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Flawed or not, it should be up to me, the user, to decide if I want to use it, or not.

That's an amusing argument, but it doesn't stand up to scrutiny. Firstly, manufacturers of just about every product make decisions that determine what the product is and how it can be used for what purposes, and the consumer doesn't get to make those choices instead. Why the iPad should be considered any different is a mystery.

As a consumer, you get to make the only real choice, and that is whether to buy or not to buy, based one would hope, on knowing if the product meets your needs or not.

Secondly, whether agreeing with the view or not, Apple's objection to Flash on iOS devices has been described in detail, but there is nothing to prevent Adobe producing a version of the software which met Apple's objections. Adobe haven't done so.

Thirdly, given Apple's desire to control the user experience, their objection to Flash on iOS devices is entirely valid. Users who prefer to control their own user experience have plenty of alternative products to consider in both tablet and cellphone devices, without there being a need to try and make iPad and iPhone platforms conform too.

Fourthly, Flash is old and tired technology in need of replacement. If everyone continues to support it, as they have done up to now, there is no reason for Adobe, or anyone else, to devise and implement newer and better technologies. Whether we like it or not, Apple has, as a technology leader, decided to lead the marketplace away from Flash and toward HTML5. personally I approve of that and hope it succeeds because it is well beyond time someone took the initiative. I realise that view is not universally supported, but then no-one is forcing anyone to buy an Apple iOS device. Nor is anyone preventing Adobe writing a competent version of Flash come to that.

Fifthly, while there remain a number of sites which require Flash, the number is dwindling and is far outnumbered by the sites that simply use Flash to push distracting, bandwidth-wasting, unwanted advertising material. I don't miss that content one bit!

Lets not pretend that omitting flash was a good idea.

It's clearly not a pretense. Just as it is clearly just a matter of personal opinion.
 
I was impressed with mine. I have skype and facebook on my iPad2. And my facebook app uploads pictures from my library. My facetime looks great as well.
 
Its amazing that people buy products knowing full well the "pitfalls" of said product but still piss and moan about it when it doesn't do the stuff they knew it didn't do :confused:
 
Flash is a fatally flawed relic from an earlier era of computer history. Why would anyone want to pollute the safe, secure, and efficient iPad world with its toxic legacy?
Because its still the most robust method of delivering deliver robust interactive sites.

The internet is by now 98.5% "Flash-Free."
Source?

Why would any sane person want to ruin the performance of the iPad
When plugins are set to "on demand" in Android they have zero impact on the performance of the device.

, just so they can watch grainy porn videos and (try to) play crappy games on the 1.5% of sites that are too lazy or stupid to upgrade to a video and animation format appropriate to the modern era?
Those videos aren't grainy. :D Converting an entire video library over to an additional container that offers no drm or theft protection is expensive and extremely time consuming. Lazy and/or stupid has nothing to do with it.

My opinion still stands that people who hate flash are usually happiest interacting with the web via RSS feeds.
 
Because its still the most robust method of delivering deliver robust interactive sites.

To quote from your own post..... Source?

And actually, Flash is the lazy method of delivering interactive sites, used by programmers who prefer not to learn new tricks and better methods. It's a technology that has been widely criticised for years for performance problems, being CPU hungry and for voluminous security flaws. In the absence of a vastly improved version of the software, the fact it was near-ubiquitous at one point doesn't justify continuing to demand web users need to keep using it.
 
Market doesn't speak for quality. It speaks for popularity. If Toyota sells millions of camrys, doesn't mean that it is better than the rest.

You picked a pretty poor example, since the Camry is a great car and sells well because it's a great car, not because everybody has one. Now if you used the example of Windows...
 
That's an amusing argument, but it doesn't stand up to scrutiny. Firstly, manufacturers of just about every product make decisions that determine what the product is and how it can be used for what purposes, and the consumer doesn't get to make those choices instead. Why the iPad should be considered any different is a mystery.

As a consumer, you get to make the only real choice, and that is whether to buy or not to buy, based one would hope, on knowing if the product meets your needs or not.

