution platform as the exclusive mode of distributing a digital product, and it would have kept the company from requiring developers to use in-app purchases as the exclusive mode of accepting payment from a user.


Lobbyist Lacee Byork Anderson, who was funded by the Coalition for App Fairness drafted the initial legislation. The Coalition for App Fairness is a collaborative organization created by companies like Epic Games, Spotify, Basecamp and Tile to highlight developer issues with Apple.

It was backed by Basecamp co-founder David Heinemeier Hansson, who was embroiled in a legal fight with Apple over email app "HEY" last year. Heinemeier Hansson praised the bill and said that it gave him hope that "tech monopolies aren't going to rule the world forever."

Article Link: North Dakota Senate Shoots Down App Store Bill Apple Said Would 'Destroy the iPhone'
Just shows how easy it is to buy the congress critters...at all levels. Not throwing this at Apple...just wonder if someone had gone to these same 'legislators' concerning schools or gun violence or the homeless...how quickly it would have gotten to the point of actual floor votes being taken? Maybe Epic can write a primer?
 
So the truth comes out! This was written by non-other than an Epic lobbyist. Not some small town, free-enterprise loving North Dakotan developer that they'd have you believe. C'mon Epic, you could have least introduced this bill in CA or MA where you'd at least have a chance to succeed. Just glad this one failed since it was introduced for all the wrong reasons.

Wow. Just wow.
'Wow. Just wow.'...beg to differ: Par.....Just Par. Our system as it is.....
 
The only way to get Fortnite on Android was initially through side loading before Epic relented and put it on the Play Store due to poor sales, piracy and malware…


“It didn't take long for a problem to crop up. Just two days after Fortnite became available on Android, a Google engineer discovered a vulnerability that could let a hacker replace the app with a fake version of the game -- known in cybersecurity circles as a man-in-the-disk attack because it uses openings with external storage like your SD card to install malware.”


Fortnite only became broadly available on Android this week. But on August 3, the day of Sweeney’s announcement, WIRED quickly discovered seven sites advertising themselves as Android Fortnite downloads. Analysis from mobile security company Lookout found that each of those sites distributed malware to anyone who fell for the scam.”


”Epic Games’ decision to publish the Android version of Fortnite outside of the Play Store is a very poor choice for the security of their players. Android devices are already far more susceptible to malware than Apple devices…..

Fortnite trojans reflect a malware trend that Comodo research has observed lately, specifically pertaining to Android. Read more about the rise of Android trojans of all kinds in the latest Comodo Global Threat Report for Q2 2018”



The researchers at Unit 42 found an Android Remote Access Tool (RAT) called SpyNote. This piece of malware has a number of vicious backdoor features, which include the ability to:

  • View all messages
  • Listen in on phone calls
  • Activate a device's camera or mic remotely
  • Track the device via GPS
  • Install APK files on its own and even update the malware
  • Copy files from device to PC
  • Gain access to the IMEI number, Wi-Fi MAC address, and cell phone carrier details
In other words, SpyNote gives the attacker complete access to a user's phone...without needing root access!


”Snowman’s “Alto’s Adventure” caused a stir when it launched on Android Thursday. The downhill skiing game is priced at $2.99 on iPhone, but on Google’s platform it’s free with in-game bonuses available for purchase. Why the price difference? The game’s developers say Android apps are pirated so frequently that charging for downloads has become almost pointless.”









Thank you very much Apple, I am more than happy to pay more to avoid this user experience nightmare.
so don't uncheck allow unknown sources from settings, problem solved

also, got anything more recent than 2018?
 
I'm in full support of Apple locking down their operating system(s) and vetting all apps submitted to their App Store. If someone wants an open OS, that's what the Android OS is for. How good is Android OS? Well, they can't even get their default keyboards right... They're garbage to type on, so just some food for thought for everyone.

Personally I don't have the patience to deal with viruses, low quality apps, and other security holes an open OS offers.

If Apple takes a 30% cut of all purchases through the App Store, that's their choice... It's their phone and their App Store. Developers don't HAVE to create apps for iOS or MacOS. It's funny how businesses constantly rip off their customers, but when they get ripped off by another company, suddenly there's a problem.
 
Apple will lock down macOS in due time, preferably the same degree as iOS or iPadOS. We just need to wait a few more years, likely after Intel transition period.
This is the old slippery slope fallacy with no basis in reality.
 
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I just want iOS to be as open as macOS. I don’t understand why so many people think it’s ok that iOS is locked down but that locking down macOS to the same degree would be catastrophic.
Because it would be. Look at Android it is a mess. Most real developers don’t want this. Side loading does several things. It makes the device more at risk, and will eat into Apple’s resources trying to manage multiple access points into its OS. It is also a support nightmare, problems caused by unvetted apps on the platform causing problems will end up calling Apple for support and their 98% satisfaction rate goes to crap. Then money that should be going to develop our platform and improve tools and features would be siphoned off by an outside source that is still using Apple tech and marketing to profit. The other issue is pirating. It’s hard enough to catch apps when they are going direct through Apple, but side loading will kill many developers that don’t have Owner’s worth 4 Billion Dollars like Epic. Why do you think Google has twice the active users but developers make a fraction of what they make from the Apple platform.
Lady but not least, Apple is a business that makes decisions based on profitability. If the Store become too complicated or not profitable, they will limit investment and it will die on the vine and go the way of ping. They have no fear of killing products or platform.
The other part that makes it senseless is that it is possible to create web apps and be free as a bird. It doesn’t use any of Apple’s resources at all and ironically the go around is Apple sanctioned as it was their original App platform.
 
I know its been said before. If you get a bad app or malicious app on you macOS device at worse you lose data or photos.

iOS powers phones (and iPads) and for a lot of people it’s their only device they communicate on via voice, no home phone line anymore. So let’s say you download a app not from a store and your out with your kid and the car breaks down or your kid has a seizure and you go to call for help. You hit 911 and send and the phone crashes....you reboot under all this stress and try again and it crashes again. You finally get help and later find out that this app has been causing crashes. You going after the app maker or Apple for letting it be installed on your phone.

this is why it’s locked down in my opinion.
That can't happen on iOS because iOS has a sandbox per app for storage and prevents background processes from running.

iOS will also not allow apps to access your cameras and microphones when not running if you're scared about privacy.

Unless people are scared that iOS is full of vulnerabilities that will allow this to happen 😂
 
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I just want iOS to be as open as macOS. I don’t understand why so many people think it’s ok that iOS is locked down but that locking down macOS to the same degree would be catastrophic.
Because it is a phone and not a computer. I don't understand why so many people are okay with Russian hackers being able to hack their phones.
 
If South Dakoda did this then Apple would shut down the app store for South Dakota residence. Which would have almost no effect on Apple Profits.
 
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