Secondly, whether agreeing with the view or not, Apple's objection to Flash on iOS devices has been described in detail, but there is nothing to prevent Adobe producing a version of the software which met Apple's objections. Adobe haven't done so.

Thirdly, given Apple's desire to control the user experience, their objection to Flash on iOS devices is entirely valid. Users who prefer to control their own user experience have plenty of alternative products to consider in both tablet and cellphone devices, without there being a need to try and make iPad and iPhone platforms conform too.

Fourthly, Flash is old and tired technology in need of replacement. If everyone continues to support it, as they have done up to now, there is no reason for Adobe, or anyone else, to devise and implement newer and better technologies. Whether we like it or not, Apple has, as a technology leader, decided to lead the marketplace away from Flash and toward HTML5. personally I approve of that and hope it succeeds because it is well beyond time someone took the initiative. I realise that view is not universally supported, but then no-one is forcing anyone to buy an Apple iOS device. Nor is anyone preventing Adobe writing a competent version of Flash come to that.

Fifthly, while there remain a number of sites which require Flash, the number is dwindling and is far outnumbered by the sites that simply use Flash to push distracting, bandwidth-wasting, unwanted advertising material. I don't miss that content one bit!



It's clearly not a pretense. Just as it is clearly just a matter of personal opinion.

Great post.

I agree with you 100%.:)
 
It is exactly the desirre of Apple to CONTROL the users experience, that really actually pisses me off.
I don't need some corporate wanker dictating to me what and how I should eb accessing the Internet.

And again, in Android, it's up to the user to decide to use Flash, or anything else,for at matter.


I don't need daddy Jobs running my life.

I guess some people need that.
 
It is exactly the desirre of Apple to CONTROL the users experience, that really actually pisses me off.
I don't need some corporate wanker dictating to me what and how I should eb accessing the Internet.

And again, in Android, it's up to the user to decide to use Flash, or anything else,for at matter.


I don't need daddy Jobs running my life.

I guess some people need that.

I use an iPad because I do not see a better tablet - care to show me?
 
That's too bad that this won't work out for your dad as I love my iPad2. However, I would say that I'm happy that there are not a bunch of pre-loaded social media apps on the device. I hate that my Android phone comes with all that crap pre-installed. I'd much rather just download what I want, and there are plenty of social media apps that do what you're wanting to do.
 
It is exactly the desirre of Apple to CONTROL the users experience, that really actually pisses me off.
I don't need some corporate wanker dictating to me what and how I should eb accessing the Internet.

And again, in Android, it's up to the user to decide to use Flash, or anything else,for at matter.


I don't need daddy Jobs running my life.

I guess some people need that.

If you don't like the product, then simply don't buy it. Mr. Jobs isn't forcing you to buy the iPad. No need for your little speech.
 
I don't need daddy Jobs running my life.

I guess some people need that.

So what would your post be if someone said, "I don't need..

insert either "Daddy Android" Daddy RIM" etc. here

...running my life by NOT offering me the apps I want with access to my email, calendar, low price, bigger screen, integrated to my music/films/t.v, etc. etc. etc......"

;)
 
It is exactly the desirre of Apple to CONTROL the users experience, that really actually pisses me off.
I don't need some corporate wanker dictating to me what and how I should eb accessing the Internet.

And again, in Android, it's up to the user to decide to use Flash, or anything else,for at matter.


I don't need daddy Jobs running my life.

I guess some people need that.

You're being dictated to every day of your life by a large number of people who have far more control over your choices than anyone at Apple, who simply make the product they want and which quite obviously you don't. You control whether they dictate to you by buying, or not buying. Clearly you'd be a fool to buy something that is for you fundamentally flawed.

Meanwhile, all Apple is doing is dictating what their product does. A wise person would suggest to you that if the product doesn't fit your needs, then you should ignore it and opt for something that does. Fortunately, you have that choice but for some reason seem unable to make it. Instead, you want to dictate to me what my choice of product should do.

Call me stupid, but given a choice between being dictated to by an Apple executive with a long track record of brilliantly designed and implemented technologies that have led the market from in front, or a faceless poster on the internet, I think my choice would have to be pretty obvious.
 
The OP does have a very valid point.
Why doesn't the iPad coMe with all the various social networking apps on it?
In today's market, these should all be considered basic, standard apps, just like a browser.

Of course, the browser that the iPad comes with is *****, so, maybe that's a bad example. :D

So we complain about Bloatware and then we complain we have to do a little work to download what we actually want loaded.

Any tablet would likely face the same satisfaction in the user is older and less tech savvy.

/train wreck
 
A little childish - not least because it was not me who made that claim.

Sorry, cross post confusion. I quoted vrDrew who made that claim. He has yet to back it up with any facts.

I'll answer your question with this... how would you mimic litigationpresentation.com or my site darngooddesign.com exactly without Flash. And don't just say html5 because that's the lazy way out because it doesn't answer anything specifically. You might as well say "the web". Currently there is no equally robust, by robust I mean allowing manipulation of zoom masks, tweens and other flourishes to match what Flash does. Lets not confuse flaws in the software with bad programmers not coding correctly.
 
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Sorry, cross post confusion. I quoted vrDrew who made that claim. He has yet to back it up with any facts.

I'll answer your question with this... how would you mimic litigationpresentation.com or my site darngooddesign.com exactly without Flash. And don't just say html5 because that's the lazy way out because it doesn't answer anything specifically. You might as well say "the web". Currently there is no equally robust, by robust I mean allowing manipulation of zoom masks, tweens and other flourishes to match what Flash does. Lets not confuse flaws in the software with bad programmers not coding correctly.

It doesn't matter how one might replicate specific sites, that's not the point. Nor is it reasonable to set limits on what can or can't be proposed. The fact is that combinations of existing technologies are capable of rendering complex and interactive resources on the web. Whether these can precisely mimic what Flash can do is irrelevant - different tools allow things to be done in different ways.

It's a rather like defining the question so only your one answer is correct - and considering that your own site pushes my CPU load to 25% across both cores, and is sluggish and laggy on an older Mac with a less sophisticated processor suggests that the use of Flash may be a question of form before function.
 
It's a rather like defining the question so only your one answer is correct - and considering that your own site pushes my CPU load to 25% across both cores, and is sluggish and laggy on an older Mac with a less sophisticated processor suggests that the use of Flash may be a question of form before function.

If the same site in flash coded right, that doesn't push say a windows box to run 25% across the board, would you say then it's an Apple problem? Or would you push it right back on Adobe?

In my experience it's an Apple and an Adobe issue. But everyone against flash will never admit Apple has a part in the problem. The evidence is that Windows boxes usually don't break a sweat running on a good (properly coded) flash site.
 
First of all. Android tablets (Xoom, Upcoming Samsung, Asus) aren't cheaper than iPad. Well the Asus is maybe $50 cheaper than iPad. But the real tablet competitors to iPad aren't cheap even the playbook sells at exact price as iPad buts it's smaller screen.

If OP wants flash, try using the Xoom or playbook with popular sites like hulu and Netflix. I heard Netflix and Hulu work very well on Android and Rim tablets (not).

There isn't even Netflix app option on Xoom or any android device.

As other said. Just return device. No restocking fee.
 
Hey OP, thanks for the great post. Go buy a crapper android device and then you will want an iPad. Yawn.
 
The OP does have a very valid point.
Why doesn't the iPad coMe with all the various social networking apps on it?
In today's market, these should all be considered basic, standard apps, just like a browser.

Of course, the browser that the iPad comes with is *****, so, maybe that's a bad example. :D

Cool post bro. Did you have a point? Couldn't get past all your errors to figure out what you tried to say.
 
The OP does have a very valid point.
Why doesn't the iPad coMe with all the various social networking apps on it?
In today's market, these should all be considered basic, standard apps, just like a browser.

Of course, the browser that the iPad comes with is *****, so, maybe that's a bad example. :D

Whats going to happen when Facebook and Twitter end up like MySpace where nobody uses them. I sure people are going to be happy they're on their devices.:rolleyes:

Theres a reason theres the Appstore.
 
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